Board 8 > League of Legends Topic 38 - "Did you fall down and go boom?"

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Tirofog
03/21/12 2:20:00 PM
#151:


Just won a ranked game as support Singed... gotta love that 1100 ELO.

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TheConductorSix
03/21/12 5:20:00 PM
#152:


Until you reach Red and FD level I would never support with anyone who couldn't kill and carry.

And yeah Mundo works for that too FD. What you must understand about low level Junglers is that they have the biggest hard ons for kills and they always start blue and usually have bad runes for the job.

I think the best way to carry low levels/Eli is with manaless Junglers like Mundo Shyv and Lee. They're fast, can donate blue and ensure your mid wins mid, they farm well and transition well, and they can keep the enemy jungler completely under leveled.

Don't be afraid to buy wards and plCe them top if you see that guy not warding. You can literally save every lane from itself.

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Peace___Frog
03/21/12 5:29:00 PM
#153:


the only problem is when your mid then donates the blue to the enemy mid >_<


but then you just do an uber gank mid later and try to get your mid their blue back, I guess

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Biolizard28
03/21/12 6:25:00 PM
#154:


I've decided that my next champion purchase is going to be Corki.

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TheConductorSix
03/21/12 7:42:00 PM
#155:


When my mid loses blue without being ganked I

A. Never donate blue again until team fights

B.Camp mid and take it back.

Like I legitimately endorse every player leveling up to 30 to buy Mundo. He can start anywhere and isnt blue dependent so even if you get invaded or die early it doesn't hurt you. He's incredibly fast and once he hits level 6 you never need to go back unless it's to shop.

With exhaust you can gank any lane and you can build straight tank and never need to worry about positioning.

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SpikeDragon
03/21/12 8:28:00 PM
#156:


I usually try playing games for fun, but Jesus Christ. I don't think I've ever been so pissed at a game in my life. Probably because I was doing so well top (was 10/0/6 in a 2v1 top). We're ahead 24 kills to 11, destroyed 6 turrets to the enemy's 1, and basically had the game sealed. They stealth baron because our dumbass Taric decided not to ward it, which is fine. But the rest of the team is so cocky (which they shouldn't have been because I was carrying the **** out of the team) that they decide to SPLIT UP in the enemy jungle, thinking they are supermen or something that can just gank them even though they have baron. The team wasn't even a bunch of randoms. I was playing with 2 of my hallmates, and I was telling one of them not to go through the jungle because he was going to get ****ing caught, and sure enough, he's the first one to get caught. He dies, the other three go in to try to save him even though he's already dead, and they end up getting all 4 of them, leaving me to defend them by myself. They push up mid, taking ALL of the turrets (none of them were even down), as well as the mid inhibitor. From then on, Taric starts blaming me for throwing the game because I wasn't "with them" in the jungle, and tells the enemy team to report ME for throwing the game, even though I was the reason we were going to win it. What an atrociously stupid loss that shouldn't have happened. At least my hallmates know they ****ed that game up. -___-

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TheConductorSix
03/21/12 8:41:00 PM
#157:


FD mentioned this the other day:

The biggest failure everyone makes from high Elo to low Elo is getting confident when you're up. They think they are untouchable and dont understand that once turrets drop teams that are down will be desperately roam ganking and picking you off.

I've had teams ahead by 5 kills because we scraped by team fights losing 3 people and killing 4. And yet they dont realize were only winning because we have a better team comp and took objectives.

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Justin_Crossing
03/21/12 8:52:00 PM
#158:


i just lost a game

where i was 11/5/10 as wukong

i had 487 farm

and dealt 470k damage total that game

we were up by 25 kills

and we lost

oh my god i can't take the teams i get

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Forceful_Dragon
03/21/12 9:57:00 PM
#159:


From: TheConductorSix | #157
FD mentioned this the other day:

The biggest failure everyone makes from high Elo to low Elo is getting confident when you're up. They think they are untouchable and dont understand that once turrets drop teams that are down will be desperately roam ganking and picking you off.

I've had teams ahead by 5 kills because we scraped by team fights losing 3 people and killing 4. And yet they dont realize were only winning because we have a better team comp and took objectives.




100% this. Here is my entire rant from that night, lol:


From: Forceful_Dragon | Topic 36, Post 272
I hate feeling like I'm starting to tilt. It is not a fun feeling.

Especially because I play just as well the next game, and the next game and the next game so I know that despite the anguish I'm bringing my A (or at least my B+ game) to bear.

