Board 8 > Touhou Mafia - Topic 3: There's No Bussing in Gensokyo

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Raka_Putra
02/07/12 8:51:00 PM
#1:


The living: (26)

1. 36Eagles10
2. _Regaro_
3. Achromatic
4. Articuno2001
5. catastrophy15
6. Dark_Spiral
7. Drakeryn
8. eaedwards6400
9. greengravy294
10. htaeD
11. jdizzy156
12. Luis_Sera89
13. KingKracko
14. MajinZidane
15. Mr_Vaga
16. Not_an_Owl
17. Raka_Putra
18. SBell0105
19. Sceptilesolarbeam
20. shadosneko
21. Silverliner182V
22. Tom Bombadil
23. UltimaterializerX
24. WalrusJump
25. X_Dante_X
26. XIII_rocks

note that this list has been alphabetized by request

Dead parrots:

[KD1] masterplum - Yuyuko Saigyouji, SCUM Assassin

From: SBell0105 | #469

Unofficial votals by SBell

[4] SBell: Chris, Raka, Dante, Eagles
[2] Articuno: Boko, Silver, (Regaro), (SBell), (Walrus)
[2] Kracko: Owl, (Walrus), Regaro
[2] Walrus: (Boko), jdizzy, Articuno
[1] Eaedwards: Spiral
[1] Regaro: Kracko,
[1] Raka: Walrus
[1] Drak: Ulti
[1] Eagles: (Walrus), Gravy, (Silver)
[1] Spiral: (XIII), (Ulti), (catastrophy), (Eagles), XIII
[1] Ulti: (Owl), Tom
[0] XIII: (shadosneko), (Ulti), (Spiral), (Eagles), (Drak)
[0] Boko: (Chris)
[0] jdizzy: (Walrus), (shadosneko)
[0] catastrophy: (Ulti), (Dante)
[0] Dante: (jdizzy)
[0] htaeD: (Chris)
[0] Luis: (Kracko)
[0] No Lynch: Articuno, (Eagles), (Ulti), (catastrophy), (Tom)


Day ends at 11:10:49 EST today.

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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 8:52:00 PM
#2:


It should be fine as far as topics go.
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SBell0105
02/07/12 8:52:00 PM
#3:


From: Sceptilesolarbeam | #486
oh

Halfassed claim is halfassed.

Doing my best to protect the interests of town while appeasing stupidity.

So yes, a halfassed claim because Chris thinks he's a living legend since he got lucky with his shot.

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Raka_Putra
02/07/12 8:53:00 PM
#4:


Topic 2 is nearing 500 and HGR is nowhere to be seen, so I hope this is okay.

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SBell0105
02/07/12 8:54:00 PM
#5:


Ok, I'm going to bed and not going any further on my claim.

You wanna lynch me, lynch me. I'm Town Power but at least this way Scum has NO idea who to hit at night and there is a better chance at them hitting Town Vanilla then the rest of you managing to make a correct lynch.

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Sceptilesolarbeam
02/07/12 8:55:00 PM
#6:


You stupid?

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Articuno2001
02/07/12 8:56:00 PM
#7:


That's fine Sbell, I won't pursue your lynch anymore.

After I get this writeup done for my top 10 of 2011 topic, I'm going to look back at Walrus's and Silver's posts in topic 2.

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SBell0105
02/07/12 8:56:00 PM
#8:


From: Articuno2001 | #007
That's fine Sbell, I won't pursue your lynch anymore.


you aren't the one i'm worried about, out of everyone thats put suspicion in my direction today I actually feel best about you.

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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 8:58:00 PM
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Drakeryn
02/07/12 9:00:00 PM
#10:


Still want to hear from Walrus about his cases on these guys:

#465 | WalrusJump | Posted 2/7/2012 10:19:57 PM | message detail | quote
Yes, Eagles/Articuno/Kracko look bad too.


Feels like a laundry list of easy/convenient targets.


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XIII_rocks
02/07/12 9:01:00 PM
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From: Articuno2001 | #007
That's fine Sbell, I won't pursue your lynch anymore.


