Board 8 > Justin Wong is currently watchin Siglemic attempt to break the SM64 record

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CalvinbalI
12/22/11 10:10:00 AM
#101:


aw c'mon that wasn't that big of a mistake =(

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PurpleMonkDish
12/22/11 10:11:00 AM
#102:


ugh

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TimJab
12/22/11 10:11:00 AM
#103:


wait WTF happened?

i went to the bathroom and when i came back the intro was playing

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JaKyL25
12/22/11 10:12:00 AM
#104:


You can't get the star until Koopa gets to the top of the mountain.

So he just sets his time to guarantee that he beats Koopa, then in the downtime goes and opens up the cannons, and then gets back up to the top to get the star.

He could just start the race, get the cannons, and then go win the race, but then you risk running into Koopa as he trots up the mountain I guess.

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TimJab
12/22/11 10:12:00 AM
#105:


ah

i didn't realize the cannons stayed open once you went back to the castle

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JaKyL25
12/22/11 10:12:00 AM
#106:


CALVINBALL'D

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metroid composite
12/22/11 10:12:00 AM
#107:


TimJab posted...
what did he just do with koopa the quick?

he went all the way to the finish line and then ran all the way back to the beginning


Well you can't actually get the star until Koopa reaches the finish line, so he went and spoke to the bob-ombs to open up the cannon.


This latest reset was silly, though; ok, so you missed your triple jump; why not like...jump into the cannon? you only lost 10 seconds >_>

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TimJab
12/22/11 10:13:00 AM
#108:


CALVINBALL'd

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CalvinbalI
12/22/11 10:13:00 AM
#109:


From: TimJab | #100
what did he just do with koopa the quick?

he went all the way to the finish line and then ran all the way back to the beginning


No matter what, Koopa The Quick will take a certain amount of time to get to the top, and he has to wait for him. So he runs up to finish the race, then goes back down to open up the cannons in the meantime so he can use them later.

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TimJab
12/22/11 10:13:00 AM
#110:


JAKYL'd

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JaKyL25
12/22/11 10:13:00 AM
#111:


From: TimJab | #106
ah

i didn't realize the cannons stayed open once you went back to the castle


Yeah, every level is like that. Once you've talked to Pink Bob-Omb and opened the cannons once, they stay open on that level forever.

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PurpleMonkDish
12/22/11 10:14:00 AM
#112:


metroid composite posted...
TimJab posted...
what did he just do with koopa the quick?

he went all the way to the finish line and then ran all the way back to the beginning

Well you can't actually get the star until Koopa reaches the finish line, so he went and spoke to the bob-ombs to open up the cannon.


This latest reset was silly, though; ok, so you missed your triple jump; why not like...jump into the cannon? you only lost 10 seconds >_>


10 seconds is huge

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CalvinbalI
12/22/11 10:15:00 AM
#113:


From: TimJab | #103
wait WTF happened?

i went to the bathroom and when i came back the intro was playing


He messed up an accelerated triple jump he was gonna use with a wing cap to fly to the floating island. Probably cost him about fifteen seconds

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metroid composite
12/22/11 10:15:00 AM
#114:


Oh, snap, I got 3RD PAGE'D

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Xuxon
12/22/11 10:16:00 AM
#115:


From: Paratroopa1 | #066
I sort of missed the final time on that run, what exactly was it? And why does his file say 119 stars at the end?

Also, I missed a couple of big segments of it (especially between CCM and SSL), did he make any huge mistakes that cost him a lot of time? It seems amazing that he could beat the game that fast and still be like a minute off.


It was 1:49:06. It's 119 stars because he never saves on stars that don't send you out of a painting but just give you a yes/no option.

I don't know about "huge" mistakes but he made some sizeable ones. He lost like 10 seconds on the triple jump in SSL, and lost like 15 in Bowser in the Fire Sea. But mostly it was a lot of like, 1-5 second mistakes IIRC.

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JaKyL25
12/22/11 10:17:00 AM
#116:


From: PurpleMonkDish | #112
10 seconds is huge


Just exactly how "perfect" is the current World Record run?