It just depresses me to play so well and lose.


Sometimes I think bad allies just get overconfident. I think that they dont realize how much work is being put into these early kills. They are well designed and executed and sometimes they are very near things. Kills that almost did not happen otherwise. But the bad allies see the kills and think "oh good, we're winning our opponents must be bad". And then that is in their head. An assumption that has no business being there, but it is there just the same. And so the game progresses. I stay on top of buffs, I stay on top of dragons, I make sure our economic advantage is as tight as we can keep it into the mid game. And they think to themselves "yup, there is no way we can possibly lose this game". And so with that shortsighted attitude in their tiny brains they approach the rest of the game casually. Being in exactly the right positioning isn't a big enough deal to be worth the extra effort. Small mistakes get made. Small mistakes spiral into medium sized losses, which progress into a very fast evening of the tides.

BECAUSE GUESS WHAT OUR OPPONENTS ARE NOT TERRIBLE. AS IT TURNS OUT WE WERE ACTUALLY BUSTING OUR ASSES TO DO WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO TO GET THOSE EARLY ADVANTAGES. AND YOU IN ALL YOUR INFINITE WISDOM FOUND A WAY TO SQUANDER THE FRUITS OF OUR LABOR. I SALUTE YOUR ABILITY TO CAPITALIZE ON EVERY OPPORTUNITY NEEDED TO THROW AWAY THE GAME WE SPENT 20 MINUTES BUILDING IN OUR FAVOR.



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I feel better now ^_^





But it just boils down to people not realizing how close a game is just because they are winning. You can call it cockiness if you want, but it is really more indicative of a lack of understanding about the game.

Sometimes even winning a fight as easily as 5-1 does not indicate you are stomping them.

Maybe in that fight someone on your opponents team really screwed up. You can't assume they will do it again.
Or maybe your 4 survivors all had less than 10% HP.

There are so many factors to consider and the score being 10 in your favor doesn't necessarily mean anything.

There are some games where you ARE so far ahead and ti WOULD be almost impossible to lose. Maybe your team is up 10 kills AND 3 dragons AND 2 towers AND there key players are underleveled. The key is knowing the difference between two games when the score is the same.

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Forceful_Dragon
03/21/12 10:08:00 PM
#160:


Red/FD DuoQ Time:
http://www.twitch.tv/red13n

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Forceful_Dragon
03/21/12 10:57:00 PM
#161:


0-1 after game 1. Team QQ'd at me so hard all game.

Every time I was incoming to gank something would occur to make my gank impossible. If I was going top LS would kill J4 while I'm on my way. If it was bottom they would push to tower. The obviously turns into "how come our jungler NEVER ganks". people were /ignored that game -_-''

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Forceful_Dragon
03/22/12 12:28:00 AM
#162:


0-3

allies complained without cause all game. -37 elo to make up for the +39 elo yestereday.

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AfroSquirrel
03/22/12 12:51:00 AM
#163:


Just wound up as a jungle for the first time due to all other roles being taken. Team was understanding of my poor performance, but I guess I should still get this thing figured out.

I know about smite and leashing, as well as cloth + 5 hpots. I also know to start at blue, but where do I go from there? Is there a generally accepted loop?

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HanOfTheNekos
03/22/12 1:49:00 AM
#164:


AfroSquirrel posted...
Just wound up as a jungle for the first time due to all other roles being taken. Team was understanding of my poor performance, but I guess I should still get this thing figured out.

I know about smite and leashing, as well as cloth + 5 hpots. I also know to start at blue, but where do I go from there? Is there a generally accepted loop?


It's not that complex. If you start blue, then just go camp by camp downwards. Might need to skip red if you go so fast that you won't have smite for it (if you take enough damage for that to matter).

The real skill in jungling is about knowing when to be in your jungle farming and when to be ganking. If you could just go gank-gank-gank, then things would be perfect, but that is almost never the case.

Also, not every champion starts at blue. Champs like Lee Sin and Riven who do not have mana can get better use out of red buff first.

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Daranix
03/22/12 1:53:00 AM
#165:


Blue->Wolves->Wraiths->Red->Golems

You can usually start at wolves if you have good team support (or are Mundo/Shyvana/Udyr) before blue pops. Can gank at 2 or 4 depending on champion.

Champions with built in sustain or superspeed do not need armor+pots to jungle, especially with a good leash. Can go like boots+pots or armor+pots+ward.

Buy armor yellows if you haven't already.

