Board 8 > Touhou Mafia - Topic 10: Faith is for the Transient People

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HeroicGammaRay
02/16/12 11:16:00 PM
#1:


[1] Caelus: Fett
[0] Fett: (Caelus), (Caelus)
[0] Regaro: (Fett), (Caelus)

The living: (7)

1. _Regaro_
2. Fett0001
3. htaeD
4. ImTheMacheteGuy
5. MajinZidane
6. Mr_Vaga
7. Tom Bombadil

[KD1] masterplum - Yuyuko Saigyouji, SCUM Assassin
[LD1] eaedwards6400 - Letty Whiterock, Vanilla TOWN
[MKN1] catastrophy15 - Hina Kagiyama, Vanilla TOWN
[KN1] UltimaterializerX - ???
[KN1] XIII_rocks - Yoshika Miyako, TOWN Zombie
[KD2] Dante - Parsee Mizuhashi, Vanilla TOWN
[LD2] NewerShadow - Rinnosuke Morichika, Vanilla TOWN
[MKN2] greengravy294 - Yukari Yakumo, Vanilla TOWN
[MKN2] Articuno2001 - Nitori Kawashiro, TOWN Inventor
[MKN2] 36Eagles10 - Shikieiki Yamaxanadu, TOWN Judge
[MKN2] SBell0105 - Tewi Inaba, TOWN Roleblocker
[KD3] WalrusJump - Marisa Kirisame, SCUM Godfather
[LD3] Not_an_Owl - Nue Houjuu, SCUM Unidentifier
[KN3] Drakeryn - Patchouli Knowledge, TOWN Librarian
[KD4] Luis_Sera89 - Suika Ibuki, SCUM Pandemoniac
[LD4] Silverliner182V - Cirno, Vanilla TOWN
[KN4] Achromatic - Reimu Hakurei, TOWN Wonderful Shrine Maiden of Paradise
[KN4] Dark_Spiral - Aya Shameimaru, TOWN Reporter
[LD5] KingKracko - Lily White, TOWN Herald
[KN5] Raka_Putra - Eirin Yagokoro, SCUM Doctor
[KN5] UltimaterializerX - Merlin Prismriver, Vanilla TOWN
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Fett0001
02/16/12 11:22:00 PM
#2:


We need Tom alive in case we're up against 4 total scum. He's basically the only thing that can win it for town, there.

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Tom Bombadil
02/16/12 11:26:00 PM
#3:


you heard the man

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MajinZidane
02/16/12 11:32:00 PM
#4:


summary of where I'm at:

town:
boko - confirmed vagabond, confirmed kogasa whom is regarded as town in this flavor split
vaga - confirmed reviver, brought back someone who was/is/died town

regaro - cop scanned town with a dead godfather so likely not mafia, did not get up on n5 so likely not serial killer

caelus - lead a lynch on scum doctor instead of town herald
tombolo - confirmed double voter, temporary mason recruiter

fett - claimed miller, probably mafia
death - did not get up n4, probably mafia
scum:

easy to see tiers of where I'm personally at.

regaro tier and caelus/bolo tier can easily flip when you take into account regaro's pathetic play throughout and in endgame + the fact that we have a confirmed framer/role manipulator/etc in this game.

other thoughts:

- town paralyzer seems like an interesting way to combat an anti-town double voter, points against bolo.
- i think the anti-town framer/role manipulator is probably an SK ability instead of a mafia ability because it's quite a powerful tool that might be a bit too powerful on a scum team that already has a fair bit going for it.
- tombolo's powerful role actually can make sense as the likely "op sk in 27 players that needs some unfair powers in a high power game to have a chance."
- caelus being brand new and being extremely adamant about raka strikes me as something newbie mafia wouldn't be doing (leading a lynch on his own scummate when a town mislynch was easily in reach)
- fett not doing anything until voting for kracko and posting in end game doesn't make me like him any more
- death not doing anything at all as usual

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MajinZidane
02/16/12 11:33:00 PM
#5:


From: Fett0001 | #002
We need Tom alive in case we're up against 4 total scum. He's basically the only thing that can win it for town, there.


what do you think are the chances of this?

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MajinZidane
02/16/12 11:35:00 PM
#6:


i used my colons wrong, that's supposed to be a scale from town to scum "whoops"

it also doesn't take into account SK, just "scum"

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Fett0001
02/16/12 11:35:00 PM
#7:


From: MajinZidane | #005
what do you think are the chances of this?


Slim to none, but if you decide to go hunting for SK, he's not the choice I'd make because of that.

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MajinZidane
02/16/12 11:40:00 PM
#8:


but i have decent reasons as to why bolo is the SK over other people!

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Fett0001
02/16/12 11:42:00 PM
#9:


"hmm. Fett's inactive. Must be scum"

Next game:

"hmm. Fett's active. Must be scum."


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Tom Bombadil
02/16/12 11:42:00 PM
#10:


fett has figured out my reads on him :\

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Fett0001
02/16/12 11:43:00 PM
#11:


From: MajinZidane | #008
but i have decent reasons as to why bolo is the SK over other people!


