Board 8 > Capcom must be really proud of their FMVs... (AJ Case 3 Spoilers)

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Mik_Pick
01/10/12 5:29:00 PM
#1:


Oh my god the last day of Case 3 in Apollo Justice. You see the concert performance sooo many times. Then there'll be instances where the Judge will be like "Let's see that again!"

Also, some weird explanations in this case. Someone can't speak English, then they can, but now someone else can't speak English. Someone can't see, but then they can, and now someone else can't see. Also, the whole Valant being the other Lamiroir, and the game straight up telling you who the killer is half way through.

Anyways, tl;dr: 4-3 is in the bottom 3 cases IMO. (Not counting 1-1 or 2-1 since those hardly count).

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Rad Link 5
01/10/12 5:32:00 PM
#2:


From: Mik_Pick | #001
Someone can't speak English, then they can, but now someone else can't speak English. Someone can't see, but then they can, and now someone else can't see.


It's part of a deeper theme within the game about how for you to gain, someone else has to lose.

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th3l3fty
01/10/12 5:32:00 PM
#3:


4-3 is the worst case in the entire series

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MrSmartGuy
01/10/12 5:33:00 PM
#4:


From: th3l3fty | #003
4-3 is the worst case in the entire series


Sounds about right.

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Xiahou Shake
01/10/12 5:33:00 PM
#5:


I'd say 1-1 and 2-1 are far better than 4-3!

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Kenri
01/10/12 5:34:00 PM
#6:


4-3 isn't that bad.

Anyways, tl;dr: 4-3 is in the bottom 3 cases IMO. (Not counting 1-1 or 2-1 since those hardly count).

Although it probably is this bad.

I still enjoyed it though.

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Mik_Pick
01/10/12 5:35:00 PM
#7:


Xiahou Shake posted...
I'd say 1-1 and 2-1 are far better than 4-3!

Oh so do I, it's just both are really short.

I'd say the other bottom tier cases are 2-3 and 3-2, though I haven't played either recently so that could change.

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SuperAngelo128
01/10/12 5:35:00 PM
#8:


I liked 4-3

sure the concert thing was repetitive but it was kinda amusing that they kept repeating

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Rad Link 5
01/10/12 5:36:00 PM
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From: Mik_Pick | #008
I'd say the other bottom tier cases are 2-3 and 3-2, though I haven't played either recently so that could change.


What is this crap?

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LeonhartFour
01/10/12 5:36:00 PM
#10:


From: Mik_Pick | #008
I'd say the other bottom tier cases are 2-3 and 3-2


I'd say the other bottom tier cases are... 3-2


bottom tier case...3-2


what am I reading here

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Articuno2001
01/10/12 5:36:00 PM
#11:


From: th3l3fty | #003
4-3 is the worst case in the entire series


this, but 2-3 is close.

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th3l3fty
01/10/12 5:38:00 PM
#12:


nothing is close to 4-3

other cases have flaws here and there, but 4-3 is scarred to its very core

like the fact that it would be literally impossible for a kid that size to fire that gun without breaking multiple bones

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LeonhartFour
01/10/12 5:38:00 PM
#13:


4-2 and 4-3 are the two worst cases in the series.

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LeonhartFour
01/10/12 5:39:00 PM
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From: th3l3fty | #012
like the fact that it would be literally impossible for a kid that size to fire that gun without breaking multiple bones


The most absurd part is that they repeatedly mention that even a grown adult firing it improperly could result in serious injury.

But a young boy being able to fire it without repercussion is a-okay, to the point that this argument is never even brought up.

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Rad Link 5
01/10/12 5:41:00 PM
#15:


From: LeonhartFour | #013
4-2 and 4-3 are the two worst cases in the series.


Some days I hate 4-4 more, just for
a) being such a slap in the face.
b) not making a damn lick of sense at all. To the point where fans have had to pull **** out of their ass to explain how the things in that case happened.

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th3l3fty
01/10/12 5:44:00 PM
#16:


MASON SYSTEM

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LeonhartFour
01/10/12 5:45:00 PM
#17:


I don't really mind the Mason System, honestly. There are much bigger problems with 4-4 than that.

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Mik_Pick
01/10/12 5:46:00 PM
#18:


th3l3fty posted...
MASON SYSTEM

This too. I remember before Apollo Justice came out Capcom was like "AMAZING NEW GAMEPLAY, THERE IS NOW A JURY."

