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ShadowHalo17 12/30/11 12:25:00 PM #101: |
Yeah sidequests are pretty bland and repetitive. Especially since most of the side planets are all the same, just somewhat different terrain. You'll have to drive around a lot with the crappy Mako, and then probably find and enter a building and fight enemies.
Some of them can be challenging, others are just... bleh. It's necessary though. -- ~Halo Now you learn the mistake of challenging me. http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2734/hieis.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PrivateBiscuit1 12/30/11 12:26:00 PM #102: |
Also, lol this picture.
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ShadowHalo17 12/30/11 12:55:00 PM #103: |
Why the crap do you have Ashley on your team ever? Use Wrex dang it.
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PrivateBiscuit1 12/31/11 5:11:00 PM #104: |
I was rotating to see if anyone was less vapid if they were on your team.
They barely are. Edit: Also! No update today. -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1 Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SHINE GET 64 12/31/11 5:15:00 PM #105: |
needs more hot shepard on asari action
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ShadowHalo17 12/31/11 5:20:00 PM #106: |
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SHINE GET 64 12/31/11 5:20:00 PM #107: |
that's in the sequel!
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ShadowHalo17 12/31/11 5:21:00 PM #108: |
<_<
I wasn't sure if that was spoilerific so I deleted it. But so what if it's in the sequel! It's still better. -- ~Halo You're not the brightest. http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/907/bandfinisher.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PrivateBiscuit1 12/31/11 5:25:00 PM #109: |
I would have hot Shepard on Asari action, but every time Liara opens her stupid mouth, I wish there was an option on the dialogue wheel for Shepard to tell her to shut the hell up.
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ShadowHalo17 12/31/11 5:27:00 PM #110: |
I prefer listening to Liara's voice than Ashley's racist annoying voice.
Also there's the Asari hooker in the Citadel. -- ~Halo Now you learn the mistake of challenging me. http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2734/hieis.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PrivateBiscuit1 01/01/12 6:11:00 PM #111: |
May or may not play today. But tomorrow absolutely.
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baron von toast 01/01/12 6:42:00 PM #112: |
I'm replaying ME1 and 2 for a fresh save file that involves not romancing anyone in the first game. Originally went with the best of two bad options because I didn't know better, but now I can spurn them both! And in the long run I might spurn everyone because Bioware romances are awful.
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SHINE GET 64 01/02/12 9:06:00 AM #113: |
http://tommyfilth.deviantart.com/
Mass Effect Monopoly! Sadly it was custom made so this is the only one -- http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/5261/082e4e38062bfea4ec6fc8e.jpg http://www.yourgamercards.net/trophy/a/CaptainRockman.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PrivateBiscuit1 01/02/12 1:07:00 PM #114: |
Back to the grind.
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vcharon 01/02/12 1:23:00 PM #115: |
Why argue about Liara and Ashley when you can just wait for ME2 to get the REAL girl?
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ShadowHalo17 01/02/12 1:50:00 PM #116: |
From: vcharon | #115 I hope by REAL girl you aren't referring to the generic human female. -- ~Halo Now you learn the mistake of challenging me. http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2734/hieis.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PrivateBiscuit1 01/02/12 3:16:00 PM #117: |
This game isn't a very good game.
And these side missions are really really repetitive and boring because the gameplay in this game is really boring. Is there any point in getting max Paragon? Because if not, I'm probably going to just not do the rest of these side missions and just finish the game. -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1 Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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vcharon 01/02/12 3:23:00 PM #118: |
It's a great game, heathen! Your paragon points will carry over to Mass Effect 2, and I think you get a different ending if you max one or the other (not sure on that 100%).
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PrivateBiscuit1 01/02/12 3:30:00 PM #119: |
Why is Mass Effect 1 a great game? I want to know why.
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ShadowHalo17 01/02/12 3:32:00 PM #120: |
You don't get a different ending based on your Paragon/Renegade points (at least I'm pretty sure you don't, it's just dependent on what your end choices are).
But something terrible happens if you don't do enough sidequests/raise your Paragon enough. -- ~Halo Give into the Night. http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/ShadowHalo/haloshadow1.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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vcharon 01/02/12 3:36:00 PM #121: |
Because it is? You either like it or you don't I guess, you've played it so me explaining to you why it's a good game would be pretty meaningless as you clearly don't like the things I do.
It's fun to play in my opinion (ME2 has better gameplay and all, but ME1 has more RPG elements to it) and the story is superb. -- :> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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baron von toast 01/02/12 3:37:00 PM #122: |
Why does Bioware hate neutrality. You either have to be a boy scout or a jerkface or you miss out on nice things.