Edit:Forgot to mention, manaless champions should do wraiths->red->gank. You should be level 2 while they are level 1, gives you a big advantage.

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Silver_Ermine
03/22/12 2:06:00 AM
#166:


Played a normal with my friend as Fizz and after the game our Garen says.

Baudolino818: r u a pro gammer?

:3

34-3-4

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SythaWarrior
03/22/12 2:31:00 AM
#167:


Not sure who you played.

But Wolves>Blue>Wraiths>Wolves>Red>Wraiths will hit level 4 for most mana hungry junglers.
Wraiths>Red>Wolves>Wraiths>Blue>Wolves also works for level 4.

MiniGolems often do too much damage for my tastes and if your blue side the bot lane will take them at the start anyway.

Wraiths>Red>Gank is also popular.

If you do go with the small camp before the buff camp you have to hit it first and take the damage then get a leash on the buff camp. The reasons will be obvious (Having to chase the minicamp takes too much time.)

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masterplum
03/22/12 8:16:00 AM
#168:


and this is why I play LoL

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Disregard my item build a bit. I wasn't quite sure what to build after PD

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masterplum
03/22/12 8:18:00 AM
#169:


Kennen is easily my new favourite champion btw. I am really excited to get better at using him

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Gwindor
03/22/12 8:24:00 AM
#170:


Ah, I remember being low enough level that I could just **** around on TT. Good times.

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AfroSquirrel
03/22/12 9:07:00 AM
#171:


Thanks for the advice. I was Fiora, since she was my only champ remotely resembling a jungler. I took W first for the attack boost, then E and bought a vamp scepter and shoes. By the time I got Wriggles together, though, I was pretty far behind.

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Biolizard28
03/22/12 10:51:00 AM
#172:


Guys

When you're losing

And you take out three members of the enemy team

And they're still dead

And you push to a tower

And your support runs the hell away and spams retreat pings like nobody's business

Is it appropriate to call them retarded?

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Forceful_Dragon
03/22/12 2:42:00 PM
#173:


maybe appropriate but not good in terms of keeping the team together?

Shelving the things you want to say in favor of preventing allied raging is usually good.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/22/12 2:44:00 PM
#174:


Biolizard28 posted...
Guys

When you're losing

And you take out three members of the enemy team

And they're still dead

And you push to a tower

And your support runs the hell away and spams retreat pings like nobody's business

Is it appropriate to call them retarded?



Depends.

What is your champion, your support's champion, and what are the two enemy champions that are still alive?

And how farmed are they in comparison to you and your support?

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Biolizard28
03/22/12 3:02:00 PM
#175:


From: HanOfTheNekos | #174
Depends.

What is your champion, your support's champion, and what are the two enemy champions that are still alive?

And how farmed are they in comparison to you and your support?


I was Corki, he was Taric.

Ezreal was top, and Teemo was defending bot alone.

I had TF and half an IE complete, Teemo was just building his on hit garbage. I was equal in farm to both of them, relatively.

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Biolizard28
03/22/12 3:04:00 PM
#176:


And for the record, I didn't actually say it. All I said was "we could have had a tower. Oh well."

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masterplum
03/22/12 3:22:00 PM
#177:


The more I play Kennen the more I like him.

If he gets nerfed suddenly I am going to cry manly tears

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SpeedYoshi
03/22/12 3:39:00 PM
#178:


I remember playing games where we'd ace them, then half my team would b immediately instead of push, when we had 20-30 seconds before any of them would spawn

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KommunistKoala
03/22/12 3:47:00 PM
#179:


From: masterplum | #857
The more I play Kennen the more I like him.

If he gets nerfed suddenly I am going to cry manly tears


I wouldn't worry too much about it

He's been op for decades and riot hasn't noticed. Sort of like Rumble but 10 times worse.

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Luis_Sera89
03/22/12 5:22:00 PM
#180:


Man, got my first ever pentakill. As Fiora. Got a quadra earlier in the same match too!

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VincentLauw
03/22/12 5:26:00 PM
#181:


Luis_Sera89 posted...
Man, got my first ever pentakill. As Fiora. Got a quadra earlier in the same match too!

dat ult

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Luis_Sera89
03/22/12 5:30:00 PM
#182:


They'd been chasing our Sona and just gotten out of a minor skirmish where no-one died, then four of them decided to hide in a bush with around a quarter health each. We're talking Christmas, Birthday and New Year's Eve all rolled into one here. Then Trist came late to the party and I lunged at her. Bingo.

