Board 8 > George Lucas is retiring.

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From: paperwarior | #050
So he won't be making sequels/prequels to Red Tails?

He will as long as they're not "blockbusters"

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George Lucas seemed to think that any compromise messed with his vision. He seemed to think that only he was capable of knowing what was best for his franchise. He blatantly disregarded the work other writers and creators had built around his own works, and instead of acknowledging them with gratitude he proceeded to ignore them and do his own thing.

I can't really fault Lucas for this. The Expanded Universe is pretty f***ing huge, and to go through and figure out what should be canon and all that junk. It's easier for him to just say the stories he's told are canon, because the EU spends a decent amount of time contradicting itself on a regular basis.

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From: paperwarior | #050
So he won't be making sequels/prequels to Red Tails?

He wants other directors to make those. He might help produce them

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I dunno why whether or not fans are whiny or whatever matters, George has not put out a decent film as a director or producer in decades and needs to retire.

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He totally earned his 3 billion.

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From: TheRock1525 | #042
I bought the originals when I was working at Hollywood Video, and that was only a couple years ago.
you bought the laser disc versions. They originals have long since been destroyed

Except they didn't have any of the alterations everyone b****es about. So they may as well be the originals.

That set is now out of print. In fact, all versions of the original trilogy except for the latest blu-ray version are now out of print. And if Lucas has his way, it will stay that way. He has stated that he wants the older versions to disappear and be forgotten about. 100 years from now, he wants the latest edit of the trilogy to be the only one that anyone even knows existed.

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Yeah, the EU is huge and contradicts itself all the time (admittedly not as much as it used to). But I got the impression that he didn't even try. And maybe you could argue that his story should come first by default. I dunno if I'd argue that though.

I would. Why exactly was Lucas obligated to these EU writers? If it didn't fit his vision for the films, he should have every right to create his own stories. It's his IP. The fact that his stories weren't very good is largely irrelevant to the issue of creative control.

It's like (and I'm using an example only you and I will get) if Ian Flynn wrote this storyline for the comic book, and it came out really well and was one of the best written Sonic stories ever. But it involved Sonic being turned into a robotic cyborg that travels through time. Should SEGA feel obligated to go "well, this story is so good I guess we have to change the Sonic canon now."

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That set is now out of print.

Guess...

YOU'RE TOO SLOW!

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Ed Bellis posted...
From: TheRock1525 | #058
I would. Why exactly was Lucas obligated to these EU writers? If it didn't fit his vision for the films, he should have every right to create his own stories. It's his IP. The fact that his stories weren't very good is largely irrelevant to the issue of creative control.
I never said he should be obligated to conform to prior EU works. It just would've been nice to see a nod here and there. That's all I'm saying. Lucas outright ignored everything which hey, maybe it's his right, whatsoever. But it's still annoying. All you'd even need is just a split-second reference or something, and that would be fine. Instead it's like he went out of his way to only reference the original trilogy (Anakin being raised on Tatooine? Seriously?), but that gets into quality and isn't quite what I'm saying.

The EU issue is not as important as my other points regardless. I just brought it up because it irritates me on a personal level and because it's indicative of Lucas being out of touch with others creatively. The other things I said are more important.

References are the bane of all story-telling. I'm glad this point isn't important because it's not very good. References? Really, you think a reference here or there would cause any sort of improvement to the PT?

Oh and to answer your second paragraph: anything Ian writes will probably be inherently better than what Sega writes so it would be in their best interest to incorporate it. Duh.

Unless, of course, his new vision of Sonic takes away his super speed. Then it completely undermines a core concept of Sonic the Hedgehog. Doesn't matter if the story is great or not.

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Ed Bellis posted...
From: TheRock1525 | #062
References are the bane of all story-telling. I'm glad this point isn't important because it's not very good. References? Really, you think a reference here or there would cause any sort of improvement to the PT?
When did I ever bring up quality? All I am saying is that it would have been nice to see an offhand reference to something, not for the quality but just for a nice throwback. References can be fine if they're done well, y'know. And it would've been a fun way for Lucas to just give a nice little bonus to people who are familiar with extra material, which would've indicated that he shows some degree of appreciation and respect for everything they do. That's all. Sheesh!

Yeah, but you're using it against Lucas as if there's something inherently wrong with not referencing this material. That, by not referencing it, he's not showing any appreciating for the EU and other writers. Which I don't think that's fair to Lucas. He could be greatly appreciate the works of the EU, but that doesn't mean he's required to put it in his movies. He doesn't have to put a "wink-wink" moment in the movies to show what he thinks about the EU.

For all we know, he sends gold bars to everyone that worked on the EU. Lord knows he's can afford it.

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By the way, George's own words on the EU:

"After Star Wars was released, it became apparent that my story—however many films it took to tell—was only one of thousands that could be told about the characters who inhabit its galaxy. But these were not stories that I was destined to tell. Instead, they would spring from the imagination of other writers, inspired by the glimpse of a galaxy that Star Wars provided. Today, it is an amazing, if unexpected, legacy of Star Wars that so many gifted writers are contributing new stories to the Saga."

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Cause it was the only point that really bothered me. The rest I was with you on.

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