I agree. I think it's between him and Caelus.

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Fett0001
02/16/12 11:43:00 PM
#12:


From: Tom Bombadil | #010
fett has figured out my reads on him :\




Tom's read:

"Fett's. Must be scum"

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Dark_Spiral
02/16/12 11:45:00 PM
#13:


Tag.
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Mr_Vaga
02/16/12 11:48:00 PM
#14:


What I've disliked about Tom basically comes down to his early stuff in the game.

Never particularly thought the SBell lynch was that great, and Tom's Anon vote is partly what makes SBell reveal his claim. Afterwards Tom unvotes and then says he disliked Silver, but due to no momentum on that lynch he doesn't find it worth placing a vote. I was going to say that just seemed scummy since numerous other people had voiced dislike for Silver and Chris was even wanting a Silver lynch. But now that I'm typing this, I'm thinking he didn't place a vote because it would have made it completely clear on who the DV was (although many people had a good idea anyway). D2 he comes in and votes SBell but jumps off immediately when barked at by Chris (who I think already used his shot on Dante). Then around the lynch he asks what is going on, decides that he doesn't particularly care for the Drak lynch so he joins the Shadow one instead. He had voiced dislike for Scept D1, but had never really said much indicating he'd want him lynched. It also stood out because his two votes and Luis's put Shadow in the lead for the lynch until Luis decided he'd rather have Drak lynched after he claimed Flavor Cop.


The rest is general paranoia of a Scum DV. That and process of elimination. A SK who can confirm himself as Prosti and also use that to find power roles to kill seems too evil. Don't really need to explain Caelus anymore. So that leaves, Death, Fett, Reg, and Tom. I'm still leaning that shados doesn't claim Miller D1 as Scum when there is a GF on the Scum team which means there's a possibility he'd be counterclaimed (and Scum had lost it's Assassin). So for Scum that basically leaves Death, Reg, and Tom.

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Tom Bombadil
02/16/12 11:49:00 PM
#15:


From: Fett0001 | Posted: 2/17/2012 1:43:47 AM | #012
Tom's read:

"Fett's. Must be scum"


pretty much

I was telling Boko earlier that you are one of those people I just plain always will suspect.

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Tom Bombadil
02/16/12 11:53:00 PM
#16:


aren't like

all of those points "Tom voted town instead of other town"

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Mr_Vaga
02/16/12 11:54:00 PM
#17:


What are the chances that Luis could both shorten the day and limit the night to only Scum actions?

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Tom Bombadil
02/16/12 11:54:00 PM
#18:


and why doesn't caelus need explanation

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Mr_Vaga
02/16/12 11:56:00 PM
#19:


Yeah, I realized I kind of shifted my train of thought mid sentence, probably means its time to get some sleep.

I've already explained like 3 times why Caelus is most likley not Scum, which is what I was thinking there. Not sure why I started with explaining why Boko probably isn't SK and then shifted to Scum reads.

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Mr_Vaga
02/17/12 12:06:00 AM
#20:


For someone who knows flavor, does this mean anything? "Ah, I forgot to say this - "Time" and "Clock" are two completely different things." (That's from the opening flavor for D2 where the Day was only 24 hours)

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Tom Bombadil
02/17/12 12:13:00 AM
#21:


Doesn't ring any bells to me.

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Mr_Vaga
02/17/12 12:20:00 AM
#22:


Googled it and found out it's a saying or something that's one one of the cards that Kaguya Houraisan owns in one of the game, who's abilities include "The Manipulation of Time and Space". I think I found our Day-Shortener's flavor.

Also, I think HGR has been leaving clues in the flavor, partly because of that and partly because of the message at the beginning of D3. He leaves flavor in the 1st person of someone chasing after someone and seeing a "shrine maiden in red and white" who was dancing, and once they came to their senses after being captivated by the dance, they lost sight of the shrine maiden. N2 is the night that it's most likely Scum tried to kill Chris who with Arti's item was able to get away, and Reimu is described as a shrine maiden in red and white.

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MajinZidane
02/17/12 12:27:00 AM
#23:


you shouldn't really read too much into the flavor text imo

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Mr_Vaga
02/17/12 12:40:00 AM
#24:


Okay, I change my lists a little bit.

I'm fairly certain Luis only had the power to "cause pandemonium through the night". Most likely there is another Scum who had the power to shorten the D2 to 24 hours (and who is likely Kaguya...not that that really helps much without a Flavor Cop) and that there was another Scum who could cause hallucinations.

Boko, I realize you think it's likely the SK had to do with the manipulation thing, but I while looking into the flavor thing (yes I realize its generally a bad practice, but when the Host blatantly gives a story of what happened one of the nights in the flavor, I thought it was worth checking), I ran into Sunny Milk's profile. Her abilitiy is known to be bending and refracting light and she is known for making hallucinations and getting people lost in the forest.

That's either a flavor to setup a mislynch, or too good to be a coincidence.

