Board 8 > Obama says his religion influences his policies [dwmf]

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VincentLauw 02/09/12 11:48:00 AM #101:	From: pjbasis \| #093 Whoa dude don't attack him. it's foolmo, it's all he does even in legitimate discussions you'll get used to it -- http://i.imgur.com/8DTIg.gif <cite>VincentLauw posted [p:768918] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> From: pjbasis \| #093Whoa dude don't attack him.it's foolmo, it's all he does even in legitimate discussionsyou'll get used to it -- http://i.imgur.com/8DTIg.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 02/09/12 11:51:00 AM #102:	Ah, I remember hearing about some proposed bubbles that had a propensity to divide and and support it's own existence like a precursor to cells. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:768919] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> Ah, I remember hearing about some proposed bubbles that had a propensity to divide and and support it's own existence like a precursor to cells. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yoshifan823 02/09/12 11:51:00 AM #103:	*UltimaterializerX posted...* From: Pacmantis \| #085 UltimaterializerX posted... From: SlymDayspring \| #055 also ron paul literally supports prayer in school LOL Good. Teachers need to again be allowed to whack kids with rulers when they act like idiots. apparently we have different definitions of prayer Schools that promote praying have children who are better-behaved and grow into much better people in society. Not even up for debate. Would you care to show any evidence for this? (actual evidence, not just anecdotes.) <cite>yoshifan823 posted [p:768920] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> UltimaterializerX posted...From: Pacmantis \| #085UltimaterializerX posted...From: SlymDayspring \| #055also ron paul literally supports prayer in school LOLGood.Teachers need to again be allowed to whack kids with rulers when they act like idiots.apparently we have different definitions of prayerSchools that promote praying have children who are better-behaved and grow into much better people in society. Not even up for debate.Would you care to show any evidence for this? (actual evidence, not just anecdotes.) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SAWURFACEANDWOW 02/09/12 11:53:00 AM #104:	*yoshifan823 posted...* UltimaterializerX posted... From: Pacmantis \| #085 UltimaterializerX posted... From: SlymDayspring \| #055 also ron paul literally supports prayer in school LOL Good. Teachers need to again be allowed to whack kids with rulers when they act like idiots. apparently we have different definitions of prayer Schools that promote praying have children who are better-behaved and grow into much better people in society. Not even up for debate. Would you care to show any evidence for this? (actual evidence, not just anecdotes.) What is it like to spit into the wind? -- sess <cite>SAWURFACEANDWOW posted [p:768921] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> yoshifan823 posted...UltimaterializerX posted...From: Pacmantis \| #085UltimaterializerX posted...From: SlymDayspring \| #055also ron paul literally supports prayer in school LOLGood.Teachers need to again be allowed to whack kids with rulers when they act like idiots.apparently we have different definitions of prayerSchools that promote praying have children who are better-behaved and grow into much better people in society. Not even up for debate.Would you care to show any evidence for this? (actual evidence, not just anecdotes.)What is it like to spit into the wind? -- sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 02/09/12 11:53:00 AM #105:	It's pretty much impossible to take evolution deniers seriously. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:768922] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> It's pretty much impossible to take evolution deniers seriously. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/09/12 12:32:00 PM #106:	As I understand it, the central claim in this whole "Austrian school" stuff he believes in is that math and experiments (natural or otherwise) have no place in economics. Seems pretty silly to me. That's Smuffin, not Ron Paul, at least as far as I know. There's plenty of libertarian economic thought outside the Austrian school. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:768923] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> As I understand it, the central claim in this whole "Austrian school" stuff he believes in is that math and experiments (natural or otherwise) have no place in economics.Seems pretty silly to me.That's Smuffin, not Ron Paul, at least as far as I know. There's plenty of libertarian economic thought outside the Austrian school. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/09/12 12:38:00 PM #107:	Abiogenesis is not a serious scientific idea, in that it has no evidence supporting it. It probably should be disturbing that creationists take evolution to mean abiogenesis while evolutionsists take evolution to mean evolution. It's almost as upsetting as Christians who think that the Big Bang Theory contradicts creation, while in fact it is one of the most creation-supporting scientific theories. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:768924] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> Abiogenesis is not a serious scientific idea, in that it has no evidence supporting it. It probably should be disturbing that creationists take evolution to mean abiogenesis while evolutionsists take evolution to mean evolution.It's almost as upsetting as Christians who think that the Big Bang Theory contradicts creation, while in fact it is one of the most creation-supporting scientific theories. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