When all it actually is is a win button at the end of the case.

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th3l3fty
01/10/12 5:47:00 PM
#19:


I don't mean the stuff at the end of the case

I mean the stuff with Phoenix

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Rad Link 5
01/10/12 5:48:00 PM
#20:


And I don't think I've actually tried, but what happens if you lose all your meter on that case, anyway?

Does Udgey just say he's heard enough and let the jury deliberate? Where they rule Guilty?

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Rad Link 5
01/10/12 5:49:00 PM
#21:


From: th3l3fty | #019
I don't mean the stuff at the end of the case

I mean the stuff with Phoenix


Apollo picks up evidence in the future.

Phoenix presents it in the past.

A perfect system.

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Mik_Pick
01/10/12 5:55:00 PM
#22:


I'm still wondering if we're even going to see AA5 at this point. Capcom seems to be confused on what to do with Apollo.

Btw this is me plugging the link in my sig.

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Rad Link 5
01/10/12 5:57:00 PM
#23:


I've put forth the idea that they're waiting for the dust to kind of settle before doing anything with AA5. The longer they wait, the hungrier fans of the series will be, and the more tolerant they'll be of whatever direction they decide to go in just because they're finally getting the game.

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LeonhartFour
01/10/12 6:01:00 PM
#24:


From: Rad Link 5 | #021
Apollo picks up evidence in the future.

Phoenix presents it in the past.

A perfect system.


That's not what actually happens though.

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Rad Link 5
01/10/12 6:06:00 PM
#25:


From: LeonhartFour | #024
That's not what actually happens though.


That's how the game makes it seem like it's happening.

Any explanation I've ever read for it has required tons of assumptions on the reader's part. I'm not willing to give the game the benefit of the doubt by that point. Not after 4-2 and 4-3.

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th3l3fty
01/10/12 6:07:00 PM
#26:


I thought it was all Phoenix myself

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LeonhartFour
01/10/12 6:08:00 PM
#27:


From: Rad Link 5 | #025
That's how the game makes it seem like it's happening.


Considering Apollo Justice has nothing to do with the Mason System, not really.

The Mason System is just a simulation anyway.

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Rad Link 5
01/10/12 6:09:00 PM
#28:


From: LeonhartFour | #027
The Mason System is just a simulation anyway.


Which is, honestly, even worse than Phoenix presenting evidence from the future considering that comes out of nowhere after an hour or two of using it.

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LeonhartFour
01/10/12 6:10:00 PM
#29:


I don't really care. Being able to play as Phoenix for even a little bit of Apollo Justice and not have him be completely brutalized by the stupidity of 4-0 was the best part of the game.

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Rad Link 5
01/10/12 6:13:00 PM
#30:


It was, but that's like being the best part of a Justin Bieber song. Not a huge accomplishment.

I agree there are worse parts of 4-4 (like 4-0 itself), but it's just such a silly idea that I feel it's the perfect punctuation mark for my feelings on AJ's writing.

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LeonhartFour
01/10/12 6:14:00 PM
#31:


From: Rad Link 5 | #030
but that's like being the best part of a Justin Bieber song. Not a huge accomplishment.


Yeah, except for the part about it actually being enjoyable.

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Rad Link 5
01/10/12 6:15:00 PM
#32:


Well, to each his own, then. I was too bitter over 4-0 to even think of enjoying it.

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WiggumFan267
01/10/12 6:16:00 PM
#33:


4-3 isnt that bad and not close to the bottom anyway

Mostly because you can't just "not count" 1-1 and 2-1. Unless you want to discount 3-1 and 4-1. Those are 2 great 'tutorial' cases so why take out 2-1 and 1-1

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LeonhartFour
01/10/12 6:16:00 PM
#34:


That doesn't surprise me.

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LeonhartFour
01/10/12 6:16:00 PM
#35:


From: WiggumFan267 | #033
4-3 isnt that bad and not close to the bottom anyway

Mostly because you can't just "not count" 1-1 and 2-1


Even counting 1-1 and 2-1, it's the worst!

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Rad Link 5
01/10/12 6:18:00 PM
#36:


From: WiggumFan267 | #033
4-3 isnt that bad and not close to the bottom anyway


I'm afraid to ask, but what is your bottom, then? Which cases can you possibly have below 4-3?

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Paratroopa1
01/10/12 6:18:00 PM
#37:


4-3 is the second best case in AJ.