So you're going to pursue Spiral instead ya?

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Articuno2001
02/07/12 9:01:00 PM
#12:


did Walrus disappear again

-_-

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SBell0105
02/07/12 9:02:00 PM
#13:


Final thought as i head up to bed with the laundry:

Hey doc, you save wasted DayVig Chris over me and you gunna have some serious explaining to do.

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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 9:02:00 PM
#14:


Something fun that I noticed.:

Ulti wants to lynch Drak, Reg, and myself.
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Sceptilesolarbeam
02/07/12 9:03:00 PM
#15:


From: SBell0105 | #013
Final thought as i head up to bed with the laundry:

Hey doc, you save wasted DayVig Chris over me and you gunna have some serious explaining to do.


*head impacts desk at high velocity*

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Tom Bombadil
02/07/12 9:03:00 PM
#16:


I do not at all get the paranoia on Chris. I will give you that shooting scumbuddy!plum is totally something he would do, but he DID have justifiable reasoning behind it, and it baffles me that Drak and Boko are surprised that Chris would use a dayvig early d1 given the opportunity. It's Chris, guys. We could make him triple dayvig and he could miss two shots and he'd take the third without flinching. I do not like that Boko is attacking Chris. Drak, I'm willing to write off as paranoia. Boko feels more like he is specifically reaching to attack Chris. And do we really think there's a scum daykiller of some sort? Really? I realize Chris is scary and all but c'mon.

The problem with scum tell meta is that the meta game is so developed that everything like that ends up being WIFOM now.

What do you propose we work with, then, shados? also I keep forgetting gamefox works again and I can quote people :\

From: Raka_Putra | Posted: 2/7/2012 8:45:34 AM | #008
The reason I like Cirno and Suwako the best are literally from Cirno's Perfect Math Class and Kero Destiny.


As good a reason as any.

Yeah IOSYS is bad

Dead.

To.

Me.

From: SBell0105 | Posted: 2/7/2012 6:51:24 PM | #209
Frankly, up until a little bittle ago I was feeling pretty good about this Day but it appears that nothing I do is really going to matter if I already have players like Chris, Luis and Ulti all thinking that I'm part of the scum team. You get three Vets thinking you are scum and anyone is going to follow them onto your lynch. It would appear that nothing I say will really matter at this point. Nothing i've ever done has ever convinced anyone I'm not scum in the past when they get on me, that is till they lynch me and see they were wrong but they'll just follow that up with a "yeah, it was a good lynch anyway he was totally scummy"


roll over more why don't you

so I see we've shifted from "oh no chris is second family dayvig" to "oh no chris is scum shapeshifter" man that is hilarious what kind of crappy host would make a maf doppleganger and then on top of that give the role to chris just how HIGH would you have to be to even DO something like tha-waaaaaait a second

What's with all these oddly timed claims? First the miller claim and now Kracko claiming "confirmable." I'm leaning towards buying both but it's disorienting.

"Stu" is...SBell, right?

man XIII *I* am supposed to be who gets in a slapfight with Spiral for the entire first half of the game this is gimmick infringement :\

From: X_Dante_X | Posted: 2/7/2012 8:19:33 PM | #320
I don't like it when I forget people are in the game, brb rereading


it's funny because I keep seeing you post and only then remembering you are in

then again I HAVE been pretty not-here so I can't deny it's a reasonable point

and also I can't keep up with 27 people so "I forget they are in the game" applies to about half the plist <_>

From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 2/7/2012 9:34:01 PM | #407
Hey Tom, vote Wigs for me after I give Reg a mask of double action.

Thanks.


this seems vaguely familiar what game was it

also going to laugh when ulti is cirnogeta

why do we want to make kracko fullclaim that makes no sense

Town reacts, that's how this game works.

One of the few things I have actually managed to learn about this game is that sitting around and just reacting doesn't always produce results. Sometimes you have to go on the offensive. Eventually I'll actually manage to put that into practice. >_>

not QUITE caught up yet

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_Regaro_
02/07/12 9:03:00 PM
#17:


I'm gonna call it a night myself

Actually wait, deadline's at 11 EST?

