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WiggumFan267
01/15/12 2:33:00 PM
#351:


well that was ****.

Just go for it next time.

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stoneraider
01/15/12 2:33:00 PM
#352:


I saw it too frame by frame neon. ball to me was not in his hands while he was still airborne

It's impossible to tell for sure. His arm was away from his body but it's still possible to maintain possession. The call should have stood since there wasn't enough evidence to the contrary.
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Suprak the Stud
01/15/12 2:33:00 PM
#353:


Terrible call leading to points for the Packers.

Poor Giants.

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01/15/12 2:34:00 PM
#354:


Packers literally toying with the Giants

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SmartMuffin
01/15/12 2:34:00 PM
#355:


But it's clear that they can't do this consistently correctly, in any sport.

And it's also clear that replay doesn't change that fact. Except in Tennis.

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xp1337
01/15/12 2:35:00 PM
#356:


From: SmartMuffin | #355
But it's clear that they can't do this consistently correctly, in any sport.

And it's also clear that replay doesn't change that fact. Except in Tennis.


To be fair, the Packers already won an obvious challenge earlier in the game. Given the field position the Giants would have had if that kickoff was ruled a fumble, I think it's a little difficult to say that replay hasn't changed anything... even in this game.

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th3l3fty
01/15/12 2:36:00 PM
#357:


From: SmartMuffin | #348
lol surprise onside kicks

the one area where I vehemently disagree with TMQ logic


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RappinHobo9292
01/15/12 2:38:00 PM
#358:


White Vick

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LeonhartFour
01/15/12 2:38:00 PM
#359:


Aaron Rodgers best RB on the field today

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JaKyL25
01/15/12 2:38:00 PM
#360:


From: SmartMuffin | #355
And it's also clear that replay doesn't change that fact. Except in Tennis.


Replay allows them to get MORE calls right than they otherwise would have.

I'll agree entirely that the manner in which NFL replays (and MLB replays) are handled is dumb. There's no need for the head official to have to go get under a hood. Just have some booth official buzz down with the ruling. The process can totally be streamlined.

But to me, getting even a net gain of one call correct that would otherwise be called incorrectly with no replay means that the concept is a positive.

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xp1337
01/15/12 2:39:00 PM
#361:


From: LeonhartFour | #359
Aaron Rodgers best RB on the field today

Put Matt Flynn in at QB and move Rodgers to RB, IMO. Unstoppable offense.

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LeonhartFour
01/15/12 2:40:00 PM
#362:


Patriots learned the value of Hernandez at RB. Packers are learning the value of Rodgers at RB.

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RappinHobo9292
01/15/12 2:40:00 PM
#363:


Drop Bay Droppers

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stoneraider
01/15/12 2:40:00 PM
#364:


Rodgers needs to start passing the ball to himself.
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WiggumFan267
01/15/12 2:41:00 PM
#365:


From: xp1337 | Posted: 1/15/2012 5:39:26 PM | #361
Put Matt Flynn in at QB and move Rodgers to RB, IMO. Unstoppable offense.


That sounds like a scary team honestly

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SmartMuffin
01/15/12 2:42:00 PM
#366:


But to me, getting even a net gain of one call correct that would otherwise be called incorrectly with no replay means that the concept is a positive.

So, if every game took an extra 30 minutes because of replay, but only one in one hundred calls was reversed, you'd still consider that positive?

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JaKyL25
01/15/12 2:46:00 PM
#367:


Yes. Without even thinking about it.

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SmartMuffin
01/15/12 2:47:00 PM
#368:


Wow. That's crazy. But thanks for the clarification!

So, I assume you'd be in favor of eliminating the "the ref has only 60 seconds to decide" rule, then? After all, giving him more time to look increases the odds he'll make the correct call, right?

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JaKyL25
01/15/12 2:47:00 PM
#369:


It's kind of a moot question though.

Literally every play of every NCAA game is reviewed, and their games are SHORTER than NFL games.

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RappinHobo9292
01/15/12 2:48:00 PM
#370:


MORGAN BURNETT

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WiggumFan267
01/15/12 2:49:00 PM
#371:


Nice throw.

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JaKyL25
01/15/12 2:51:00 PM
#372:


From: SmartMuffin | #368
So, I assume you'd be in favor of eliminating the "the ref has only 60 seconds to decide" rule, then? After all, giving him more time to look increases the odds he'll make the correct call, right?


If he honestly thinks that going back over the same footage for longer will increase his odds of coming to a conclusive decision, then sure.

I would in fact be very curious to know how often a ref felt that he wanted to keep reviewing but felt the time crunch and had to stop.

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xp1337
01/15/12 2:52:00 PM
#373:


Honestly, I don't really get the "oh no the game will be longer" argument. I'd rather wait a little longer but be sure the calls are correct.

If I were in charge I'd change the challenge system. You'd still have the two and get a third if you win both, but I'd say if you win the third, you just keep getting one more challenge until you lose one. If the refs keep getting the calls wrong, I don't see why you shut down the team that's calling them out on it correctly just for trying to fix their mistakes.

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stoneraider
01/15/12 2:53:00 PM
#374:


lol fumble
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WiggumFan267
01/15/12 2:53:00 PM
#375:


ROLLEIN'
ROLLEIN'
ROLLEIN'


KEEP THAT FOOTBALL ROLLEIN'

ROLLE'EM BACK


ANTRELLLLLLL

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SmartMuffin
01/15/12 2:53:00 PM
#376:


You should never be penalized for an incorrect challenge in any way under any circumstance. But that's just one of many flaws with the current system!

