Board 8 > Cross Assault Disc. 2 [Street Fighter X Tekken] [staged] [live stream]

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WazzupGenius00
02/27/12 10:34:00 PM
#151:


Yeah, it has always cost money to attend an MLG event in person so that's nothing new. Even many FGC tournaments have a venue fee for spectators so it's not a big deal

Also, the "$20 everyone was saying" was not even for Winter Championship, it was for Winter Arena, which was this past weekend. Pretty sure Winter Championship stream is free to watch unless you want HD

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WazzupGenius00
02/28/12 11:30:00 AM
#152:


Cool format for today, I had a feeling they'd have to play against coaches in the end.

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Biolizard28
02/28/12 11:39:00 AM
#153:


http://www.destructoid.com/sexual-harassment-and-esports-drama-together-at-last--222877.phtml

F*** Jim Sterling.

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PrivateBiscuit1
02/28/12 11:54:00 AM
#154:


I don't believe that she really talked to Aris about it or talked to Capcom about it.

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WazzupGenius00
02/28/12 12:14:00 PM
#155:


From: Biolizard28 | #153
http://www.destructoid.com/sexual-harassment-and-esports-drama-together-at-last--222877.phtml

F*** Jim Sterling.


called it!

giant bomb has a much better article on it http://www.giantbomb.com/news/when-passions-flare-lines-are-crossed/4006/

though even their article has no direct sources, it's all just "look at what some people said/did" without getting any direct info from anyone involved

also I like how both fail to recognize that literally nobody likes Jared Rea besides esports people

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Forceful_Dragon
02/28/12 2:07:00 PM
#156:


“My point is is where I’m from, in our arcade, our line may be different than yours,” responded Bakhtanians, “but the point is that fighting games are never gonna be the same as StarCraft, it’s never gonna be the same. You can’t turn basketball into baseball, no matter what you do."

Aris is an idiot.

Sexual harassment does not have to be an intrinsic part of any community.

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WazzupGenius00
02/28/12 2:23:00 PM
#157:


lol now Penny Arcade report jumping on the bandwagon, with an article that is stunningly even worse. Which is a shame because so far it had seemed to be a better publication than Dtoid, Kotaku, etc.

http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/sexual-harassment-as-ethical-imperative-the-ugly-side-of-fighting-games

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Forceful_Dragon
02/28/12 2:30:00 PM
#158:


"Someone brings up an instance of someone yelling the world "b****” over and over as a female player competed, and then screamed for her rape when she lost. “What is unacceptable about that?"


Ehhh, this was completely out of context. The example being referenced was when a female character (phoenix) was being played. Not when it was a female at the controls. It should NOT, mind you, be acceptable to scream "Rape the B****!" during a match, but they could at least portray the example properly.

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PrivateBiscuit1
02/28/12 2:30:00 PM
#159:


"We never watched this show before.

BUT NOW THAT IT IS CONTROVERSIAL WE HAVE AN OPINION ON IT!"

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WazzupGenius00
02/28/12 2:38:00 PM
#160:


yeah Kuchera's been called out on that directly on twitter so he'll probably edit that

but if you don't even know the game well enough to know its characters you definitely don't know the community well enough to write an article about it without getting direct sources instead of f***ing FORUM POSTS.

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Biolizard28
02/28/12 2:59:00 PM
#161:


From: Forceful_Dragon | #156
Aris is an idiot.

Sexual harassment does not have to be an intrinsic part of any community.


I understand his point, but his all-or-nothing approach to the arcade rat mentality is more harmful than it ever was good.

The community is very big on tradition, and 50% of the reason we don't want to jump right into the lap of esports (The other 50% being the shaky foundation of esports as a whole) is because it means taking away a lot of the soul of fighting games, be it toning the hype down or making it more about the paper than it is about the playing. But there's room for compromise. You can be the class clown without being an ignoramus. You can get hype without having to drop and F-bomb every second. (We do it at Evo every year for four or five different majors) I couldn't give less of a crap about esports, but if this is the direction the community wants to go in, we need less people like Aris trying to split the community down the middle.

