Board 8 > Famitsu readers rank the 50 greatest Nintendo games

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MalcolmMasher posted...
So that's FE4 at #11, FE3 at #16, FE1 at #47, and nothing more recent makes the list? Unexpected.

Fits the rest of the list, which has almost nothing made after 1993.

See also: the only Metroid games on the list are Metroid 1 and Metroid 2.

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Wanglicious posted...
yeah, if you're gonna complain about a zelda game making the list:


7. Legend of Zelda NES


should be it.

Why would you complain about the Zelda with the most gameplay depth being #1?

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what do weaboos have to do with a japan magazine

you're not weaboo for actually being japanese

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From: Lightning Strikes | #100
Best RPG of the decade is wtf it is.

rpg huh

so is it just the latest game that gets overrated on a bunch of lists as a result of it's recency

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th3l3fty posted...
64 > Galaxy > Galaxy 2 > World > 3 > 1 > 2US


This man knows his main series Mario games.

I was fine with SMB being #1 on the list, however, because of how influential it was in the gaming industry. I was just glad it wasn't the typical "hay guyz letz put a Zelda game at #1 without giving it any thought lolololol"

I also loved Super Mario 64 and Super Mario RPG cracking the top ten.

But overall, the list is definitely a train wreck.

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smk is unplayable these days. jeez hm, join the rest of us in a place where kart racing actually plays well.

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that place is not with the Mario Kart series!

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it's with some of them.
not the original anyway. that thing's horrible.

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sounds like transience is vaguely backing Crash Team Racing as well, I approve

Diddy Kong Racing best kart game

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UltimaterializerX posted...
Weaboos happened to it.
>Weaboos
>Actual Japanese People

wat

UltimaterializerX posted...
I don't live in Japan.

Famitsu readers do!

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it's with some of them.
not the original anyway. that thing's horrible.

I suppose you like it better with near-unavoidable blue shells, POW blocks (because lightning just wasn't enough!), and dragged items removing the skill from defence.

SMK is great; there's a reason it's close to the top game for the system despite not having a proven series name to fall back on.

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Wanglicious posted...
yeah, if you're gonna complain about a zelda game making the list:


7. Legend of Zelda NES


should be it.

hell no

*waves hands*

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Zelda 1 is where it should be.

As a matter of fact, Super Mario Kart is where it should be!

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usually people who dislike SMK don't like the controls from my experience

hell yes. zelda 1 + age = bad. gimme pretty much any outside of 2 over that.

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From: OmarsComin | #118
people who dislike SMK

*shudder*

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controls are bad, the art style is horrible, the way it manages what you see on screen is really, really crap, and there are far too few items to have fun. yes, some entries have gone waaay overboard with the items. some haven't. just entirely not fun, old, and shows both of those.

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it does not require you to be a graphics whore to realize something is terribly wrong with this game by modern standards. everything about its presentation is really, really bad.

and the gameplay ain't much better!

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5. Mother 2 SNES

*leaves*

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From: Wanglicious | #121
far too few items to have fun

lol

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Wanglicious posted...


I see nothing wrong here! Good items, good speed, no technical problems (hello N64), 8 characters on a track. This is a good Mario Kart game.

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it does not require you to be a graphics whore to realize something is terribly wrong with this game by modern standards. everything about its presentation is really, really bad.

Usually when one wants to make an argument one cites things that are bad about the presentation!

It looks fine to me. Actually, the biggest thing I'm taking from that video, which the series as a whole could sorely use, is how fast it is compared to modern Mario Karts. I still enjoy most of them (been playing MK7 a lot over the past two weeks!) but seriously, within 20 seconds of the race's start, player has picked up an item (without waiting a zillion years to see it scroll through WHAT item he or she was going to receive), dodged through the entire set of enemy racers, used a mushroom to take a shortcut, made several power slides, completed a lap, and dodged a fireball attack not by dragging an item, but by seeing and reacting to it!

Whatever you think of the game's presentation it's clear to me that MK could learn a lot just by looking at this game again.