Yeah, I won't be around for it. Closest I'll be is maybe be here around 9:30ish EST

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_Regaro_
02/07/12 9:05:00 PM
#18:


From: Tom Bombadil | #016
Dead.

To.

Me.


Wait, I can't go to bed without responding to this

My hatred for them isn't so much IOSYS themselves, but rather the kinds of people they (Especially ****ing Cirno's Math Class) attract

They attract some of the most atrocious and awful human beings on the planet.

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Tom Bombadil
02/07/12 9:07:00 PM
#19:


you wanna fight

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jdizzy156
02/07/12 9:10:00 PM
#20:


Sup Tom.

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Tom Bombadil
02/07/12 9:13:00 PM
#21:


Dante is right, I forgot Scep is playing even more than I forget most of you are playing!

hello jdizzy

gotta peeeeee and digest my thoughts gimme a sec for a wrapup

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Achromatic
02/07/12 9:21:00 PM
#22:


Hey guys don't make me use my second vig shot on Sbell.

Because I don't think I get a third one if I kill two scum in one day.

Sbell is being bad and pouty scum. I am very, very good at reading Sbell. I have already shown that I am pretty on my game this day 1. Lynch Sbell, listen to the guy who already has one scum under his belt.

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Tom Bombadil
02/07/12 9:24:00 PM
#23:


Alright. I am currently most interested in:

-Ulti. He has done absolutely nothing to convince me he's town, and even if he is town I am also frankly not in the mood for him trying to copy Tomgeta's swag all game and derping around claiming scum.
-Boko, pretty much entirely because of 1-420. Felt like SO MUCH stretching and TownChris fear. Come to think of it, though, he's relatively quiet this game. :\ And hasn't complained that I'm ignoring him either. :\
-Scep, because like five other people I forgot he was playing.
-SBell, because holy moley did he ever roll over and also dat weak softclaim.
-Spiral? Most of the Spiral/XIII fight went in one eye and out the other, but it IS a bit disconcerting to see Spiral not more adamant.
-Reg is a jerkface.

Of those, there is exactly one (1) who looks to be in any danger of a lynch at the moment, so time to train then I guess choo choooooo

##Unvote: Ulti
##Vote: SBell


how was that dante was that better do you want to be bff now

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Tom Bombadil
02/07/12 9:25:00 PM
#24:


oh good chris agrees with me

that means either I am right or TRAPPED##TOM

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Tom Bombadil
02/07/12 9:30:00 PM
#25:


oh jdizzy is playing too that's right

literally a 15-minute long double take

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WalrusJump
02/07/12 9:31:00 PM
#26:


From: Drakeryn | #010
Still want to hear from Walrus about his cases on these guys:

#465 | WalrusJump | Posted 2/7/2012 10:19:57 PM | message detail | quote
Yes, Eagles/Articuno/Kracko look bad too.


Feels like a laundry list of easy/convenient targets.


These happen to be the people I've had votes on in the past (minus jdizzy).

All of Eagles' votes have been repeated logic or simply following - including and especially SBell, for whom Eagles repeated that "he was defending silverliner" point that isn't true and isn't a reason to vote SBell over silver himself. He actually said this:

From: 36Eagles10 | #366
I feel both you and Silver are scum cause you defending him instead of him defending himself. You have more votes on you already and are therefore more likely to be voted off. So I vote for you.


He's done similar stuff earlier in the game. I don't think that "I didn't know we weren't supposed to talk at night" business is a reliable indicator of him being town.

Articuno read far more into me "ignoring" boko's vote initially than any reasonable town member would - boko himself let it go. here's the post that annoyed me in the first place:

From: Articuno2001 | #339
Right now I think I would vote Silver. Wasn't a big fan of his vote on me and I didn't think his reasoning was that sound, so I pointed it out and he then left without replying to it.

No one else yet, maybe Walrus for ignoring votes on him but other than those two, I don't think anyone else deserves a vote right now. I can understand the XIII/Spiral thing from last game, and I think Eagles is town.