muddersmilk 02/09/12 12:43:00 PM #108:	It's almost as upsetting as Christians who think that the Big Bang Theory contradicts creation, while in fact it is one of the most creation-supporting scientific theories. That one has never made sense to me. Like really guys? You can't see where this actual argues our side? -- (Maniac64 at work) Guns don't kill people, Kinder eggs do. I saw it in a post on GameFAQs. ~FAHtastic <cite>muddersmilk posted [p:768925] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> It's almost as upsetting as Christians who think that the Big Bang Theory contradicts creation, while in fact it is one of the most creation-supporting scientific theories.That one has never made sense to me. Like really guys? You can't see where this actual argues our side? -- (Maniac64 at work) Guns don't kill people, Kinder eggs do. I saw it in a post on GameFAQs. ~FAHtastic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 02/09/12 12:45:00 PM #109:	Agreeing with Cyclo here, and just because there hasn't been "outrage" on the board about Obama's statements doesn't mean we all agree with them. A lot of us probably hadn't even read that article. Not sure why Muffin regularly assumes leftists are hypocrites. <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:768926] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> Agreeing with Cyclo here, and just because there hasn't been "outrage" on the board about Obama's statements doesn't mean we all agree with them. A lot of us probably hadn't even read that article. Not sure why Muffin regularly assumes leftists are hypocrites. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 02/09/12 12:48:00 PM #110:	As far as I know, the Big Bang Theory just tries explains why the particles of the universe seem to be spreading out farther and farther away from each other. Like if you trace it all backwards, they all started at some point. Which wouldn't say anything about what happened before they were all at one point, and doesn't suggest anything about the beginnings of the universe. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:768927] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> As far as I know, the Big Bang Theory just tries explains why the particles of the universe seem to be spreading out farther and farther away from each other. Like if you trace it all backwards, they all started at some point.Which wouldn't say anything about what happened before they were all at one point, and doesn't suggest anything about the beginnings of the universe. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/09/12 12:54:00 PM #111:	As far as I know, the Big Bang Theory just tries explains why the particles of the universe seem to be spreading out farther and farther away from each other. Like if you trace it all backwards, they all started at some point. Which wouldn't say anything about what happened before they were all at one point, and doesn't suggest anything about the beginnings of the universe. No, it says nothing about how the instant of creation happened. But it says that the universe has a beginning in time! This is big, because the prevailing view among scientists before then (in direct contradiction to Christianity) was that the universe had existed forever. It obviously doesn't prove anything about the instant of creation and does not purport to. It just bothers me to see Christians attack the BBT while knowing nothing about it because they think it contradicts creation. It suggests they reject it specifically because it involves science and math, and even worse, assume that science and Christianity naturally should contradict each other. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:768928] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> As far as I know, the Big Bang Theory just tries explains why the particles of the universe seem to be spreading out farther and farther away from each other.Like if you trace it all backwards, they all started at some point.Which wouldn't say anything about what happened before they were all at one point, and doesn't suggest anything about the beginnings of the universe.No, it says nothing about how the instant of creation happened. But it says that the universe has a beginning in time! This is big, because the prevailing view among scientists before then (in direct contradiction to Christianity) was that the universe had existed forever.It obviously doesn't prove anything about the instant of creation and does not purport to. It just bothers me to see Christians attack the BBT while knowing nothing about it because they think it contradicts creation. It suggests they reject it specifically because it involves science and math, and even worse, assume that science and Christianity naturally should contradict each other. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 02/09/12 12:58:00 PM #112:	It does say the universe has a beginning? I'm doing a little reading and I can't connect anything other than it suggests the beginning of the universe as we know it, and that things could have been different before the Big Bang. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:768929] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> It does say the universe has a beginning?I'm doing a little reading and I can't connect anything other than it suggests the beginning of the universe as we know it, and that things could have been different before the Big Bang. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/09/12 1:05:00 PM #113:	The BBT says the universe as we know it began at a fixed point in time, yes (when the whole universe was concentrated in a singularity of infinite density). There are newer theories that have come up since the BBT which speculate on what happened before, but they aren't properly called the Big Bang Theory, and are naturally highly speculative as the closer we want to look towards the instant of creation, the harder it is for us to get data that would tell us anything. Also, it's intriguing to contemplate what archaeologists from a future civilization would think if they find our math, physics, and economics texts after our civilization vanished into a second Dark Ages. They would probably decide the more advanced texts were manuals about magic. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:768930] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> The BBT says the universe as we know it began at a fixed point in time, yes (when the whole universe was concentrated in a singularity of infinite density). There are newer theories that have come up since the BBT which speculate on what happened before, but they aren't properly called the Big Bang Theory, and are naturally highly speculative as the closer we want to look towards the instant of creation, the harder it is for us to get data that would tell us anything.Also, it's intriguing to contemplate what archaeologists from a future civilization would think if they find our math, physics, and economics texts after our civilization vanished into a second Dark Ages. They would probably decide the more advanced texts were manuals about magic. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 02/09/12 1:10:00 PM #114:	From: JeffreyRaze \| #096 but if there's one thing I've learned it's that it is more or less impossible to debate with someone until you get them to clearly define what views they actually have. True. Ron Paul does not believe in Abiogenesis. He believes in evolution. There you go, clearly defined. -- _foolmo_ 'Most people at least try to say something funny. See foolmo's post as an example.' - The Real Truth <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:768931] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> From: JeffreyRaze \| #096but if there's one thing I've learned it's that it is more or less impossible to debate with someone until you get them to clearly define what views they actually have.True.Ron Paul does not believe in Abiogenesis. He believes in evolution.There you go, clearly defined. -- _foolmo_'Most people at least try to say something funny. See foolmo's post as an example.' - The Real Truth </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 02/09/12 1:10:00 PM #115:	Alright too much physics. This always happens when I get into a mood like this. I start reading about things that just sound like sci-fi but are supposed to be real and it just boggles my mind. Ultimate fate of the universe is also a big one that just makes me want to do something simple like play video games. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:768932] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> Alright too much physics.This always happens when I get into a mood like this.I start reading about things that just sound like sci-fi but are supposed to be real and it just boggles my mind.Ultimate fate of the universe is also a big one that just makes me want to do something simple like play video games. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/09/12 1:11:00 PM #116:	Also, it's also interesting to think about what would have happened if the exact same evidence that was discovered that led to scientists believing in the Big Bang Theory was discovered 500 years ago. The evidence is that almost all the galaxies are moving away from us, and the further away a galaxy is, generally the faster it is moving away from us. 500 years ago I think they would have concluded that we are at the center of the universe! We feel nowadays that it's more natural to think that all the galaxies are moving away from all the other galaxies, as all points on the surface of a balloon move away from each other when it is inflated. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:768933] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> Also, it's also interesting to think about what would have happened if the exact same evidence that was discovered that led to scientists believing in the Big Bang Theory was discovered 500 years ago. The evidence is that almost all the galaxies are moving away from us, and the further away a galaxy is, generally the faster it is moving away from us. 500 years ago I think they would have concluded that we are at the center of the universe! We feel nowadays that it's more natural to think that all the galaxies are moving away from all the other galaxies, as all points on the surface of a balloon move away from each other when it is inflated. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 02/09/12 1:17:00 PM #117:	From: foolm0ron \| #114 Ron Paul believes in evolution. Has he actually said that? -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:768934] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> From: foolm0ron \| #114Ron Paul believes in evolution.Has he actually said that? -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeffreyRaze 02/09/12 1:19:00 PM #118:	From: foolm0ron \| #114 True. Ron Paul does not believe in Abiogenesis. He believes in evolution. There you go, clearly defined. Well, then I'm not in argument against him really. I personally believe that abiogenesis occurred because it's currently the theory that fits the data best, but as it hasn't been proven by any means I'm not going to try to make any arguments for it. So... Assuming he does actually believe in evolution, uh... I'm not entirely sure why this all came up in the first place. I really only entered the conversation to explain the difference between abiogenesis and evolution, so there you have it. -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below! http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn <cite>JeffreyRaze posted [p:768935] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> From: foolm0ron \| #114True.Ron Paul does not believe in Abiogenesis. He believes in evolution.There you go, clearly defined.Well, then I'm not in argument against him really. I personally believe that abiogenesis occurred because it's currently the theory that fits the data best, but as it hasn't been proven by any means I'm not going to try to make any arguments for it. So... Assuming he does actually believe in evolution, uh... I'm not entirely sure why this all came up in the first place. I really only entered the conversation to explain the difference between abiogenesis and evolution, so there you have it. -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below!http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/09/12 1:20:00 PM #119:	Like others, I don't care if he believes in evolution. And I do care if a candidate believes in God. Belief in God should inform your decisions a lot more often as president than belief in evolution would. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:768936] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> Like others, I don't care if he believes in evolution.And I do care if a candidate believes in God. Belief in God should inform your decisions a lot more often as president than belief in evolution would. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeffreyRaze 02/09/12 1:24:00 PM #120:	From: red sox 777 \| #119 Like others, I don't care if he believes in evolution. And I do care if a candidate believes in God. Belief in God should inform your decisions a lot more often as president than belief in evolution would. Not really. Belief in a god does implies certain values for sure, but disbelief in evolution indicates a lack of critical thought, which is highly distressing in a candidate. -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below! http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn <cite>JeffreyRaze posted [p:768937] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> From: red sox 777 \| #119Like others, I don't care if he believes in evolution.And I do care if a candidate believes in God. Belief in God should inform your decisions a lot more often as president than belief in evolution would.Not really. Belief in a god does implies certain values for sure, but disbelief in evolution indicates a lack of critical thought, which is highly distressing in a candidate. -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below!http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 02/09/12 1:24:00 PM #121:	From: Leebo86 \| #117 Has he actually said that? Uh, duh, why would he not believe in a completely observable scientific fact? There's a reason the media has made "evolution" synonymous with Abiogenesis, so that when people say they don't believe in evolution, people like you will go "lol wtf that guy hates science he dumb", even though it's obviously supposed to be a statement about creation of life. -- _foolmo_ 'Most people at least try to say something funny. See foolmo's post as an example.' - The Real Truth <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:768938] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> From: Leebo86 \| #117Has he actually said that?Uh, duh, why would he not believe in a completely observable scientific fact?There's a reason the media has made "evolution" synonymous with Abiogenesis, so that when people say they don't believe in evolution, people like you will go "lol wtf that guy hates science he dumb", even though it's obviously supposed to be a statement about creation of life. -- _foolmo_'Most people at least try to say something funny. See foolmo's post as an example.' - The Real Truth </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 02/09/12 1:26:00 PM #122:	Okay, maybe someone like Santorum doesn't actually believe in evolution as an observable fact, but he is actually dumb -- _foolmo_ 'Illegal activities is a slight misnomer, most of it is not related to material that is actually illegal.' - nintendogrl1 <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:768939] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> Okay, maybe someone like Santorum doesn't actually believe in evolution as an observable fact, but he is actually dumb -- _foolmo_'Illegal activities is a slight misnomer, most of it is not related to material that is actually illegal.' - nintendogrl1 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/09/12 1:27:00 PM #123:	People can be unreasonable about some things and completely reasonable and smart in other things. It happens all the time. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:768940] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> People can be unreasonable about some things and completely reasonable and smart in other things. It happens all the time. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 02/09/12 1:38:00 PM #124:	From: foolm0ron \| #121 Uh, duh, why would he not believe in a completely observable scientific fact? There's a reason the media has made "evolution" synonymous with Abiogenesis, so that when people say they don't believe in evolution, people like you will go "lol wtf that guy hates science he dumb", even though it's obviously supposed to be a statement about creation of life. When someone says they don't believe in evolution, I have to take them at their word and not assume they think the word means something other than its definition. That's why I'm asking if he explained at all beyond "I don't believe in evolution." And yeah, just because something is an observable fact doesn't mean people won't deny it. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:768941] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> From: foolm0ron \| #121Uh, duh, why would he not believe in a completely observable scientific fact?There's a reason the media has made "evolution" synonymous with Abiogenesis, so that when people say they don't believe in evolution, people like you will go "lol wtf that guy hates science he dumb", even though it's obviously supposed to be a statement about creation of life.When someone says they don't believe in evolution, I have to take them at their word and not assume they think the word means something other than its definition. That's why I'm asking if he explained at all beyond "I don't believe in evolution."And yeah, just because something is an observable fact doesn't mean people won't deny it. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 02/09/12 4:16:00 PM #125:	Alright, you can believe whatever you want. I just don't want people going around saying that Creationists can't believe in evolution. -- _foolmo_ 'It's easy to get yourself in trouble if you start quoting people who don't like you in your signature' - Mods <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:768942] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> Alright, you can believe whatever you want. I just don't want people going around saying that Creationists can't believe in evolution. -- _foolmo_'It's easy to get yourself in trouble if you start quoting people who don't like you in your signature' - Mods </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 02/09/12 4:47:00 PM #126:	Of course they can. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:768943] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> Of course they can. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/09/12 7:54:00 PM #127:	So basically, the position of leftists in this topic is that Ron Paul is obviously unqualified to be President because his religious positions might theoretically cause him to adopt bad policy (although nobody has really provided an example of that yet), but meanwhile, Obama openly stating that his religious positions cause him to adopt bad policy is not really all that big of a deal? -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:768944] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> So basically, the position of leftists in this topic is that Ron Paul is obviously unqualified to be President because his religious positions might theoretically cause him to adopt bad policy (although nobody has really provided an example of that yet), but meanwhile, Obama openly stating that his religious positions cause him to adopt bad policy is not really all that big of a deal? -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 02/09/12 8:06:00 PM #128:	I think they just don't care about policies at all, they just care about who does and doesn't believe in evolution. -- _foolmo_ 'but that statement is something only an Aspergers patient would say' - UltimaterializerX <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:768945] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> I think they just don't care about policies at all, they just care about who does and doesn't believe in evolution. -- _foolmo_'but that statement is something only an Aspergers patient would say' - UltimaterializerX </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 02/09/12 8:54:00 PM #129:	Any politician who stands a chance of being elected is going to be religious. No one's going to hold their breath on that issue. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:768946] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> Any politician who stands a chance of being elected is going to be religious. No one's going to hold their breath on that issue. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SAWURFACEANDWOW 02/09/12 8:56:00 PM #130:	*foolm0ron posted...* I think they just don't care about policies at all, they just care about who does and doesn't believe in evolution. this is so f*ing annoying -- sess <cite>SAWURFACEANDWOW posted [p:768947] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> foolm0ron posted...I think they just don't care about policies at all, they just care about who does and doesn't believe in evolution.this is so f*ing annoying -- sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 02/09/12 8:57:00 PM #131:	To be fair, it's an easy benchmark to clear. As foolmo said, it's a completely observable scientific fact. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:768948] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> To be fair, it's an easy benchmark to clear. As foolmo said, it's a completely observable scientific fact. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 02/09/12 9:01:00 PM #132:	To be fair, it's completely irrelevant and 100% a semantics issue, as this topic has demonstrated -- _foolmo_ 'Ulti is like when your parents post something on your facebook status' - Sir Cobain <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:768949] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> To be fair, it's completely irrelevant and 100% a semantics issue, as this topic has demonstrated -- _foolmo_'Ulti is like when your parents post something on your facebook status' - Sir Cobain </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 02/09/12 9:03:00 PM #133:	It's only a semantic issue for people who are ignorant of the definition, which doesn't bode well for their thoughts on it anyway. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:768950] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> It's only a semantic issue for people who are ignorant of the definition, which doesn't bode well for their thoughts on it anyway. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SAWURFACEANDWOW 02/09/12 9:05:00 PM #134:	to be fair foolmo im pretty sure leebo is a wikipedia moderator so he is the kind of mind who would subscribe to this type of thinking -- sess <cite>SAWURFACEANDWOW posted [p:768951] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> to be fair foolmo im pretty sure leebo is a wikipedia moderator so he is the kind of mind who would subscribe to this type of thinking -- sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 02/09/12 9:14:00 PM #135:	I don't even dislike Ron Paul that much... he's a pretty likable guy. There's plenty of things I don't agree with him on, but of all the republican candidates he's the one I'd be least upset about. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:768952] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> I don't even dislike Ron Paul that much... he's a pretty likable guy.There's plenty of things I don't agree with him on, but of all the republican candidates he's the one I'd be least upset about. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SAWURFACEANDWOW 02/09/12 9:16:00 PM #136:	you're done here, leebo. if this was prison you would be holding my pocket lint after that post -- sess <cite>SAWURFACEANDWOW posted [p:768953] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> you're done here, leebo. if this was prison you would be holding my pocket lint after that post -- sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 02/09/12 9:19:00 PM #137:	I'm done with what? -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:768954] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> I'm done with what? -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SAWURFACEANDWOW 02/09/12 9:22:00 PM #138:	posting in this topic bro. that part of your life is over. -- sess <cite>SAWURFACEANDWOW posted [p:768955] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> posting in this topic bro. that part of your life is over. -- sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metroid composite 02/09/12 9:22:00 PM #139:	*foolm0ron posted...* Ron Paul does not believe in Abiogenesis. He believes in evolution. There you go, clearly defined. Oh, well that's quite acceptable. Truth be told, many scientists have wondered whether life on earth actually came from an asteroid or something. Life shows up so freaking early in the history of the planet, that it's a little surprising. Like...the earth formed 4.5 billion years ago, and life shows up like...3.8 billion years ago, or possibly older. To put things into perspective, multicelular organisms don't show up until 2 billion years ago. Plants don't show up until like...0.5 billion years ago. The earliest forms of life just didn't change as much as you'd expect in a billion years. (And this is not surprising--the short version is that life evolved ways to evolve faster--so lots of change happened much more recently, and very little happened early on). Despite this...we're led to believe that life formed out of inanimate objects before the Earth was even a billion years old? Not impossible, but...certainly surprising. And there's quite a few legitimate scientists who think the same thing (hence theories about life on earth coming from an asteroid). So...being skeptical that abiogenesis happened on planet earth is something I really can't fault anyone for. -- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision <cite>metroid composite posted [p:768956] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> foolm0ron posted...Ron Paul does not believe in Abiogenesis. He believes in evolution.There you go, clearly defined.Oh, well that's quite acceptable.Truth be told, many scientists have wondered whether life on earth actually came from an asteroid or something. Life shows up so freaking early in the history of the planet, that it's a little surprising. Like...the earth formed 4.5 billion years ago, and life shows up like...3.8 billion years ago, or possibly older. To put things into perspective, multicelular organisms don't show up until 2 billion years ago. Plants don't show up until like...0.5 billion years ago. The earliest forms of life just didn't change as much as you'd expect in a billion years. (And this is not surprising--the short version is that life evolved ways to evolve faster--so lots of change happened much more recently, and very little happened early on). Despite this...we're led to believe that life formed out of inanimate objects before the Earth was even a billion years old?Not impossible, but...certainly surprising. And there's quite a few legitimate scientists who think the same thing (hence theories about life on earth coming from an asteroid).So...being skeptical that abiogenesis happened on planet earth is something I really can't fault anyone for. -- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 02/09/12 9:22:00 PM #140:	From: SAWURFACEANDWOW \| #138 posting in this topic bro. that part of your life is over. No thanks? -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:768957] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> From: SAWURFACEANDWOW \| #138posting in this topic bro. that part of your life is over.No thanks? -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SAWURFACEANDWOW 02/09/12 9:23:00 PM #141:	*Leebo86 posted...