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Galaxy 2 isn't even on the list and it is the best Mario game

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Man, what's with people hating on the original Legend of Zelda. It's awesome. So is Adventure of Link.

This list is atrocious though yeah.

^ good post

Whoops, referring to NeoElfBoy, though Zelda I and II are great!

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Paratroopa1 posted...
Man, what's with people hating on the original Legend of Zelda. It's awesome. So is Adventure of Link.

This list is atrocious though yeah.

It's just horribly outdated and nearly unplayable. It may not be "fair" to compare it to modern games, but you don't see anyone saying the Model T is the best car that's ever come out.

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The first two Zelda games are definitely the worst in the series (discounting the original Four Swords, which is basically a tech demo). They're loaded with technical limitations that just stop the game from being fun. And frankly, when you compare the... everything... to the rest of the series, it's a substantially worse experience.

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lots of driving off the track in that video!

SMK is nowhere near unplayable

it's a low tier Mario Kart, but still not unplayable



if you want unplayable Mario Kart, it's the GBA game. I tried playing it since it's a free 3ds ambassador title, and dear got it's a complete wreck. Then I saw its metacritic rating of 93 and my brain exploded a little.

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From: Lightning Strikes | #131
The first two Zelda games are definitely the worst in the series (discounting the original Four Swords, which is basically a tech demo). They're loaded with technical limitations that just stop the game from being fun. And frankly, when you compare the... everything... to the rest of the series, it's a substantially worse experience.

literally thinks Phantom Hourglass isn't the worst Zelda game ever

care to list some of these technical limitations by the way? Maybe my tastes just differ wildly from yours

the level of challenge in Zelda 1 and 2 is definitely not worse than all the other games btw, if anything the games need to return to that higher degree of difficulty, Z-targeting turned most combat into easy mode

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original Zelda is my favorite Zelda game, and I don't like anything after LTTP. :D

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From: WazzupGenius00 | #135
literally thinks Phantom Hourglass isn't the worst Zelda game ever

Phantom Hourglass is fun!

worst is Minish Cap

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NeoElfboy posted...
and dodged a fireball attack not by dragging an item, but by seeing and reacting to it!.

You are heavily overrating the skill involved in dodging a stationary item.

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From: MarvelousGerbil | #130
Paratroopa1 posted...
Man, what's with people hating on the original Legend of Zelda. It's awesome. So is Adventure of Link.

This list is atrocious though yeah.

It's just horribly outdated and nearly unplayable. It may not be "fair" to compare it to modern games, but you don't see anyone saying the Model T is the best car that's ever come out.

I bet you think Zork 1 is "unplayable" too!

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From: WazzupGenius00 | #135
literally thinks Phantom Hourglass isn't the worst Zelda game ever

Spirit Tracks?

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Definitely a rather weird list.

As for the Metroid series, its director (Yoshio Sakamoto) generally has more of a fondness for the original than for Super Metroid from what I've seen, and it seems that usually when Japanese gamers think of that series, they think of the original Metroid before anything else in the series comes to mind.

Japanese gamers' opinion on that series is rather warped compared to what you'd usually hear, though. For instance, Famitsu gave Other M a higher score than it gave to Fusion or any of the Prime games, and I wouldn't be surprised if the case was similar commercially.

It's also kinda weird seeing Metroid II rated as second-highest in the series seeing how it's usually considered to be one of the weaker entries in the franchise (for instance, on unikgamer, it's 3rd last in the series, slightly ahead of Hunters and almost 300 spots behind Other M - and Pinball is so easily last there it isn't even funny).

As far as the Zelda series is concerned, Ocarina of Time, The Wind Waker, and Skyward Sword all received perfect scores FYI (when I saw SS ahead of WW, I felt like checking). Also, ironically enough, Famitsu gave Skyrim a perfect score - who says Japanese gamers don't care about Western games?

Speaking of Western games, the following all have near-perfect scores in Famitsu:

Grand Theft Auto IV
Red Dead Redemption
L.A. Noire
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
Call of Duty: Black Ops
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
Gears of War 3
FIFA 12

Uh oh, where're the Mass Effects, Uncharteds, and Portals? Instead we get all this casual crap making headway, ugh.