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vcharon 01/02/12 3:38:00 PM #123: |
I think the Paragon/Renegade thing only affects what color the star is behind Shepard at the end of the game. But like he said, if you don't have enough points in one or the other you lose options to persuade/intimidate, and certain bad things can take place.
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ShadowHalo17 01/02/12 3:48:00 PM #124: |
From: baron von toast | #122 I agree. In the first game I just did whatever the crap I felt like, whether it was Paragon or Renegade. Then when I realized that didn't work out too well, I decided to be more Renegade in ME2. But even then I still got Paragon points sometimes because I didn't always care for the Renegade options. And on my second playthrough I really tried to be full Renegade and I STILL couldn't get all the way. It's ridiculous. -- ~Halo You're not the brightest. http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/907/bandfinisher.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PrivateBiscuit1 01/02/12 3:59:00 PM #125: |
From: vcharon | #121 lmao "It's a good game because it is!" Completely ridiculous. If storyline is the only thing that carries ME1, that's really sad. Because nothing else seems to be even remotely good in this game. -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1 Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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vcharon 01/02/12 4:08:00 PM #126: |
Like I said, I like the gameplay of it personally. I had a lot of fun with it, you didn't. I'm not really sure what else I can say about it beyond that. I'm not a big fan of shooters, but I like the ME series because it incorporates RPG elements into a game with guns that makes me feel more at home/comfortable playing. It's the right mix of action and strategy.
I'd note exploration as well, but you clearly dislike that too. I'm not going to say "this is what I like about this" and give a long winded answer on it if I already know you dislike it. ME2 *is* the better game, gameplay wise, so if you do like the story then I would suggest continuing the series. -- :> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ShadowHalo17 01/02/12 4:19:00 PM #127: |
^I'm in the same boat. The reasons you listed are about the same as mine.
I of course hated the Mako, but other than that it's a solid game and I enjoyed every aspect of it. ME2 is of course much better still. -- ~Halo You're not the brightest. http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/907/bandfinisher.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ryo8889 01/02/12 4:31:00 PM #128: |
I strongly disliked the gameplay of ME1 until I played Engineer and really discovered how fun powers and the like are.
I still like ME2 gameplay more, I find it more tense and faster. I have to say I disliked ME1 more with each playthrough thanks to the atrocious Mako and sidequesting but I still enjoyed it plenty. To say the story is the only good thing about it is going a bit overboard imo. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tcaz2 01/02/12 4:33:00 PM #129: |
ME1 is like in my top 15 favorite games ever.
ME2 is there too and higher on it, but still. Really solid gunplay with lots of options for different kinds of characters because of the RPG systems, likable characters, a great story set in a really fleshed out world, lots of good side quests (lots of bad ones too: see almost everything on the generic planets, but most everything on the citadel and a few others outside are great)... I don't see what's not to like aside from the mako stuff unless this just isn't your type of game. EDIT: Honestly though I do recommend people just to skip non-citadel sidequests on the whole unless they REALLY want to do them, though. They're definitely the worst part. -- http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2664/7b7aaa038007832d461b28c.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SHINE GET 64 01/02/12 5:04:00 PM #130: |
Everything from Virmire to the end is pretty great
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PrivateBiscuit1 01/02/12 5:35:00 PM #131: |
From: tcaz2 | #129 See, this reply is more like it. I have not seen any sort of solid gunplay in this game. In fact, I think it's been one of the sloppiest gun controls I've ever played. I've had a few people tell me the controls for weapons aren't good until the next game. The RPG system is rather poor, and the stats that are raised seem rather poorly organized, and the ideas around the various upgrades seem like they could have been much more refined. I mean, one of the upgrades for the powers upgrades the radius of the rest of your attack powers. What is that silliness? I cannot even fathom this game having likeable characters since all of them but two are so vacant and/or devoid of personality. The story seems pretty good, but I still haven't really gotten into it, and it seems like they thought a lot about their world, and they give you a ton of information on that. There are very, very, very, very, VERY few good side quests. It's all the same maps on the same re-colored worlds with the same three enemy types. I've quelled every single uprising in exactly the same way (most of the time in exactly the same kind of building too) and very few have had an imaginative story behind them. This seems like the kind of game I would really enjoy, but there's really not much to this game at all. It's poorly designed with goofy RPG elements, there are still glitches I run into, the characters have next to no personality save for a few and some are just plain annoying, and the gun controls are still not nearly as refined as they should be for a game like this, your allies are made out of fly paper most of the time, rendering them annoyingly worthless for the most part unless you upgrade ONLY the defensive kind of upgrades (which are mixed with other kind of upgrades for some reason), and the side quests are so annoyingly bad and similar to each other. Oh, and there are like, four different kind of enemies, so any time a cool one does come around, you get to enjoy it for a few moments until you fight 1,000x more of them who fight in exactly the same way. I'm going to finish this game, and I do hope that the storyline makes up for what is otherwise a lackluster gameplay experience. But I cannot fathom calling Mass Effect 1 a great game. -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1 Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SHINE GET 64 01/02/12 5:38:00 PM #132: |
it helped that the game takes place in my favorite possible fictional setting of a plausible future in outer space
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vcharon 01/02/12 5:53:00 PM #133: |
The thing is, you're in the minority. You're entitled to your opinion, but Mass Effect is critically acclaimed and most praise it as good. Obviously you don't have to like it, but acting like you can't see why others do is a little shortsighted.
