Board 8 > I finished Persona 4 today.

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OmarsComin
12/30/11 11:23:00 PM
#1:


I am convinced that it is the best RPG ever. When I first played Persona 3, I thought to myself "wow this is so good, no way is Persona 4 as good as this." But it is. Better characters (best I've run into in an RPG), better handling time deadlines, better social links.

I suppose the story is less important than Persona 3's - 3's stakes are higher, and in the Persona universe I suppose 3's characters and actions matter more. But 4 is still a well-told story with a great atmosphere. It's more charming, and that's saying a lot since P3 was pretty charming as well.

Only a couple bad things.

-Having to figure out clues about a couple of the characters wasn't too fun. Those felt like fetch quests and I can't say I approve.

-Instant deaths/game overs are an issue in both games. I think if you removed those altogether you wouldn't really lose anything.

-There's quite a few "gotcha" moments. Like "this guy is the killer, oh whoops just kidding" and then "actually this guy is, oh wrong again." Given how they explain in the ending that you avoided every wrong turn and found the truth, I'm willing to forgive that. It fits well with the theme.

Those are minor complaints. Persona 4 is awesome. I hope they make a 5!
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SMOKEDOG42O
12/30/11 11:24:00 PM
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Play Skyrim.

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SuperAngelo128
12/30/11 11:24:00 PM
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agreed 90%

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tereziWright
12/30/11 11:25:00 PM
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I am convinced that it is the best RPG ever.

Absolutely.

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SMOKEDOG42O
12/30/11 11:26:00 PM
#5:


Play Skyrim.

Edit: Play Skyrim because it will become your favorite RPG ever. My fiancee and I have been looking for good JRPGs to play lately and we've both kind of settled on P4, actually - it should be here soon. I'm not trashing on your amazing experience, I'm just saying...

play Skyrim.

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swirIdude
12/30/11 11:27:00 PM
#6:


I am convinced that it is the best RPG ever.

100% factual statement.

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tereziWright
12/30/11 11:27:00 PM
#7:


9 hours of Skyrim played.

Really no desire to touch it again.

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OmarsComin
12/30/11 11:28:00 PM
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One weird thing to think about is that because of how the time system is setup, there's never really an opportunity tohave a post-game. This isn't like FF7 where you clear the final cutscene and then go max all your materia and levels and beat the optional bosses and beat all the sidequests for the next 40 hours. Having a New Game + makes that work though.
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OmarsComin
12/30/11 11:29:00 PM
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I've played a couple of hours of Skyrim and like it. I'm waiting for a PS2 -> USB controller adapter to come in so I can play with a controller on my PC, I think that'll be an improvement. I've been holding off on the game while waiting for that.
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SMOKEDOG42O
12/30/11 11:30:00 PM
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From: OmarsComin | #009
I've played a couple of hours of Skyrim and like it. I'm waiting for a PS2 -> USB controller adapter to come in so I can play with a controller on my PC, I think that'll be an improvement. I've been holding off on the game while waiting for that.


Ah, that's a fair point. I'm much more of a controller person myself, too.

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Kotetsu534
12/30/11 11:31:00 PM
#11:


Truly amazing game.

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OmarsComin
12/31/11 2:56:00 PM
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I wonder if you're supposed to get the good ending your first time through without a guide. You have to do some pretty specific stuff.
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swirIdude
12/31/11 2:59:00 PM
#13:


From: OmarsComin | #012
I wonder if you're supposed to get the good ending your first time through without a guide. You have to do some pretty specific stuff.


If you have been paying attention, you should at least avoid the Bad Ending.

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SHINE GET 64
12/31/11 3:00:00 PM
#14:


it must be quite a game to be better than Mother 3

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Peace___Frog
12/31/11 3:12:00 PM
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P4 is so good, but I think P3's music pushes it over the edge for me in "favorite RPG"

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swirIdude
12/31/11 3:17:00 PM
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From: Peace___Frog | #015
P4 is so good, but I think P3's music pushes it over the edge for me in "favorite RPG"


It's a strength of both games. Uematsu has nothing on this.

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OmarsComin
12/31/11 3:20:00 PM
#17:


I feel like P3 has cool and hip music, and P4 has friendly music

both good
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RappinHobo9292
12/31/11 3:21:00 PM
#18:


P4 best game ever!

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OmarsComin
12/31/11 3:30:00 PM
#19:


now that I've officially finished both, character ranking time!

1 Yosuke
2 Chie
3 Junpei
4 Akihiko
5 Yukiko
6 Kanji
7 Shinjiro
8 Naoto
9 Yukari
10 Mitsuru
11 Fuuka
12 Aigis
13 Teddie
14 Rise
15 Ken

I'm not ranking the dog

Nanako and Dojima are probably top 5 or just below top 5 if you include them
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htaeD
12/31/11 3:32:00 PM
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yeah P3 had higher stakes, but P4 had a better story otherwise

and after Nyx Avatar I was happy to not get another endboss like him, not that Nyx Avatar wasnt totally awesome

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OmarsComin
12/31/11 3:34:00 PM
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yeah I agree Nyx is kind of a pain. a good experience once but it takes too long.

oh yeah speaking of Nyx, I'm glad P4 ended on a happy note. I don't think I could deal with another P3 ending.
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TurnTurnTurn
12/31/11 3:35:00 PM
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I am convinced that it is the best RPG ever.

Star Ocean 2.

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baron von toast
12/31/11 3:43:00 PM
#23:


From: OmarsComin | #019
12 Aigis
14 Rise


What is wrong with you.