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Mr_Vaga
02/17/12 12:41:00 AM
#25:


Though actually, that still fits in line with your theory. Just it would be Fett instead of Reg, and Reg would be surprisingly Town.

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htaeD
02/17/12 12:51:00 AM
#26:


veryy annoyed with people saying Fetts claim makes it harder for him to be scum than me
there have been games with multiple millers and a godfather before. Its not unreasonable to assume scum would claim miller right off the bat

...

oh one thing tho

What are the chances that Luis could both shorten the day and limit the night to only Scum actions?

whoever shortened day had to have used his ability N1
whoever shut down town&SK night activity also had to have used that ability N1, as I dont see why scum would get a day action (Or a Jack that has day and night actions)

so I dont think Luis shortened the day either

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Tom Bombadil
02/17/12 12:52:00 AM
#27:


it could've done both

why is this relevant

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htaeD
02/17/12 12:56:00 AM
#28:


scum with multiple abilities like jack cant use multple actions per night, I should hope

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MajinZidane
02/17/12 12:58:00 AM
#29:


yeah why is this relevant

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htaeD
02/17/12 1:05:00 AM
#30:


ask InsaneOne, he brought it up
I assume he thinks Fett could have used his own flavor as a fake claim

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htaeD
02/17/12 1:07:00 AM
#31:


I mean something weird must have been going on with scums flavor
since Luis took the Merlin Prismriver flavor from Ulti rather than a name from their safelist
and Walrus just went with Nue to begin with

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htaeD
02/17/12 1:07:00 AM
#32:


*Marisa
not Nue

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Raka_Putra
02/17/12 1:27:00 AM
#33:


Tag.

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Tom Bombadil
02/17/12 6:26:00 AM
#34:


I can't help you on Nue, but it's pretty standard for Janitor to inform the scum of the target's role, and it's also pretty standard to use that role for a safeclaim later.

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_Regaro_
02/17/12 6:32:00 AM
#35:


mornin dudes

we're back to metagaming flavor I see. Literally pointless without Drak's role around.

##Vote: Caelus

I feel like that's what needs to happen today, for us to have the best shot at pulling this out.

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Tom Bombadil
02/17/12 6:46:00 AM
#36:


So unless I get off my first job pretty early, I'm probably going to be gone until about two hours before deadline. I was actually thinking of getting my votes on Caelus before I left, but now that would be hammer, right?

.....would anybody have a problem with that >_> I think he's our best shot at hitting SK.

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Tom Bombadil
02/17/12 7:04:00 AM
#37:


guys

boko

:(

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Fett0001
02/17/12 7:38:00 AM
#38:


It's up to you, tombolo.

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Tom Bombadil
02/17/12 7:41:00 AM
#39:


Nobody?

Welp.

Since it seems it's down to him and me today atm, and since we really really can't afford a mislynch, I guess I have to settle for self-preservation and hope I'm right, because I don't really want to come back tonight and find I'm gone. >_>

You played well for a newbie, Caelus. You just replaced into a crappy situation.

##Vote: Caelus

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Tom Bombadil
02/17/12 7:41:00 AM
#40:


Think that's a STOP

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Fett0001
02/17/12 7:43:00 AM
#41:


STOP

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HeroicGammaRay
02/17/12 8:08:00 AM
#42:


You lack imagination. You can't let yourself get fooled like that.
A criminal with as much imagination as U.N. Owen would probably have
a rope around your neck before breakfast.


Caelus has been lynched. He was Sakuya Izayoi, Vanilla TOWN.

[4] Caelus: Fett, Regaro, Tom, Anonymous
[0] Fett: (Caelus), (Caelus)
[0] Regaro: (Fett), (Caelus)

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Pokalicious
02/17/12 10:33:00 AM
#43:


Bump

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Pokalicious
02/17/12 5:35:00 PM
#44:


Bumpo

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HeroicGammaRay
02/17/12 7:48:00 PM
#45:


Oh, and I wanted to get rid of this doll, too.
But, those blue eyes. Sometimes a black crow carries them away and eats them. Those are real eyes.
After all, I keep putting in new eyes.


Fett has been killed. He was Sunny Milk, TOWN Miller.

5 alive 3 to lynch 48 hours you know the deal
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Tom Bombadil
02/17/12 7:49:00 PM
#46:


okay what the hell

##Vote: deatH

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_Regaro_
02/17/12 7:50:00 PM
#47:


##Vote: Death

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HeroicGammaRay
02/17/12 7:50:00 PM
#48:


STOP
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Tom Bombadil
02/17/12 7:50:00 PM
#49:


should be a STOP I believe

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HeroicGammaRay
02/17/12 7:53:00 PM
#50:


"Youkai? You've got to be kidding."
But, I know. That the youkai would live
in peace if the humans would let them.
That youkai are more peaceful and realistic than humans.


hteaD has been lynched. He was Mystia Lorelei, Vanilla TOWN.

[3] hteaD: Regaro, Tom, Anonymous

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