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JaKyL25
01/15/12 2:55:00 PM
#377:


From: xp1337 | #373
If I were in charge I'd change the challenge system. You'd still have the two and get a third if you win both, but I'd say if you win the third, you just keep getting one more challenge until you lose one. If the refs keep getting the calls wrong, I don't see why you shut down the team that's calling them out on it correctly just for trying to fix their mistakes.


Exactly. The NFL system is ridiculous in structure.

IMO, you should have infinite correct challenges, and incorrect challenges should cost you a timeout, and you should have as many of those as timeouts.

Like, I don't care if you get three challenges wrong per half, as long as every one of them cost you a timeout.

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WiggumFan267
01/15/12 2:55:00 PM
#378:


The "get an extra challenge" idea and execution are both pretty dumb as well.

Hey, you realized we ****ed up! Heres another one to give us more incentive to do so!

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xp1337
01/15/12 2:56:00 PM
#379:


From: SmartMuffin | #376
You should never be penalized for an incorrect challenge in any way under any circumstance. But that's just one of many flaws with the current system!

No, I think the penalty for an incorrect challenge is justified. If you could do it for "free" you could basically call unlimited timeouts.

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SmartMuffin
01/15/12 2:56:00 PM
#380:


Err, I should have said "correct" challenge. You should never be penalized if the REFS were incorrect.

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JaKyL25
01/15/12 2:56:00 PM
#381:


I think SMuffin meant "correct challenges" there.

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JaKyL25
01/15/12 3:00:00 PM
#382:


Although again, the NCAA system is ideal.

Every play being reviewed by a booth official, and he will buzz down if he thinks something might be amiss.

And then both coaches have one challenge which they can use to FORCE the replay official to take an extended look at something if they really really think he's gonna miss it.

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RappinHobo9292
01/15/12 3:03:00 PM
#383:


From: JaKyL25 | #382
Although again, the NCAA system is ideal.

Every play being reviewed by a booth official, and he will buzz down if he thinks something might be amiss.

And then both coaches have one challenge which they can use to FORCE the replay official to take an extended look at something if they really really think he's gonna miss it.


That could lead to something like the Pac-12 refs though

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JaKyL25
01/15/12 3:10:00 PM
#384:


HOLY BALLS

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RappinHobo9292
01/15/12 3:10:00 PM
#385:


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SmartMuffin
01/15/12 3:10:00 PM
#386:


xfd

nice timeout, mccarthy

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JaKyL25
01/15/12 3:11:00 PM
#387:


HELMET CATCH 2

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WarThaNemesis2
01/15/12 3:11:00 PM
#388:


OH MY GOD THAT WAS AMAZING

(referring to emotion from buck)

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WiggumFan267
01/15/12 3:11:00 PM
#389:


HAKEEM

THE MOTHER****ING DREAM


Quadruple coverage


And Wonderfully ELITE

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xp1337
01/15/12 3:13:00 PM
#390:


I'm beginning to think the onside kick was actually a good tactical move. McCarthy might have (should have) been thinking that with his defense it doesn't really matter where on the field the Giants get the ball, so you might as well go with the play that has the best shot for a Packers recovery.

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01/15/12 3:17:00 PM
#391:


I think if the Packers offense can actually play halfway competently (Read: Catch the ball) they can still win this. But the way it's been going so far...

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JaKyL25
01/15/12 3:18:00 PM
#392:


Only Matt Flynn can save them now

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RappinHobo9292
01/15/12 3:19:00 PM
#393:


From: WiggumFan267 | #389
HAKEEM

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Quadruple coverage


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XD more like 4 WRs vs 2 DBs

God we are so bad today

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xp1337
01/15/12 3:20:00 PM
#394:


From: JaKyL25 | #392
Only Matt Flynn can save them now

Well, I assumed that was a given. If they put Flynn in, he'll probably throw for 600 yards and 9 TDs.

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SmartMuffin
01/15/12 3:23:00 PM
#395:


From: RappinHobo9292 | #393
XD more like 4 WRs vs 2 DBs

God we are so bad today


Yeah, this.

It looked like the Packers were listening to Joe Buck and expecting some quick short-yardage play to set-up a FG. As soon as Eli threw that ball I saw about twice as many white jerseys in the end-zone as green ones and thought there was a decent chance a Giant would come down with the ball.

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xp1337
01/15/12 3:24:00 PM
#396:


Yeah, the moment I saw the shot of the endzone and the (lack of) Packers defenders I expected a TD.

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WiggumFan267
01/15/12 3:31:00 PM
#397:


Yeah as it turns out I guess it wasnt quadruple coverage, woops!

Still had a lot of pressure on him though.

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WiggumFan267
01/15/12 3:32:00 PM
#398:


Also geez, we really can't do anything about these rodgers runs.

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xp1337
01/15/12 3:33:00 PM
#399:


From: WiggumFan267 | #398
Also geez, we really can't do anything about these rodgers runs.

Should just defend those tbqh, the Packers' receivers are doing a fantastic job of covering themselves.

(And of course they actually complete one just now, but still)

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WiggumFan267
01/15/12 3:37:00 PM
#400:


TRULY....


Corr"osi"ve????

...to the other team???

There's gotta be a better word here...

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