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RappinHobo9292
12/31/11 3:44:00 PM
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From: baron von toast | #023
What is wrong with you.


I know right? How could he put Aigis that high?

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OmarsComin
12/31/11 3:46:00 PM
#25:


Rise is the worst, and I am indifferent towards Aigis
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Some_Character
12/31/11 3:47:00 PM
#26:


Why won't you rank Koromaru? He's great.

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pyresword
12/31/11 3:49:00 PM
#27:


Persona 3>Persona 4 by a long shot imo.

The atmosphere was totally different in the two games. Persona 4 felt way too much like one big joke for me to take it seriously, whereas the vast majority of Persona 3 was tense and exciting.

Disclaimer: I only got about 15 or 20 hours through Persona 4 the time I played it, so if it gets significantly better after that than I may be wrong. I do plan on finishing it at some point though.

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OmarsComin
12/31/11 3:53:00 PM
#28:


Persona 4 gets pretty friggin dramatic and tense towards the end. Yosuke yelling at everything and car chases and all sorts of stuff. Overall the atmosphere is more lighthearted though for sure.

Why won't you rank Koromaru? He's great.

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Leebo86
12/31/11 3:58:00 PM
#29:


P4 was not tense or exciting?

The whole time when a certain character gets kidnapped and rescuing that character was like... the most intense thing I've experienced in a game. I was like, on a mission, man.

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OmarsComin
12/31/11 3:59:00 PM
#30:


I really like how it changed from "once a month you fight a boss" to "you have x number of days to finish this dungeon." Really changed the whole character IMO and for the better.
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Sceptilesolarbeam
12/31/11 4:04:00 PM
#31:


I way prefer P4 in general. P3 was fun, but P4 just has way better characters.

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OmarsComin
12/31/11 8:51:00 PM
#32:


I wonder if Persona 5 will come out for 360. If not, it's pretty much the only game that might cause me to pick up a PS3. I haven't liked a series this much in a while. The last time I was willing to buy a console for one game was FFX.
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Leebo86
12/31/11 8:52:00 PM
#33:


There's a decent chance of it, considering the release of Catherine for 360.

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OmarsComin
12/31/11 8:54:00 PM
#34:


That's good, I hope so. The brief search I did for "Persona 5" has someone saying it's going to be a while before it's out. I wonder what that means.
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Leebo86
12/31/11 8:54:00 PM
#35:


It hasn't been announced.... so, that's probably what that means.

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ZFS
12/31/11 9:15:00 PM
#36:


Persona 4 great game

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OmarsComin
12/31/11 9:20:00 PM
#37:


It hasn't been announced.... so, that's probably what that means.

right but some dude from the company said they've started work preliminary work on it and are using their own engine so it might take a while. hopefully it's not FFVersus13 "a while"
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Leebo86
12/31/11 9:26:00 PM
#38:


I was hoping when they started Persona Monthly in November that they'd use that as a platform to officially get some P5 details out there.

But they haven't yet.

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OmarsComin
12/31/11 9:29:00 PM
#39:


Persona Monthly

what is this thing

it sounds excellent
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Leebo86
12/31/11 9:30:00 PM
#40:


A monthly magazine.

Just for Persona stuff.

It is indeed excellent.

Of course, I'm basing that on scans and stuff, since I haven't spent $40 to import a copy >_>

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SSBM_Guy
12/31/11 9:57:00 PM
#41:


Teddie so low. What. I guess I can see why. And Kanji only at #6? Oh well.

how about dat adachi and dojima. But yes, P4 is amazing. I liked some things about P3 and how it raised the stakes, but P4 seems like a much more complete game overall.

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OmarsComin
12/31/11 10:02:00 PM
#42:


Teddie and Aigis are on my "indifferent towards" area, I don't dislike them. Teddie did have some good moments for sure.

Adachi and Dojima are both so good. Adachi having that sudden character shift after you out him was jarring though. He seems like a likable guy when he's visiting for dinner. I guess that's the point.
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OmarsComin
12/31/11 10:03:00 PM
#43:


also I like Kanji a lot

the top 8 all strike me as pretty excellent characters. But Yosuke and Chie are the best and Junpei and Akihiko are pretty great too, couldn't justify putting Kanji over any of them
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ZFS
12/31/11 10:07:00 PM
#44:


Yosuke > Chie > Teddie > Yukiko > Kanji > Naoto is how I'd go for P4.

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OmarsComin
12/31/11 10:15:00 PM
#45:


our lists are the same except you have Teddie way higher, so not bad!

and no Rise in sight, excellent
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WhoopsyDaisy
12/31/11 10:29:00 PM
#46:


Everything about P4 is better except the music. The worst characters in P4 (Yukiko and Naoto) are better than everyone but the best characters in P3 (Aigis and Yukari and MAYBE Junpei).

And Rise is awesome and Akihiko is the 2nd worst character in P3, so wtf @ those rankings.

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Tehmoosey1
12/31/11 10:56:00 PM
#47:


I liked Akihiko when I first played P3, but I'm not liking his design in the fighting game.

Just... why did they give him the K9999 cape?

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Peace___Frog
12/31/11 11:06:00 PM
#48:



I'm not ranking the dog



... wat

I loved Koromaru


Also, Nyx wasn't that hard if you did the bonus dungeon stuff >_>

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ZFS
01/01/12 12:07:00 AM
#49:


Oh yeah, Rise. Stick her around Kanji.

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swirIdude
01/01/12 12:17:00 AM
#50:


Koromaru is better than over half the cast of P3, so not ranking him is a sham.

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