However, I'm going to keep my vote where it is right now.
=)


the whole ignoring votes thing is meaningless and the other one is essentially countersuspicion.

as for Kracko, he voted Luis and then on word from Articuno of all people he backed off. he's generally been inactive other than that - he claimed confirmable and hasn't shown up since. I don't want to force the issue with him this game day, but he should be in the spotlight the next day.

Raka, I don't know what question you asked that I haven't already addressed somewhere. I'm going to do work now though, so I'll see you all tomorrow.

I don't know if it's 11 AM or PM EST, but just in case:

##Unvote: Raka
##Vote: Articuno


At this point I'm fine with forcing a claim here.

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MajinZidane
02/07/12 9:32:00 PM
#27:


From: Tom Bombadil | #023
-Boko, pretty much entirely because of 1-420. Felt like SO MUCH stretching and TownChris fear. Come to think of it, though, he's relatively quiet this game. :\ And hasn't complained that I'm ignoring him either. :\


wtf?

how is anything I've said this game "townchris fear"

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Articuno2001
02/07/12 9:33:00 PM
#28:


Boko isn't reading the game confirmed

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Tom Bombadil
02/07/12 9:33:00 PM
#29:


also still don't get how people can have eagles as a major suspect

yes I am meta-ing that one question he asked

but out of all the times something similar has happened has it EVER been a clever scum ploy

occam's razor dudes

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Tom Bombadil
02/07/12 9:35:00 PM
#30:


You literally raised suspicion on Chris for dayvigging quickly.

On Chris.

For acting quickly and possibly rashly.

Chris.

this would be roughly equivalent to you showing up and boko-ing for a few posts and then Drak voting you

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Tom Bombadil
02/07/12 9:36:00 PM
#31:


"bokbobkbokbo isn't even a word who would say that ##boko"

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X_Dante_X
02/07/12 9:37:00 PM
#32:


Not terribly convinced by sbells "claim" - seems like he's trying to come up with something good without actually having anything ready. Still feel good about my vote on him.

And I feel better about tom now actually; He actually has suspicions not just summaries with is always good to see. I kind of agree on boko, but for the stupidest reason ever - I didn't like his usage of italics when he assured me he was town. I'll go back and look him over later, he's not terribly pressing to me right now.

and also holy crap sceptile, did anyone else notice him randomly come in, say sbell looks like town due to his most recent post, then proceed to call him a fool for not fulling claiming? Screams scumbuddy to me, like why would he care if sbell claimed or not if he thought he was town.

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WalrusJump
02/07/12 9:39:00 PM
#33:


From: Tom Bombadil | #029
also still don't get how people can have eagles as a major suspect

yes I am meta-ing that one question he asked

but out of all the times something similar has happened has it EVER been a clever scum ploy

occam's razor dudes


occulams razor says you are scum - masterplum

I'm using that question as a nulltell. If a scum busses his teammate, the simplest explanation would be that he's town, but bussing exists.

Don't derive your conclusions from that.

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Tom Bombadil
02/07/12 9:39:00 PM
#34:


dante you did not answer my question I asked if you wanted to be bff :(

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X_Dante_X
02/07/12 9:40:00 PM
#35:


wow I completely missed that

You know what, sure. I'll be your bff!

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02/07/12 9:41:00 PM
#36:


Occam's Razor is certainly not a be-all and end-all in mafia, but I feel it's somewhat valid here. I've seen variations on this argument a lot of times, and I am pretty sure that every single time the dude's been clueless town. It takes a lot of work for scum to catch up to a noob before the game, convince him to ask something inane, and otherwise not help him to not be a noob, all for the sake of giving credibility to....a noob, who will find a way to screw it all up eventually.

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XIII_rocks
02/07/12 9:41:00 PM
#37:


-Spiral? Most of the Spiral/XIII fight went in one eye and out the other, but it IS a bit disconcerting to see Spiral not more adamant.

Lots of people saying stuff like this and nobody DOING anything about it.