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Gwindor
03/22/12 5:58:00 PM
#183:


I think I finally figured out the new jungle? Maybe. You have to counter hard, and you have to get kills. If you fail to do either of those things, you will fall behind.

Also: this means that one of the junglers will be way ahead, and the other will be out of the game. I really hate the new jungle.

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Forceful_Dragon
03/22/12 7:08:00 PM
#184:


Red/FD Evening DuoQ starts now:
http://www.twitch.tv/red13n

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Forceful_Dragon
03/22/12 8:33:00 PM
#185:


Red/FD 2-0 tonight so far.

we even got 1/2 pick our first game. Been pretty good so far.

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AfroSquirrel
03/22/12 8:37:00 PM
#186:


I just had a silly AP Soraka game on Twisted Treeline. At 550AP, I was able to outlast the enemy Yi and Garen, but eventually their Teemo realized he could poison me and they won. Still, a 500 dmg/hit Starcall every second and a half is a wonderful thing~

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Aecioo
03/22/12 8:47:00 PM
#187:


I just had Fake Justin completely THROW A GAME

by picking Lulu

nah brah just kidding

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Biolizard28
03/22/12 8:48:00 PM
#188:


Picking Lulu is how you win games.

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AfroSquirrel
03/22/12 8:54:00 PM
#189:


Can you have multiples of the same character on a team in custom games? Because a team with all Lulus would be so very shiny.

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Forceful_Dragon
03/22/12 9:15:00 PM
#190:


Win ~ Udyr ~ 2-3-4 (2.00) [+13] 1736 [12]
Win ~ Warwick ~ 6-5-14 (4.00) [+13] 1749 [45]
Win ~ Maokai ~ 3-4-8 (2.75) [+6] 1755 [24]

3-0 so far tonight, only got half credit for game 3 though. Button got pressed.


Edit, so we're waiting for ranked Qs to get re-enamed. Red and I are going to play Wc3 in the meanwhile. So join the stream for some 1v1 Wc3 action?

http://www.twitch.tv/red13n


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Forceful_Dragon
03/22/12 9:45:00 PM
#191:


aww yeah FD > red game 1

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Forceful_Dragon
03/22/12 10:28:00 PM
#192:


Wc3 and Uther Party is over, back to Duo Q (we think)

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Forceful_Dragon
03/22/12 11:35:00 PM
#193:


Q's are back up.

Red/FD DuoQ Time:
http://www.twitch.tv/red13n

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gAnonGE007
03/22/12 11:37:00 PM
#194:


pathetic game

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Forceful_Dragon
03/22/12 11:37:00 PM
#195:


From: gAnonGE007 | #194
pathetic game


clarify?

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Gwindor
03/23/12 12:18:00 AM
#196:


He's a 28 karma troll alt?

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Forceful_Dragon
03/23/12 1:40:00 AM
#197:


Win ~ Udyr ~ 2-3-4 (2.00) [+13] 1736 [12]
Win ~ Warwick ~ 6-5-14 (4.00) [+13] 1749 [45]
Win ~ Maokai ~ 3-4-8 (2.75) [+6] 1755 [24]
Loss ~ Skarner ~ 2-12-7 (0.75) [-12] 1743 [35]
Loss ~ Teemo ~ 0-6-2 (0.33) [-12] 1731 [45]
Win ~ Maokai ~ 3-5-10 (2.60) [+13] 1744 [45]

+21 ELO thanks to elo forgiveness on our 3rd win. Could have been better, could have been worse.

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masterplum
03/23/12 11:58:00 AM
#198:


From: Forceful_Dragon | #190

3-0 so far tonight, only got half credit for game 3 though. Button got pressed.


What does this mean

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TheConductorSix
03/23/12 11:58:00 AM
#199:


1. Jungle Soraka is the most fun thing ever and I can never go hack to another jungle. I don't even have the right runes. I'm starting with a Dorans ring for giggles.

I get blue and then just go looking to pick fights with the enemy jungler.

2. Finally someone acknowledged how retarded Lulu's kit is. Doublelift told Chauster flat out "that ult and polymorph combined are just broken. You can just completely turn any engage into a winning trade."

It's true. The health bonus Is bad enough but that AOE slow is just a joke. You get polymorphed and are chain slowed by a giant AD carry with silly amounts of health. She hits 6 and unless they're down a massive amount they win lane.

Expect alot of Lulu soon.

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Biolizard28
03/23/12 12:00:00 PM
#200:


Lulu is simply too good at everything a support should be good at.

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