Board 8 > Is NANOMACHINES the worst gaming Deus Ex Machina ever? (spoilers?)

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Aecioo 12/10/11 3:12:00 PM #1:	inb4 joke about Deus Ex The new trailer got me thinking about MGS4, and how NANOMACHINES, while it's become a fad and kind of a joke... is actually used a ton in the game as a terrible storywriting device to just explain things that needed to be explained. Is there a worse offender in gaming? -- http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcb35gGx0t1qailr4o1_500.gif http://www.megavideo.com/?v=57N0YAEJ <cite>Aecioo posted [p:537127] in Is NANOMAC... [t:61310148]...</cite> <quote> inb4 joke about Deus ExThe new trailer got me thinking about MGS4, and how NANOMACHINES, while it's become a fad and kind of a joke... is actually used a ton in the game as a terrible storywriting device to just explain things that needed to be explained.Is there a worse offender in gaming? -- http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcb35gGx0t1qailr4o1_500.gifhttp://www.megavideo.com/?v=57N0YAEJ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 12/10/11 3:13:00 PM #2:	A wizard did it. -- http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8718/leonflowchart.png <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:537128] in Is NANOMAC... [t:61310148]...</cite> <quote> A wizard did it. -- http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8718/leonflowchart.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperAngelo128 12/10/11 3:14:00 PM #3:	well people wanted explanations sooo -- http://img.imgcake.com/superangelo128/Higurashipicjpgaz.jpg <cite>SuperAngelo128 posted [p:537129] in Is NANOMAC... [t:61310148]...</cite> <quote> well people wanted explanations sooo -- http://img.imgcake.com/superangelo128/Higurashipicjpgaz.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aecioo 12/10/11 3:15:00 PM #4:	*SuperAngelo128 posted...* well people wanted explanations sooo Well yeah, but that doesn't change my question :( -- http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcb35gGx0t1qailr4o1_500.gif http://www.megavideo.com/?v=57N0YAEJ <cite>Aecioo posted [p:537130] in Is NANOMAC... [t:61310148]...</cite> <quote> SuperAngelo128 posted...well people wanted explanations soooWell yeah, but that doesn't change my question :( -- http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcb35gGx0t1qailr4o1_500.gifhttp://www.megavideo.com/?v=57N0YAEJ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 12/10/11 3:16:00 PM #5:	The dumb thing is, there was nothing wrong with Vamp just being a frigging vampire. It wasn't any more implausible than Mantis being psychic or Raven having Eskimo magic -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:537131] in Is NANOMAC... [t:61310148]...</cite> <quote> The dumb thing is, there was nothing wrong with Vamp just being a frigging vampire. It wasn't any more implausible than Mantis being psychic or Raven having Eskimo magic -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 12/10/11 3:17:00 PM #6:	From: DeathChicken \| #005 The dumb thing is, there was nothing wrong with Vamp just being a frigging vampire. It wasn't any more implausible than Mantis being psychic or Raven having Eskimo magic Until Kojima reveals that this was all NANOMACHINES as well! -- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:537132] in Is NANOMAC... [t:61310148]...</cite> <quote> From: DeathChicken \| #005The dumb thing is, there was nothing wrong with Vamp just being a frigging vampire. It wasn't any more implausible than Mantis being psychic or Raven having Eskimo magic Until Kojima reveals that this was all NANOMACHINES as well! -- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!""Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 12/10/11 3:22:00 PM #8:	Mia Fey isn't worse than Nanomachines. -- http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/8/22/2094c2de-bae8-4f5b-9f27-67eaff0aaeaf.jpg <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:537134] in Is NANOMAC... [t:61310148]...</cite> <quote> Mia Fey isn't worse than Nanomachines. -- http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/8/22/2094c2de-bae8-4f5b-9f27-67eaff0aaeaf.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 12/10/11 3:22:00 PM #9:	Not even close, in fact. -- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:537135] in Is NANOMAC... [t:61310148]...</cite> <quote> Not even close, in fact. -- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aecioo 12/10/11 3:22:00 PM #10:	*UltimaterializerX posted...* The Phoenix Wright series is far worse with that stuff. Haven't played, but I can imagine the cases being so ridiculous that it has to be solved with that kind of stuff. -- http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcb35gGx0t1qailr4o1_500.gif http://www.megavideo.com/?v=57N0YAEJ <cite>Aecioo posted [p:537136] in Is NANOMAC... [t:61310148]...