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WazzupGenius00
02/28/12 3:06:00 PM
#162:


You can honestly view Aris and Jared as two different, equally stupid extremes

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Forceful_Dragon
02/28/12 3:09:00 PM
#163:


I don't think the eSports is necessarily lacking in hype.


I stayed up until 2 AM to watch Flash and Jaedong play in the finals of a MSL a couple years ago live on stream. It was pretty ****ing hype. You can distill the scene to be almost completely about the game and STILL be excited to see the best players in the world compete.

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PrivateBiscuit1
02/28/12 4:44:00 PM
#164:


So, uh... if these guys have been playing nonstop for the past week for pretty much their entire day, why have a lot of them not progressed at all?

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Biolizard28
02/28/12 4:47:00 PM
#165:


From: PrivateBiscuit1 | #164
So, uh... if these guys have been playing nonstop for the past week for pretty much their entire day, why have a lot of them not progressed at all?


Personal skill ceilings, self-limiters, (IE: Miranda's doom-saying) but probably not a lot of time of OTHER people demonstrating anything more than typical day one technology.

If you didn't think it would be all shotos and grapplers to start in a normal environment, you're insane.

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TheArkOfTurus
02/28/12 5:03:00 PM
#166:


Convoluted finals with talk of match fixing starting up now/soon on the main stream!

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Blairville
02/28/12 5:10:00 PM
#167:


Steve isn't playing confident at all. His uncle may be a part of that.

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Biolizard28
02/28/12 5:11:00 PM
#168:


He's not in danger of elimination anyway, though, right?

So he can afford to choke it up.

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Blairville
02/28/12 5:28:00 PM
#169:


This is hard to watch.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
02/28/12 5:31:00 PM
#170:


I dunno what the hell Capcom was thinking bringing Aris in

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Blairville
02/28/12 5:36:00 PM
#171:


Dr. Sub Zero needs to use more standing attacks with Hugo. It seems like it can easily stop the beginning of a jump.

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Tehmoosey1
02/28/12 5:38:00 PM
#172:


From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #170
I dunno what the hell Capcom was thinking bringing Aris in


They probably thought he'd bring drama and comic relief. Perfect for a reality show, on paper.

They simply didn't realize what kind of drama he would bring.

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WazzupGenius00
02/28/12 5:42:00 PM
#173:


I'm starting to see reactions from a lot of people outside the community who have read the articles now.

It's gonna be hard for this community, because it's not like anyone is gonna cut Aris off because of this, but when other people see that the community forgives/ignores/gets over/forgets what he did and still includes him, they're gonna give them s*** about it and think it means FGC encourages sexism or some bullcrap

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Blairville
02/28/12 5:49:00 PM
#174:


Was it confirmed that Miranda told him to f*** off, but he kept doing it anyway?

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Biolizard28
02/28/12 5:50:00 PM
#175:


From: WazzupGenius00 | #173
I'm starting to see reactions from a lot of people outside the community who have read the articles now.

It's gonna be hard for this community, because it's not like anyone is gonna cut Aris off because of this, but when other people see that the community forgives/ignores/gets over/forgets what he did and still includes him, they're gonna give them s*** about it and think it means FGC encourages sexism or some bullcrap


The only issue here is that s*** got out of hand and now we've got people who didn't even know the FGC was even a thing commenting on the state of things. I'll be the first person to note that Aris f***ed up, but that's where it begins and ends. The only problem is that Aris is somehow put on a pedestal to be a representative of our community, but nobody actually believes that on the inside. I'm not saying we don't have issues with sexism in the community, or that we seriously need to change our attitude towards certain things, but we're not as far off as Destructoid or Giant Bomb think we are.

And frankly, Miranda had a lot more reasons to quit aside from Aris. We all know that.

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Biolizard28
02/28/12 5:51:00 PM
#176:


From: Blairville | #174
Was it confirmed that Miranda told him to f*** off, but he kept doing it anyway?


His speech about sexism being a part of the community is legit.