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WiggumFan267
01/10/12 6:20:00 PM
#38:


From: Rad Link 5 | Posted: 1/10/2012 9:18:10 PM | #036
I'm afraid to ask, but what is your bottom, then? Which cases can you possibly have below 4-3?


1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 2-3, 4-2.

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Rad Link 5
01/10/12 6:22:00 PM
#39:


From: LeonhartFour | #034
That doesn't surprise me.


Leon, do you read my posts as though I'm being a prick?

Because sometimes it seems as though when you respond to me, you are reading my posts as though I'm trying to be a prick.

I'm not, by the way!

From: WiggumFan267 | #038
1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 2-3, 4-2.


I know some people hate 2-3. I know some people don't care at all for 1-1 and 2-1. And I don't see the argument for 4-2 being worse, but

1-2? That's a first.

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LeonhartFour
01/10/12 6:22:00 PM
#40:


I read your posts like you're a sourpuss because you often come across that way.

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WiggumFan267
01/10/12 6:23:00 PM
#41:


1-2 is just pretty slow and boring.

Sure 4-3 has plot holes, and the AMV 50 times, and doesnt make much sense but its much more entertaining imo than any of the cases I said.

Also, I don't really 'hate' any of the cases.

The only case I 'don't care for' is 2-1.

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Not_Wylvane
01/10/12 6:24:00 PM
#42:


4-4 is pretty much Phoenix Wright playing a f***ing puppet-master and manipulating everything just so he could give one giant "F*** you" to the guy who ruined his career. He even rigged the jury to add the defense attorney's mother on there.

Then again, the entire game was a disappointment after 4-1. The only thing to look forward to after that was how Phoenix was going to piss everyone off next.

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WiggumFan267
01/10/12 6:24:00 PM
#43:


From: WiggumFan267 | Posted: 1/10/2012 9:23:57 PM | #041
Sure 4-3 has plot holes, and the AMV 50 times, and doesnt make much sense but its much more entertaining imo than any of the cases I said.


except maybe 2-3, that is.

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WiggumFan267
01/10/12 6:26:00 PM
#44:


From: Not_Wylvane | Posted: 1/10/2012 9:24:11 PM | #042
4-4 is pretty much Phoenix Wright playing a f***ing puppet-master and manipulating everything just so he could give one giant "F*** you" to the guy who ruined his career. He even rigged the jury to add the defense attorney's mother on there.


This isn't necessarily a bad thing!

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Not_Wylvane
01/10/12 6:30:00 PM
#45:


From: WiggumFan267 | #044
This isn't necessarily a bad thing!


The bad thing is that it's the only redeeming part of that whole case. Apollo doesn't even get a chance to shine. By Phoenix's fourth case, he defeated Manfred van F***ing Karma. Apollo meanwhile gets railroaded by Phoenix and even the prosecutor.

Plus I hated almost all the new characters. And everything made no sense. And the entire game was all about Phoenix Wright without him actually being playable.

The more I think about Apollo Justice, the more I hate it.

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Rad Link 5
01/10/12 6:32:00 PM
#46:


From: LeonhartFour | #040
I read your posts like you're a sourpuss because you often come across that way.


Oh. No, I just have fun making fun of things. My posts would probably come across more like they're intended if I used emoticons or "lol" or even more frequent exclamation points. But I don't.

Anyway just wanted to make sure you didn't think I was going out of my way to be a prick to you.

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WiggumFan267
01/10/12 6:32:00 PM
#47:


Yeah def much worse that PW, but I think that if AJ came first, maybe with no Phoenix, then we got the AA trilogy, I'd like AJ more.

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LeonhartFour
01/10/12 6:33:00 PM
#48:


From: WiggumFan267 | #047
Yeah def much worse that PW, but I think that if AJ came first, maybe with no Phoenix, then we got the AA trilogy, I'd like AJ more.


Apollo Justice would've been much better without Phoenix being in it.

Like, you can keep the Hobonix character in the game. He just shouldn't be Phoenix Wright.

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RappinHobo9292
01/10/12 6:47:00 PM
#49:


You know who was a good character who had his potential wasted?

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Not_Wylvane
01/10/12 6:47:00 PM
#50:


The problem isn't even so much that the Hobo character was Phoenix Wright, but rather that said character dominated the game so much. Mia saved Phoenix's ass a lot, but she didn't control everything and by the end served more as Phoenix's partner, while in AJ Phoenix just did whatever the f*** he felt like, like rigging a jury.

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