</cite> <quote> UltimaterializerX posted...The Phoenix Wright series is far worse with that stuff.Haven't played, but I can imagine the cases being so ridiculous that it has to be solved with that kind of stuff. -- http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcb35gGx0t1qailr4o1_500.gifhttp://www.megavideo.com/?v=57N0YAEJ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 12/10/11 3:22:00 PM #11:	No. And it doesn't actually explain as many things as people think it does - they just use the word a HELL of a lot in the game. It's overused because the dialogue is so full of exposition. -- Official ~Trendsetter~ of Board 8 <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:537137] in Is NANOMAC... [t:61310148]...</cite> <quote> No.And it doesn't actually explain as many things as people think it does - they just use the word a HELL of a lot in the game. It's overused because the dialogue is so full of exposition. -- Official ~Trendsetter~ of Board 8 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KJH 12/10/11 3:25:00 PM #12:	I'm pretty sure some of the cases are so ridiculous, they have to be solved and decided legally through magical channeling of dead spirits possessing prepubescent girls. -- I have no idea who you are, but I thank you for arousing me. - Beruga Brawl FC: 3823-8243-5663 <cite>KJH posted [p:537138] in Is NANOMAC... [t:61310148]...</cite> <quote> I'm pretty sure some of the cases are so ridiculous, they have to be solved and decided legally through magical channeling of dead spirits possessing prepubescent girls. -- I have no idea who you are, but I thank you for arousing me. - BerugaBrawl FC: 3823-8243-5663 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShadowHalo17 12/10/11 3:28:00 PM #13:	And then none of the Cobra unit had nanomachines, nor did Volgin with his electric powers. Those were never explained and that's fine. -- *~Halo* Give into the Night. http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/ShadowHalo/haloshadow1.gif <cite>ShadowHalo17 posted [p:537139] in Is NANOMAC... [t:61310148]...</cite> <quote> And then none of the Cobra unit had nanomachines, nor did Volgin with his electric powers. Those were never explained and that's fine. -- ~Halo Give into the Night.http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/ShadowHalo/haloshadow1.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperAngelo128 12/10/11 3:28:00 PM #14:	Just when were you under the impression he meant Mia Fey -- http://img.imgcake.com/superangelo128/Higurashipicjpgaz.jpg <cite>SuperAngelo128 posted [p:537140] in Is NANOMAC... [t:61310148]...</cite> <quote> Just when were you under the impression he meant Mia Fey -- http://img.imgcake.com/superangelo128/Higurashipicjpgaz.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SomeKindOfJoke 12/10/11 3:30:00 PM #15:	Off the top of my head, I can only think of one case where the spirit channeling is actually a DEM and not a fundamental part of the case ('sup 1-2). Hate on it for being ridiculous if you want, but at least it's consistently ridiculous. -- What is this, some kind of joke?! Go, then. There are other worlds than these. <cite>SomeKindOfJoke posted [p:537141] in Is NANOMAC... [t:61310148]...</cite> <quote> Off the top of my head, I can only think of one case where the spirit channeling is actually a DEM and not a fundamental part of the case ('sup 1-2). Hate on it for being ridiculous if you want, but at least it's consistently ridiculous. -- What is this, some kind of joke?! Go, then. There are other worlds than these. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raka_Putra 12/10/11 3:31:00 PM #16:	Small bombs -- Oh, I am one yet many. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:537142] in Is NANOMAC... [t:61310148]...</cite> <quote> Small bombs -- Oh, I am one yet many. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ness26 12/10/11 3:43:00 PM #17:	Yeah, Raka has a point. The Umineko thing isn't just an explanation -- it actively ruins pretty much the whole visual novel. Edit: Er, I left out a few of my thoughts here. This isn't referring to Small Bombs, but rather the major "twist" that explains how most of the murders took place. -- No amount of planning will ever replace dumb luck. <cite>Ness26 posted [p:537143] in Is NANOMAC... [t:61310148]...</cite> <quote> Yeah, Raka has a point. The Umineko thing isn't just an explanation -- it actively ruins pretty much the whole visual novel.Edit: Er, I left out a few of my thoughts here. This isn't referring to Small Bombs, but rather the major "twist" that explains how most of the murders took place. -- No amount of planning will ever replace dumb luck. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 12/10/11 4:17:00 PM #18:	Yeah, the only time Mia outright gives you the answer and solves the case for you is 1-2. Every other time, it's more like she gives you a second chance (usually accompanied by a big hint, which I think is the main reason people dislike it, although most of the time, the hint alone isn't enough to actually win the case). -- http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8516/whatisdesiresig.gif <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:537144] in Is NANOMAC... [t:61310148]...</cite> <quote> Yeah, the only time Mia outright gives you the answer and solves the case for you is 1-2. Every other time, it's more like she gives you a second chance (usually accompanied by a big hint, which I think is the main reason people dislike it, although most of the time, the hint alone isn't enough to actually win the case). -- http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8516/whatisdesiresig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aecioo 12/10/11 4:24:00 PM #19:	*Ness26 posted...* Yeah, Raka has a point. The Umineko thing isn't just an explanation -- it actively ruins pretty much the whole visual novel. Edit: Er, I left out a few of my thoughts here. This isn't referring to Small Bombs, but rather the major "twist" that explains how most of the murders took place. But Umineko isn't a game... -- http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcb35gGx0t1qailr4o1_500.gif http://www.megavideo.com/?v=57N0YAEJ <cite>Aecioo posted [p:537145] in Is NANOMAC... [t:61310148]...</cite> <quote> Ness26 posted...Yeah, Raka has a point. The Umineko thing isn't just an explanation -- it actively ruins pretty much the whole visual novel.Edit: Er, I left out a few of my thoughts here. This isn't referring to Small Bombs, but rather the major "twist" that explains how most of the murders took place.But Umineko isn't a game... -- http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcb35gGx0t1qailr4o1_500.gifhttp://www.megavideo.com/?v=57N0YAEJ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 12/10/11 4:25:00 PM #20:	ohyou.jpg -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/26leonpngat.png http://img.imgcake.com/nio/daigohadoupnguj.png <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:537146] in Is NANOMAC... [t:61310148]...</cite> <quote> ohyou.jpg -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/26leonpngat.pnghttp://img.imgcake.com/nio/daigohadoupnguj.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raka_Putra 12/10/11 4:26:00 PM #21:	From: Ness26 \| #017 Yeah, Raka has a point. The Umineko thing isn't just an explanation -- it actively ruins pretty much the whole visual novel. Edit: Er, I left out a few of my thoughts here. This isn't referring to Small Bombs, but rather the major "twist" that explains how most of the murders took place. Actually, I didn't mind the twist...it makes perfect sense. -- Oh, I am one yet many. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:537147] in Is NANOMAC... [t:61310148]...</cite> <quote> From: Ness26 \| #017Yeah, Raka has a point. The Umineko thing isn't just an explanation -- it actively ruins pretty much the whole visual novel.Edit: Er, I left out a few of my thoughts here. This isn't referring to Small Bombs, but rather the major "twist" that explains how most of the murders took place.Actually, I didn't mind the twist...it makes perfect sense. -- Oh, I am one yet many. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Biolizard28 12/10/11 4:35:00 PM #22:	From: UltimaterializerX \| #008 The Phoenix Wright series is far worse with that stuff. If you don't understand what DEM means, sure. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>Biolizard28 posted [p:537148] in Is NANOMAC... [t:61310148]...</cite> <quote> From: UltimaterializerX \| #008The Phoenix Wright series is far worse with that stuff.If you don't understand what DEM means, sure. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 12/10/11 4:39:00 PM #23:	*Biolizard28 posted...* From: UltimaterializerX \| #008 The Phoenix Wright series is far worse with that stuff. If you don't understand what DEM means, sure. If you're going by a strict definition, nanomachines isn't a DEM either. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch <cite>redrocket posted [p:537149] in Is NANOMAC... [t:61310148]...</cite> <quote> Biolizard28 posted...From: UltimaterializerX \| #008The Phoenix Wright series is far worse with that stuff.If you don't understand what DEM means, sure.If you're going by a strict definition, nanomachines isn't a DEM either. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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