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ShadowHalo17 01/02/12 5:54:00 PM #134: |
From: SHINE GET 64 | #132 Oh yes this is a major factor for me too. I absolutely love futuristic settings and such. -- ~Halo There is no Crane, only Scarecrow! http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3739/scarecrowq.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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vcharon 01/02/12 5:58:00 PM #135: |
Generally I prefer medieval fantasy, but Mass Effect really did cause me to embrace futuristic settings a ton because of how well done it was and how believable the story could be.
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baron von toast 01/02/12 6:04:00 PM #136: |
FUTURESPACE best setting. Only problems with the ME universe are the humans and the blue humans. Every other race is fun and interesting, even the midget space jews, but the humans are such massive buzzkills.
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ShadowHalo17 01/02/12 6:08:00 PM #137: |
The blue humans have a small explanation for why they resemble human females. Whether you choose to except the explanation is left up to the player, because I don't think it was confirmed. They may or may not look different depending on who's looking at them. Example, they resemble humans to us, while they may look more like a Turian to a Turian, etc.
Whatever you choose to believe, Asari are hot. I would totally do one. -- ~Halo Everybody run! http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6195/furriese.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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baron von toast 01/02/12 6:10:00 PM #138: |
Friggin asari mind flay. I don't trust them anymore after I learned that.
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tcaz2 01/02/12 6:38:00 PM #139: |
From: PrivateBiscuit1 | #131 See, this is what other people meant. Our opinions are completely opposite yours. I disagree that the characters are one note and boring, that the gunplay isn't solid, and that there aren't any good sidequests, and that the RPG system isn't good. Just flat out I don't think that. Most people don't. The game is critically acclaimed for almost everything you listed as a negative. There's really not much more to explain than that. -- http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2664/7b7aaa038007832d461b28c.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeydude15 01/02/12 9:38:00 PM #140: |
I really don't know why people are telling you to do all of the side missions, they are absolutely terrible and really should never be done unless you are trying to the god awful achievement on the 360. Seriously just stop where you are with them at this point since they take about as long as the main story line takes to do while the payoff for them is so little/insignificant in ME2 and have no benefit in ME1. That is unless you haven't been going just straight paragon or renegade, then i guess they pose a small purpose though even then it isn't the end of the world and isn't worth going through all that work if you are not enjoying the game in the first place.
As for the original Mass Effect as a whole, you kinda have to play it for the story since everything else about it is pretty average at best and that's it. It had a few working parts that made me get through it three times with the last time 100% it which made me never want to play the game ever again (so many bad side quests cannot be overstated) but really i would only recommend someone finishing it just by going straight through all of the story missions just so they can get it out of the way so they can start playing ME2. Every con you have is improved greatly in the sequel down to the characters actually showing some type of personality. I usually like to think of it as an Assassins Creed jump in quality from the first to the second. -- B8 resident lurker for 5 errrrr 6 years Currently Playing: Mass Effect, Assassins Creed 2 (just got a 360) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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vcharon 01/02/12 9:40:00 PM #141: |
I can agree with you about Ashley not being very good and perhaps Kaidan being a tad boring, but the other characters are just fine.
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hockeydude15 01/02/12 9:52:00 PM #142: |
Wrex and Garrus are great with Tali being just meh while both Ashley and Kaidan are just bad all around. Liara i always just saw here as like a infomercial on the Asari race rather than a meaningful character. Luckily this is only for the first ME since ME2 is sooooo damn good.
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PrivateBiscuit1 01/02/12 10:01:00 PM #143: |
It's very easy to not address any of the glaring problems in the game and then hide behind "Well it's got acclaim!"