Must anything else be said?

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WazzupGenius00
02/28/12 5:53:00 PM
#177:


She said on twitter that she "had one-on-one conversations" with him about it and "he didn't give a s***" so unless you think she would lie about this and then give up a chance at 25k over a lie, then it's confirmed. Spooky also said on stream that Capcom talked to him but I didn't catch whether he said what day they talked to him.

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Blairville
02/28/12 6:26:00 PM
#178:


Oh boy, Aris is up, I wonder what stream chat is like.

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blindhobo13
02/28/12 6:27:00 PM
#179:


30 min wtf

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Blairville
02/28/12 6:30:00 PM
#180:


...I'll be back later.

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blindhobo13
02/28/12 6:35:00 PM
#181:


This is like the worst rule of this show ever.

I'm not watching an hour of Aris getting bodied.

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red13n
02/28/12 6:57:00 PM
#182:


Renic adjusted to Aris so fast and just exploded him.

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blindhobo13
02/28/12 7:00:00 PM
#183:


But Aris sucks at the game. He's admitted this himself. =/

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red13n
02/28/12 7:01:00 PM
#184:


yeah, this challenge should have been set up earlier so we could see both coaches play.

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Blairville
02/28/12 7:36:00 PM
#185:


Steve isn't doing anything about anti-air.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
02/28/12 7:41:00 PM
#186:


Steeeeeeeeve D=

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WazzupGenius00
02/28/12 7:42:00 PM
#187:


All SF players in the final.

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Biolizard28
02/28/12 7:42:00 PM
#188:


From: WazzupGenius00 | #187
All SF players in the final.


Is #Staged a meme or a warning?

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Shoenin_Kakashi
02/28/12 7:45:00 PM
#189:


missed the last hour or so

who's the top 4, and its not surprising in the least the top 4 are all SF players

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blindhobo13
02/28/12 7:46:00 PM
#190:


Steve was the only one (besides KOR) using Tekken characters too. ;_;

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Blairville
02/28/12 7:47:00 PM
#191:


NerdJosh
Renic
TFA Hornett
Dr. Sub Zero

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Biolizard28
02/28/12 7:47:00 PM
#192:


From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #189
missed the last hour or so

who's the top 4, and its not surprising in the least the top 4 are all SF players


Dr. Sub-Zero
Renic
Nerd Josh
Hornett


It's really s***ty how this whole deal was organized, to be honest. Should have kept it honest. 2 v 2 from each side.

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WazzupGenius00
02/28/12 7:51:00 PM
#193:


Anyone complaining that it should have been 2v2 better not have also been complaining before that pandora elimination was unfair.

Either opinion on its own is acceptable to me because I can understand both sides, but you can't have both because they're incompatible.

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Biolizard28
02/28/12 7:58:00 PM
#194:


From: WazzupGenius00 | #193
Anyone complaining that it should have been 2v2 better not have also been complaining before that pandora elimination was unfair.

Either opinion on its own is acceptable to me because I can understand both sides, but you can't have both because they're incompatible.


I thought in the context of the show and what I thought the ultimate goal was, it was extremely fair.

It's like the last two days were just a mess of stupid convoluted crap to get all of Team SF in the finals.

I don't understand why the show completely shifted its focus in the last two days for no reason.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
02/28/12 8:03:00 PM
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WazzupGenius00
02/28/12 8:08:00 PM
#196:


I mean, the Tekken people who got "replaced" could have, you know . . . won their elimination matches?

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Shoenin_Kakashi
02/28/12 8:09:00 PM
#197:


Hornett is top 4?

how the hell did that happen

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red13n
02/28/12 8:18:00 PM
#198:


how the hell did that happen

Team Tekken really sucked.

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Oranejo
02/28/12 8:47:00 PM
#199:


What an anti-climatic way to end the show.

It's crazy how much drama this show has created, but at the end of the day it did its job. I am actually thinking about getting this game now.

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WazzupGenius00
02/28/12 9:43:00 PM
#200:


bump for new page

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