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Tom Bombadil
02/07/12 9:42:00 PM
#38:


he just barely makes it onto my suspect list dude

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Achromatic
02/07/12 9:45:00 PM
#39:


Anyway I know I am all insane and stuff but I really do have good reads in general. This kind of act is very classic scum Sbell. I have a town tell on him based off his reactions to me poking and prodding him, and this is the complete opposite of it. I ask that you guys trust the best mafia player in the game who has already shown himself to be going good today/

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Tom Bombadil
02/07/12 9:47:00 PM
#40:


chris we might go an entire game without me having to bust out the paper hat

nah who am I kidding

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Achromatic
02/07/12 9:47:00 PM
#41:


Tom.

YOU CAN BE MY FAITHFUL SIDEKICK.

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Tom Bombadil
02/07/12 9:48:00 PM
#42:


oh boy oh boy

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Articuno2001
02/07/12 9:49:00 PM
#43:


I'd rather lynch Walrus. His 'scum team' are three newbies (yes, plus the one that claimed confirmable) and me (who is not voting for him for the reason he stated above. There's a bigger reason he seems to have missed). Either that or Silver, who is consistently making bad posts when he's actually here, which is infrequent as is.

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Achromatic
02/07/12 9:52:00 PM
#44:


From: Articuno2001 | #043
I'd rather lynch Walrus. His 'scum team' are three newbies (yes, plus the one that claimed confirmable) and me (who is not voting for him for the reason he stated above. There's a bigger reason he seems to have missed). Either that or Silver, who is consistently making bad posts when he's actually here, which is infrequent as is.


Arti play ball with me and I'll play ball with you. You may have a point about Walrus, and I'll be sure to think it over. But Arti I am asking you to put some faith in my logic. You know I am town, screw what boko and drak say "lol not confirmed" I am confirmed. You know how good I am when I am on, and you should remember the bad, bad things I did to scum Sbell in Bible.

Let's do this.

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Tom Bombadil
02/07/12 9:52:00 PM
#45:


hey dante

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WalrusJump
02/07/12 10:02:00 PM
#46:


From: Articuno2001 | #043
I'd rather lynch Walrus. His 'scum team' are three newbies (yes, plus the one that claimed confirmable) and me (who is not voting for him for the reason he stated above. There's a bigger reason he seems to have missed). Either that or Silver, who is consistently making bad posts when he's actually here, which is infrequent as is.


So you voted me for leaving you and voting for Kracko. That's more reasonable. I'm not going to challenge that it looks bad - Sceptile said that a fifth vote on you at that early juncture didn't add anything to the game, and that made me rethink my initial vote itself.

But a large part of your initial suspicion was from that stupid "ignoring votes" thing, and that was why I voted you in the first place. Plus I still hold that I don't see anything wrong with Silver. You said that you called him out for bad logic on you and he didn't respond. I've looked and your "callout" was:

From: Articuno2001 | #294
I don't even know where to begin with this, as I thought I was disinterested in Chaos Mafia more than most people (no offense Drakeryn) because I rolled a vanilla with absolutely no flavor.


so your response to silver implying you're not motivated to catch scum compared to in Chaos was "I wasn't even motivated in Chaos"? No wonder he didn't feel the need to respond. Your suspicion of him is little more than countersuspicion.

ok i'm actually done for the night. lynch arti.

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eaedwards6400
02/07/12 10:03:00 PM
#47:


I'm here and catching up but I noticed this as I glanced through this topic...

From: SBell0105 | #005
Ok, I'm going to bed and not going any further on my claim.

You wanna lynch me, lynch me. I'm Town Power but at least this way Scum has NO idea who to hit at night and there is a better chance at them hitting Town Vanilla then the rest of you managing to make a correct lynch.


Is it bad that I don't like the way this sounds?

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XIII_rocks
02/07/12 10:03:00 PM
#48:


From: Tom Bombadil | #038
he just barely makes it onto my suspect list dude


Well he should be HIGHER ON THAT LIST

DANTE!
DANTE!
DANTE!

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Achromatic
02/07/12 10:05:00 PM
#49:


We need more votes.

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Dark_Spiral
02/07/12 10:09:00 PM
#50:


Anyways be back in a few.

Looking forward to it.
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