I literally cannot even describe most of the characters in this game outside of their race. Liara is really, really terrible and just seems like a developer's alien wet dream. She's annoying, has nothing meaningful to say, is devoid of any personality, shows zero emotion or care for anything, and it seems like she's only there for you to pity and stick Shepard's wang into. -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1 Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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vcharon 01/02/12 10:06:00 PM #144: |
Again, it is terribly hard to argue with you when you present your arguments that way. I'm not really sure what you are expecting as a response here. Liara isn't a bad character. Definitely not my favorite or anything, but "devoid of any personality" is such a bold and incomprehensible statement that I can't even rightly reply to it. You can say you don't like her personality, but literally claiming she doesn't have one? Okay.
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PrivateBiscuit1 01/02/12 10:07:00 PM #145: |
Well, you could try explaining why she's a good character or what her personality is.
I feel that would be a terribly easy way to argue your side. -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1 Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JonthePenguin 01/02/12 10:20:00 PM #146: |
From: hockeydude15 | #140 I wanted to say only do the ones that actually matter to the characters, but I didn't want to spoil which ones they were. However, to mitigate that, Biscuit, you can look at the message detail to see which ones I mean; they'll be where these words here are. Also, there are legitimate gameplay-related reasons to get the achievements if you intend replays, since most of them come with some sort of bonus. You have to play the game at least three times doing the vast majority of the sidequests to get all of them though, so most people don't think it's worth it. Still, anytime I replay the game I can choose one of any biotic/engineer/weapon skill tree regardless of my class, and my exp gain, health, and shield strength are all boosted, with all skill recharge times dropping and a bit of permanent health regen to boot. (I went a little crazy last year and did almost all of them; my current Insanity playthrough is the only time I haven't done the sidequests in five full playthroughs. =P) -- JonthePenguin http://www.backloggery.com/main.php?user=erunion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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vcharon 01/02/12 10:30:00 PM #147: |
Obviously Liara's personality is that of a fairly sheltered asari that has invested her life in researching the Protheans. Her connection with Shepard exists because he came into contact with a beacon and was able to receive information, and obviously this would fascinate any scientist studying ancient cultures. She's awkward around other people because she is used to being alone (she tells you this) and can't usually pick up on puns or jokes. She's also obviously very compassionate despite all that, not just with Shepard, but with Saren as well as throughout missions if you bring her alone.
You've played the game, me having to describe a character is completely silly. The only time characters "lack a personality" is when it's a game like Final Fantasy and the characters are merely classes and there's not much of a story. You probably just don't like "sweet RPG heroine" archetypes, and I concede that is what Liara is to ME1. Most fans of hers didn't like her "changes" in ME2, but others found her a much more interesting character because of them. I'm in that crowd. I still don't rate her in the top half of the cast, but she's passable. Mass Effect is a game that relies on you spending time with your characters to really see their personalities develop. The unique dialogues go a long way to making the character, and if you just keep using Garrus and Wrex then you will see no one's reaction to anything you do outside of Garrus and Wrex. -- Save My contests are awful, without exception. Timjab is an amazing user, the eeveelutions suck, mark sanchez is the best qb in the league, and it wasn't Brock. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeydude15 01/02/12 10:50:00 PM #148: |
From: JonthePenguin | #146 I do agree that there are reasons to do the sidequests, just no reason for Biscuit to be doing them at all since it really doesn't seem like he is enjoying any part of the combat and even the character specific ones really aren't that necessary outside of the one we all know about. But even then i'm a big proponent on playing a game through first without really thinking about the final outcome it will have, you can always fix everything you didn't like on a second play-through where you breeze over most of the unimportant parts and can beat the game in half the time. The vanilla run of a game blind is always the best time. From: vcharon | #147 Each character outside of Wrex can be pretty unlikable from their normal dialog and bringing them along with you in missions really doesn't change who that character is at all. And really if you could just go as a duo of Shep and Wrex the whole game i totally would since that second ally is basically the "who does Wrex talk to in elevators" slot. -- B8 resident lurker for 5 errrrr 6 years Currently Playing: Mass Effect, Assassins Creed 2 (just got a 360) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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vcharon 01/02/12 10:59:00 PM #149: |
See, I disagree. I can't imagine how anyone doesn't like Tali and Garrus, and while I like Wrex as well I think he receives too much praise. ME2 will improve every character that returns, but my party was very often Tali and Garrus because they are the two that interested me the most as characters.
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tcaz2 01/02/12 11:26:00 PM #150: |
Yeah Tali and Garrus are awesome.
And it's pointless to say why we like the characters because you're just going to turn it around and say 'But they're not like that!' and 'That's not a personality!', same as you did for all the other pros I listed. The game just isn't for you. You don't like it. Everyone else likes what you don't. Get over it, and stop trying to find 'justification' for why people like it because you never will, as you'll never be satisfied with a reason when you dislike everything that we like about it. -- http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2664/7b7aaa038007832d461b28c.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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