How much margin for error does Siglemic actually have?

I guess the point where the runs "meet" is going up to the second floor right? I saw people saying that the WR route and Sig's route prior to going up to the second floor are dissimilar. I wonder what time the WR run hit the 2nd floor.

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JaKyL25
12/22/11 10:19:00 AM
#117:


Also, is there ANY trick to the Cannonless star, or is it just dumb luck to hit like the exact right pixel at the exact right angle at the exact right time?

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Xuxon
12/22/11 10:20:00 AM
#118:


From: JaKyL25 | #105
So he just sets his time to guarantee that he beats Koopa

He could just start the race, get the cannons, and then go win the race, but then you risk running into Koopa as he trots up the mountain I guess.


That isn't quite it. Once you finish the race Koopa starts moving faster, so it does make the star go by quicker to go up first.

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JaKyL25
12/22/11 10:20:00 AM
#119:


Oh really? I never knew!

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CalvinbalI
12/22/11 10:22:00 AM
#120:


The runs are only really dissimilar in level order, I imagine. Ideally you'd want to travel the shortest amount of distance in between paintings, but Sig goes straight to the level with canonless because that star is a b**** to get. He probably loses five or so seconds just because he hast to travel back to Bob-Omb Battlefield.

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Xuxon
12/22/11 10:23:00 AM
#121:


From: JaKyL25 | #116
Just exactly how "perfect" is the current World Record run?

How much margin for error does Siglemic actually have?

I guess the point where the runs "meet" is going up to the second floor right? I saw people saying that the WR route and Sig's route prior to going up to the second floor are dissimilar. I wonder what time the WR run hit the 2nd floor.


Someone in Sig's stream said he did TTC up until going into the final pipe 1:10 faster than Nero. Nero's run before that is godly though, so that 1:10 is pretty much Sig's entire margin for error. Might be another 10 or 20 seconds.

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CalvinbalI
12/22/11 10:23:00 AM
#122:


From: Xuxon | #118
That isn't quite it. Once you finish the race Koopa starts moving faster, so it does make the star go by quicker to go up first.


I did not know this. Quite clever.

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WazzupGenius00
12/22/11 10:25:00 AM
#123:


Did he just reset after getting cannonless right? I wasn't watching what happened beforehand so maybe he screwed up something else.

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metroid composite
12/22/11 10:26:00 AM
#124:


PurpleMonkDish posted...
10 seconds is huge

Ehh...

inhuman perfection (TAS) is about 10 minutes faster than 1:47. Any single segment human run is going to be making a decent number of 5-15 second mistakes; the world record run actually has deaths in it, from what the chat claims.

I mean, obviously if you're two stars in, and you make a 10 second mistake, sure, reset. But 20 stars in? Ehh...that seems questionable.

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CalvinbalI
12/22/11 10:26:00 AM
#125:


Yeah I just caught that too. I noticed his time was past 3:00 which isn't too good for just getting cannonless.

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PurpleMonkDish
12/22/11 10:27:00 AM
#126:


JaKyL25 posted...
From: PurpleMonkDish | #112
10 seconds is huge
Just exactly how "perfect" is the current World Record run?

How much margin for error does Siglemic actually have?


Basically, the decision to restart hinges on several variables. The amount of time he's taken so far, how many previous mistakes he's made and how bad they were, the difficulty of the current star (i.e. how long he expects that particular star to take to get), and how many mistakes he expects to make later. Losing 10-15 seconds alone is fine, but he knows he has to allow room for errors later, so on something relatively early (say, under 30 minutes of gameplay) where it should take next to no time, losing 10-15 seconds is probably worth a reset.

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ExThaNemesis
12/22/11 10:27:00 AM
#127:


he is BEASTING on this run right now

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JaKyL25
12/22/11 10:28:00 AM
#128:


From: CalvinbalI | #120
The runs are only really dissimilar in level order, I imagine. Ideally you'd want to travel the shortest amount of distance in between paintings, but Sig goes straight to the level with canonless because that star is a b**** to get. He probably loses five or so seconds just because he hast to travel back to Bob-Omb Battlefield.


