Board 8 > So Excadrill got banned? [Pokemon]

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mnkboy907
02/23/12 9:38:00 PM
#51:


They have their own server(s?) and they allow DW abilities.

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GaryOak151
02/23/12 11:03:00 PM
#52:


bidoof is banned in every tier if it has the moody ability

including ubers

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GenesisTwilight
02/23/12 11:16:00 PM
#53:


You know how the entire metagame can be fixed?

Ban perma-weather. It's that easy.

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Achromatic
02/23/12 11:19:00 PM
#54:


As a great friend of the Smogon co-founder.

I am so sorry, and he is too <_<.

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Mewtwo59
02/24/12 12:23:00 AM
#55:


Aren't Pokemon Online's tiers the same as Smogon's, except one or two things that are OU in Smogon aren't in PO? I'm pretty sure PO banned Excadrill too.

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mnkboy907
02/24/12 1:47:00 AM
#56:


I know the last time I paid any attention, they had different ban lists. That could've changed by now.

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Mewtwo59
02/24/12 2:02:00 AM
#57:


http://wiki.pokemon-online.eu/view/5th_Gen_Tier_List

Wifi's banlist is the same as Smogon's. OU is the same as Smogon's except a few Pokemon are missing. The banlists for the lower tiers are different from what they are on Smogon.

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Emporer_Kazbar
02/24/12 4:49:00 AM
#58:


From: GaryOak151 | #052
bidoof is banned in every tier if it has the moody ability

including ubers


I can't find it now, but there was a transcript last summer I read where a Moody Bidoof swept an entire OU team thanks to Moody evasion boosts.

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Biolizard28
02/24/12 4:57:00 AM
#59:


As much as I hate Smogon for their practices lately, I agree that Black/White created a metagame where it's hard to just deal with the multitude of hilariously overpowered tactics. What I never understood was why Smogon thought it necessary to ban infinite Sun/Rain but didn't have a problem fighting to keep Sandstream alive. The obvious answer is because it cut as many losses as possible. But there are undertones of favoritism. Sand has been a big part of the game for the better part of a decade.

But I do think Smogon's endless bans are ridiculous. I knew they were going down the slippery slope with their shaky (at best) logic for banning Salamence in the final months of Gen IV. When simply being a presence was grounds for a ban.

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Pram_the_Oracle
02/24/12 4:58:00 AM
#60:


http://www.smogon.com/bw/abilities/moody

heh

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XIII_rocks
02/24/12 6:30:00 AM
#61:


Oh yeah moody is flatout ridiculous. Don't think anyone has a problem seeing that gone. Though in ubers, too? Wow

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/24/12 6:40:00 AM
#62:


This is my first time hearing about Moody.

I now want to see a team built around it, because that s*** is hilarious.

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LazyKenny
02/24/12 7:07:00 AM
#63:


I never even knew that Blaziken became the first starter to ever be banned.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
02/24/12 7:57:00 AM
#64:


Fire Chicken is banned because All it has to do is SD/Protect once and it's starts a rampage.

Yeah, Drill's been banned for awhile, which I think is stupid since some pokes still laugh at him in the sand.







All Im happy about is Ala-Mother ****ING-Kazam is back to being the OU chieftain he was!

Also when the hell was Sun/Rain Banned?

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Pram_the_Oracle
02/24/12 8:00:00 AM
#65:


Sun was banned?

All I remember is Drizzle + Swift Swim

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charmander6000
02/24/12 8:07:00 AM
#66:


Oh yeah moody is flatout ridiculous. Don't think anyone has a problem seeing that gone. Though in ubers, too? Wow

It's essentially a double team, especially when you are up against someone that knows what they are doing. If the ability didn't have the evasion boost I don't think we would have much of a problem with it.

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GranzonEx
02/24/12 8:08:00 AM
#67:


Drizzle is usually only on Kyogre, and he is in Uber. I haven't really bothered using the other Drizzlers because with Tyranitar around there is really no reason to use other weather.

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XIII_rocks
02/24/12 8:22:00 AM
#68:



All Im happy about is Ala-Mother ****ING-Kazam is back to being the OU chieftain he was!


He is? That's awesome

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Pram_the_Oracle
02/24/12 8:28:00 AM
#69:


Apparently perma-doubled speed for everybody thanks to the weakass Politoed wreaked havoc early on. Or something.

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mnkboy907
02/24/12 9:59:00 AM
#70:


Yep, DrizzleToad + Swift Swim Kingdra or Kabutops hit like hell.

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blindhobo13
02/24/12 10:11:00 AM
#71:


From: Biolizard28 | #059
What I never understood was why Smogon thought it necessary to ban infinite Sun/Rain but didn't have a problem fighting to keep Sandstream alive. The obvious answer is because it cut as many losses as possible. But there are undertones of favoritism. Sand has been a big part of the game for the better part of a decade.

But I do think Smogon's endless bans are ridiculous. I knew they were going down the slippery slope with their shaky (at best) logic for banning Salamence in the final months of Gen IV. When simply being a presence was grounds for a ban.


Infinite sun/rain isn't banned though.

As for Moody that **** was just stupid.

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Biolizard28
02/24/12 11:39:00 AM
#72:


From: blindhobo13 | #071
Infinite sun/rain isn't banned though.

As for Moody that **** was just stupid.


May as well have been. I'm of the opinion that when you start banning ability combos, you start losing credibility, since you're managing other people's teams on a micro level.

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mnkboy907
02/24/12 11:50:00 AM
#73:


Well it was either ban the ability combo or ban the Pokemon. At least this way all the affected Pokemon can still be used.

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GenesisTwilight
02/24/12 12:04:00 PM
#74:


I still say that once Abomasnow gets its dreamworld ability, ban all permaweather, because at that point all the permaweather Pokemon will have access to alternate abilities.

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