* From: SAWURFACEANDWOW \| #138 posting in this topic bro. that part of your life is over. No thanks? aight bro well your credibility has already been rocked and no one will take you seriously as a result so im just trying to help you not waste your time -- sess <cite>SAWURFACEANDWOW posted [p:768958] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> Leebo86 posted...From: SAWURFACEANDWOW \| #138posting in this topic bro. that part of your life is over.No thanks?aight bro well your credibility has already been rocked and no one will take you seriously as a result so im just trying to help you not waste your time -- sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 02/09/12 9:24:00 PM #142:	What's wrong with finding Ron Paul likable? -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:768959] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> What's wrong with finding Ron Paul likable? -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 02/09/12 9:25:00 PM #143:	I feel like you still don't realize that when people talk about Evolution in this context, about the "Theory of Evolution", it's 100% about Abiogenesis. You can replace every occurrence of "Evolution" with "Abiogenesis". No one uses the term "Abiogenesis"... hell, I had never even heard of it until this topic, and I'm way more intelligent than any of you. Tell me what makes more sense. That people have been arguing for so long about Creationism, a theory on the origin of life, and Abiogenesis, a theory on the origin of life, OR that they have been arguing about Creationism, a theory on the origin of life, and Evolution, a scientifically observable fact? I mean, I'm extremely cynical, and even I think it would be ridiculous to think that the billions of Creationists around the world systematically ignore science. -- _foolmo_ 'You are obviously intelligent and insightful' - Sir Chris about me <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:768960] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> I feel like you still don't realize that when people talk about Evolution in this context, about the "Theory of Evolution", it's 100% about Abiogenesis. You can replace every occurrence of "Evolution" with "Abiogenesis".No one uses the term "Abiogenesis"... hell, I had never even heard of it until this topic, and I'm way more intelligent than any of you.Tell me what makes more sense. That people have been arguing for so long about Creationism, a theory on the origin of life, and Abiogenesis, a theory on the origin of life, OR that they have been arguing about Creationism, a theory on the origin of life, and Evolution, a scientifically observable fact?I mean, I'm extremely cynical, and even I think it would be ridiculous to think that the billions of Creationists around the world systematically ignore science. -- _foolmo_'You are obviously intelligent and insightful' - Sir Chris about me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SAWURFACEANDWOW 02/09/12 9:28:00 PM #144:	LMAO @ foolmo claiming to be smarter than smartmuffin -- sess <cite>SAWURFACEANDWOW posted [p:768961] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> LMAO @ foolmo claiming to be smarter than smartmuffin -- sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 02/09/12 9:29:00 PM #145:	From: foolm0ron \| #143 I feel like you still don't realize that when people talk about Evolution in this context, about the "Theory of Evolution", it's 100% about Abiogenesis. You can replace every occurrence of "Evolution" with "Abiogenesis". No one uses the term "Abiogenesis"... hell, I had never even heard of it until this topic, and I'm way more intelligent than any of you. Tell me what makes more sense. That people have been arguing for so long about Creationism, a theory on the origin of life, and Abiogenesis, a theory on the origin of life, OR that they have been arguing about Creationism, a theory on the origin of life, and Evolution, a scientifically observable fact? I mean, I'm extremely cynical, and even I think it would be ridiculous to think that the billions of Creationists around the world systematically ignore science. There really are creationists who clearly understand that evolution has to do with speciation, when they say stuff like "humans didn't come from monkeys." Now, that's a problematic statement on its own, but it does show they aren't talking about abiogenesis at that time. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:768962] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> From: foolm0ron \| #143I feel like you still don't realize that when people talk about Evolution in this context, about the "Theory of Evolution", it's 100% about Abiogenesis. You can replace every occurrence of "Evolution" with "Abiogenesis".No one uses the term "Abiogenesis"... hell, I had never even heard of it until this topic, and I'm way more intelligent than any of you.Tell me what makes more sense. That people have been arguing for so long about Creationism, a theory on the origin of life, and Abiogenesis, a theory on the origin of life, OR that they have been arguing about Creationism, a theory on the origin of life, and Evolution, a scientifically observable fact?I mean, I'm extremely cynical, and even I think it would be ridiculous to think that the billions of Creationists around the world systematically ignore science.There really are creationists who clearly understand that evolution has to do with speciation, when they say stuff like "humans didn't come from monkeys."Now, that's a problematic statement on its own, but it does show they aren't talking about abiogenesis at that time. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 02/09/12 9:29:00 PM #146:	LMAO @ a so-called ivy league graduate spending his life in his mom's basement writing internet articles that no one reads. I'm as much a moron as smartmuffin is smart. -- _foolmo_ 'but that statement is something only an Aspergers patient would say' - UltimaterializerX <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:768963] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> LMAO @ a so-called ivy league graduate spending his life in his mom's basement writing internet articles that no one reads.I'm as much a moron as smartmuffin is smart. -- _foolmo_'but that statement is something only an Aspergers patient would say' - UltimaterializerX </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SAWURFACEANDWOW 02/09/12 9:30:00 PM #147:	you must be a super moron then! -- sess <cite>SAWURFACEANDWOW posted [p:768964] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> you must be a super moron then! -- sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 02/09/12 9:32:00 PM #148:	wait my bad I confused Smuffing with sephyG -- _foolmo_ 'he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance' - ertyu quoting Tidus <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:768965] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> wait my bad I confused Smuffing with sephyG -- _foolmo_'he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance' - ertyu quoting Tidus </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phase 02/09/12 9:32:00 PM #149:	*foolm0ron posted...* I think they just don't care about policies at all, they just care about who does and doesn't believe in evolution. Not believing in evolution is like... not believing in gravity. Like, at best you can say "the theory of gravity has problems". (and, you know, Newtonian gravity turns out it DID have problems, which is why we came up with general relativity) But that's not to say the current knowledge is not pretty damn close and good enough to make lots of predictions. Denying evolution is denying a massive font of evidence for it. I would certainly not want someone making decisions who just out and out ignored a massive pile of evidence like that. Not believing in abiogenesis is like not believing in string theory. Outside of academia no one gives a damn. Or, in my field, taking a position on P ?= NP. (and because I like to be hipster theorist, I say P != NP with the axiom of choice, independent of ZF without the axiom of choice) Regardless of your opinion there's plenty of discussion no matter your position. At worst, I'd be skeptical of someone who had a really strong position on the matter without a good knowledge of it. I mean, I'm extremely cynical, and even I think it would be ridiculous to think that the billions of Creationists around the world systematically ignore science. The problem is there are actually a surprisingly large amount people out there that don't believe humans could have evolved from a "lower" form of life. -- assert(!hotterThan(foo, "Hot Nymphomaniacal Lesbian Mind-Controlling Dominatrix Fairy Doctors with glasses")) <cite>Phase posted [p:768966] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> foolm0ron posted...I think they just don't care about policies at all, they just care about who does and doesn't believe in evolution.Not believing in evolution is like... not believing in gravity. Like, at best you can say "the theory of gravity has problems". (and, you know, Newtonian gravity turns out it DID have problems, which is why we came up with general relativity) But that's not to say the current knowledge is not pretty damn close and good enough to make lots of predictions. Denying evolution is denying a massive font of evidence for it. I would certainly not want someone making decisions who just out and out ignored a massive pile of evidence like that.Not believing in abiogenesis is like not believing in string theory. Outside of academia no one gives a damn. Or, in my field, taking a position on P ?= NP. (and because I like to be hipster theorist, I say P != NP with the axiom of choice, independent of ZF without the axiom of choice) Regardless of your opinion there's plenty of discussion no matter your position. At worst, I'd be skeptical of someone who had a really strong position on the matter without a good knowledge of it.I mean, I'm extremely cynical, and even I think it would be ridiculous to think that the billions of Creationists around the world systematically ignore science.The problem is there are actually a surprisingly large amount people out there that don't believe humans could have evolved from a "lower" form of life. -- assert(!hotterThan(foo, "Hot Nymphomaniacal Lesbian Mind-Controlling Dominatrix Fairy Doctors with glasses")) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SAWURFACEANDWOW 02/09/12 9:33:00 PM #150:	*foolm0ron posted...* wait my bad I confused Smuffing with sephyG cause youre dumb homie! looks like ill take this debate to the bank! -- sess <cite>SAWURFACEANDWOW posted [p:768967] in Obama says... [t:61897683]...</cite> <quote> foolm0ron posted...wait my bad I confused Smuffing with sephyGcause youre dumb homie! looks like ill take this debate to the bank! -- sess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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