Well you HAVE to go away from Bob-Omb Battlefield and then back to it at some point anyway, to get the Wing Cap, so I don't think in the long run he loses any time there.

I mean, you can definitely get every star on BOB without the Wing Cap (I do every time I play), but for World Record Speed Running purposes you kinda need it.

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Xuxon
12/22/11 10:32:00 AM
#129:


From: JaKyL25 | #128
Well you HAVE to go away from Bob-Omb Battlefield and then back to it at some point anyway, to get the Wing Cap, so I don't think in the long run he loses any time there.

I mean, you can definitely get every star on BOB without the Wing Cap (I do every time I play), but for World Record Speed Running purposes you kinda need it.


In Nero's route he backwards longjumps into Bowser's level first, so he only has to go to BOB once. But the time dicking around setting up the backwards longjump costs almost as much time as it saves even if you do it perfectly, according to Sig.

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azuarc
12/22/11 10:32:00 AM
#130:


oh wow, still going, huh

Too bad I have to go to work. ><
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JaKyL25
12/22/11 10:32:00 AM
#131:


Goomba'd in the Dark World.

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shadosneko
12/22/11 10:32:00 AM
#132:


Man, his game is quiet.

lolreset

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ExThaNemesis
12/22/11 10:32:00 AM
#133:


Oh my god that is the worst.

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Pirateking2000
12/22/11 10:32:00 AM
#134:


Goomba: LOL NOPE

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Mik_Pick
12/22/11 10:32:00 AM
#135:


Hilarious.

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CalvinbalI
12/22/11 10:32:00 AM
#136:


f****in' Goomba

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WazzupGenius00
12/22/11 10:32:00 AM
#137:


lol dead

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PurpleMonkDish
12/22/11 10:37:00 AM
#138:


He said it was luck based. Yeah ok. So the slight mess-up earlier which changed the timing of arriving where the goomba wouldn't normally be had nothing to do with it. Right.

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TimJab
12/22/11 10:37:00 AM
#139:


From: JaKyL25 | #116
Just exactly how "perfect" is the current World Record run?

How much margin for error does Siglemic actually have?


according to the chat, nero died twice during the record run

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shadosneko
12/22/11 10:39:00 AM
#140:


I honestly couldn't imagine spending this much time on one single player game.

He's probably put over 1000 hours into it.

Although, he's probably getting tons of ad revenue from this.

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Hannyabal
12/22/11 10:46:00 AM
#141:


Cannonless first try!

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WazzupGenius00
12/22/11 10:50:00 AM
#142:


stream chat literally arguing about .999~=1 and religion simultaneously

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shadosneko
12/22/11 10:52:00 AM
#143:


From: WazzupGenius00 | #142
stream chat literally arguing about .999~=1 and religion simultaneously


.999~=1

the bible says so

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PurpleMonkDish
12/22/11 10:53:00 AM
#144:


He's probably put over 1000 hours into it.


3000, actually. It says it in his FAQ.

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McMoogle
12/22/11 10:53:00 AM
#145:


He's doing all this with a 64 controller? I wouldn't trust any 64 controller nowadays with the joystick getting wonky after usage/age. Or does he have a stockpile of new controllers and breaks them out for 64 speed runs?

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shadosneko
12/22/11 10:56:00 AM
#146:


From: PurpleMonkDish | #144
He's probably put over 1000 hours into it.


3000, actually. It says it in his FAQ.


Yeah, there's no way I would spend that much time playing 1 game.

It honestly seems like a waste at that point.

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greengravy294
12/22/11 11:07:00 AM
#147:


Cool

>_>

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The Mana Sword
12/22/11 11:08:00 AM
#148:


Good run so far.

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shadosneko
12/22/11 11:13:00 AM
#149:


he's got this

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shadosneko
12/22/11 11:14:00 AM
#150:


i take that back

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