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GuessMyUserName posted...
if you want unplayable Mario Kart, it's the GBA game. I tried playing it since it's a free 3ds ambassador title, and dear got it's a complete wreck. Then I saw its metacritic rating of 93 and my brain exploded a little.

I don't understand the hate the GBA game gets. I found it decent enough; in particular, it's the only SMK I've played that I felt had really good character balance, and it has the best Rainbow Road in the series. What do people dislike about it exactly? Other times when I've asked this question, people just tell me they found it unmemorable; which...is very subjective so I can't really object to it. So...I'm curious--what makes it a "complete wreck"?

MarvelousGerbil posted...
It's just horribly outdated and nearly unplayable. It may not be "fair" to compare it to modern games, but you don't see anyone saying the Model T is the best car that's ever come out.

Outdated in what way? The only things newer Zelda games added that I'd want to see added is like...story, and an in-game map system. Actually, all things considered I'm probably just as happy without unskippable cutscenes, so actually nevermind the story >_>

Unplayable? How so? You face directions and stab things with your sword. That's like saying Pac-Man is unplayable.

Seriously, I can understand allegations that, say, Metroid 1 is unplayable; I can see how people would be frustrated by the fact that you can't crouch, can't shoot down, start with 30/700 energy, need to write down ridiculously long passwords, and the fact that the game is ridiculously glitchy. I can see how that kind of stuff would frustrate a modern player. But...I actually can't think of anything that would make Zelda 1 unplayable to a modern gamer. Other than the fact that the challenge level is higher than modern zeldas which only remove 1/16 of a heart when you get hit.

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TimJab posted...
rpg huh

so is it just the latest game that gets overrated on a bunch of lists as a result of it's recency

Man why do people always have to say stuff like "oh it's only popular because X". Why can't people just like something because they think it's good? And given Xenoblade's reception (from both critics and fans) I wanna say that a lot of people think it's good. So there you go.

WazzupGenius00 posted...
From: Lightning Strikes | #131
The first two Zelda games are definitely the worst in the series (discounting the original Four Swords, which is basically a tech demo). They're loaded with technical limitations that just stop the game from being fun. And frankly, when you compare the... everything... to the rest of the series, it's a substantially worse experience.
literally thinks Phantom Hourglass isn't the worst Zelda game ever

care to list some of these technical limitations by the way? Maybe my tastes just differ wildly from yours

the level of challenge in Zelda 1 and 2 is definitely not worse than all the other games btw, if anything the games need to return to that higher degree of difficulty, Z-targeting turned most combat into easy mode

The first thing that comes to mind is not being able to move in eight directions. Even though certain enemy attacks can. That's hilariously frustrating. There are more though, which generally apply to general game design. The puzzles, for instance. Or the terribly written, confusing hints you get from NPCs. And just for the record, the original's challenge was a joke. Some of the most unbalanced difficulty I've ever seen in a game, due to simple poor design. I mean, the game's difficulty spikes up and down wildly, ranging from the hardest Zelda game to the easiest on a whim. Just two dungeons after one of the hardest parts of the entire series (those Wizzrobes) you're so ridiculously overpowered that you can stomp the last boss with no effort whatsoever, not even having to dodge his attacks. And when the game is difficult, it's rarely fair difficulty (see prior points about movement and especially hints). What few puzzles are more than just "move the right block" are incredibly obtuse. I mean, what kind of clue is "GRUMBLE GRUMBLE".

And while Phantom Hourglass is very flawed, it had enough strengths to make it the better game. Weakest non-NES, non-FS game in the series, but to its credit all of the games above it are outright fantastic.
Dauntless Hunter posted...
Spirit Tracks?

That one would be closer to best.

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From: Lightning Strikes | #144
I mean, what kind of clue is "GRUMBLE GRUMBLE".

And yet somehow people figured it out. The instruction manual told you that the Food item you buy from stores was something enemies craved. That's your hint.

I'll agree that if I was re-releasing Zelda 1 today I would translate some of the Old Man text better, but that's probably it as far as alterations that need to be made.

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