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Dark Young Link 12/07/11 7:15:00 PM #1: |
Reading discussions about whenever or not Double Team should be banned results in 99.9% chance of losing IQ points, and there are a lot more arguments that do the same.
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SlymDayspring 12/07/11 7:16:00 PM #2: |
brawl, maybe?
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KamikazePotato 12/07/11 7:16:00 PM #3: |
Sonic
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LordoftheMorons 12/07/11 7:17:00 PM #4: |
Congress
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bug_crook 12/07/11 7:19:00 PM #5: |
LordoftheMorons posted...
Congress i laughed xD -- "I've never in my life wanted to punch a girl like I want to right now" Light Yagami Link has Big poofy pants cause he stores all those items in them ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheCodeisBosco 12/07/11 7:19:00 PM #6: |
I can't remember the last time I've seen anyone have a debate about Double Team. >_>
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paperwarior 12/07/11 7:22:00 PM #7: |
Wikipedia.
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Dark Young Link 12/07/11 7:24:00 PM #8: |
TheCodeisBosco posted...
I can't remember the last time I've seen anyone have a debate about Double Team. >_> Lucky you. -- You'll get what's coming to you Ulti, wait and see. - Takfloyd_mkII__ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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jbomb1234 12/07/11 7:24:00 PM #9: |
Bleach does
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Biolizard28 12/07/11 7:25:00 PM #10: |
From: LordoftheMorons | #004 WHOA -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Biolizard28 12/07/11 7:26:00 PM #11: |
What's your stance on Double Team, by the way?
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Dark Young Link 12/07/11 7:27:00 PM #12: |
My stance is that it should be banned.
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Biolizard28 12/07/11 7:27:00 PM #13: |
From: Dark Young Link | #012 Pfft, okay. You probably support banning Blaziken too. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 12/07/11 7:28:00 PM #14: |
The competitive community really pisses me off quite a bit.
Though the people who are anti-it are also pretty bad. I've seen Smogon criticised for such ridiculous things it's unreal. I mean some of their rules are irritating and bizarre but "Blaziken was banned because they are in love with Infernape"? That's what you're picking as a stick to beat them with? -- http://www.funnycorner.net/funny-pictures/4834/big-boss.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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paperwarior 12/07/11 7:30:00 PM #15: |
My stance is that it should be banned.
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Dark Young Link 12/07/11 7:30:00 PM #16: |
Biolizard28 posted...
From: Dark Young Link | #012 My stance is that it should be banned. Pfft, okay. You probably support banning Blaziken too. No. -- You'll get what's coming to you Ulti, wait and see. - Takfloyd_mkII__ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Biolizard28 12/07/11 7:30:00 PM #17: |
From: XIII_rocks | #014 It was their start of darkness, as far as I'm concerned. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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special_sauce 12/07/11 7:31:00 PM #18: |
Honestly, competitive Pokemon should just do away with tiering, move banning, etc.
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WazzupGenius00 12/07/11 7:32:00 PM #19: |
I think Double Team used to need to be banned, but there are enough ways to work around it now that it could be fair game.
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XIII_rocks 12/07/11 7:33:00 PM #20: |
From: special_sauce | #018 No. -- http://www.celebrityclubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Sort_of_want.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WazzupGenius00 12/07/11 7:34:00 PM #21: |
From: special_sauce | #018 the issue isn't that they say certain things are "unfair," it's that they say certain things are so good that when they are allowed, the whole game starts to revolve around that specific thing (for example if Parasect turned out to be ridiculously good everyone would have one on his team, then everyone would also have a specific Parasect counter on their team. Now a third of almost every team is the exact same thing). -- (10:17:09 PM) Ed Bellis: i think pac-man just keeps repeating, for instance (10:17:26 PM) ertyu: ya well tell that to billy michtlle ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 12/07/11 7:34:00 PM #22: |
I mean these people literally spend their lives analysing these things. It's irritating, THEY'RE irritating, but give them credit. You can't just "allow everything".
First off the tiering allows for loads of Pokemon to be used which is sweet. I like sweeping teams in NU with Linoone, I love being able to use Alakazam in UU because Alakazam is a f***ing boss. Stuff like that. Tiering is an awesome idea. -- http://i.imgur.com/GH3sK.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 12/07/11 7:35:00 PM #23: |
From: WazzupGenius00 | #021 Which is the reason Garchomp was banned. It's centralization of a relatively varied metagame. -- http://i46.tinypic.com/301k70h.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Biolizard28 12/07/11 7:36:00 PM #24: |
From: XIII_rocks | #023 Wasn't 90% of every team Heatran/Scizor in the twilight of 4th gen? -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 12/07/11 7:39:00 PM #25: |
Not really. They were probably the most popular 2. Them and Machamp leads.
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neoneaper 12/07/11 7:40:00 PM #26: |
Fire Emblem
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MarvelousGerbil 12/07/11 7:40:00 PM #27: |
special_sauce posted...
Honestly, competitive Pokemon should just do away with tiering, move banning, etc. Everyone can use the same things, quit whining that they're unfair Arceus vs. Arceus OLOLOLOL! -- http://i.imgur.com/GrZNc.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Biolizard28 12/07/11 7:41:00 PM #28: |
Only point I was trying to make, by the way, is that they selectively ban elements of luck.
Togekiss and Jirachi are allowed to Paraflinch, but god forbid I let my Cacturne have double team. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WarThaNemesis2 12/07/11 7:42:00 PM #29: |
That's because you can counter paralysis and flinching moves. You can't outright counter Double Team.
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MarvelousGerbil 12/07/11 7:46:00 PM #30: |
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
That's because you can counter paralysis and flinching moves. You can't outright counter Double Team. Does Haze work on Double Team? I know you could Whirlwind/Roar it away. Regardless, Double Team is one of the most infuriating luck based things. I was replaying FR and literally had to let Lt. Surge's Raichu poison itself to death because of Nidoking's poison point and inability to hit in in 15 moves. -- http://i.imgur.com/GrZNc.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WarThaNemesis2 12/07/11 7:47:00 PM #31: |
Whirlwind/Roar still have to hit, same with Haze I think.
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XIII_rocks 12/07/11 7:49:00 PM #32: |
Paraflinching should be banned, but I think they hesitate to ban specific movesets on specific Pokemon. There's no way Jirachi and Togekiss should be banned to ubers, for instance, even with Paraflinch. They're too easily counterable.
Though I did once beat an entire team of 6 by using a Scarf Jirachi that just spammed Iron Head. True story. From: MarvelousGerbil | #027 Actually Arceus has become very counterable in ubers. There was a brief time where he centralized the uber metagame, but people do different things with him now. Giratina beats it, Groudon beats it, Ghost Arceus beats it, Cresselia beats it, and Garchomp can take an SD'd hit. Extreme Killer Arceus is the most common version and it is counterable by a fair few legit Pokemon. If your ubers team can be 6-0d by Extreme Killer Arceus you have a bad team. -- http://www.mariocube.nl/upload/XIII1008171346.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MarvelousGerbil 12/07/11 7:50:00 PM #33: |
Also, if you want to blame people for the odd tiering, blame Nintendo. It's their fault that they "don't want a competitive scene" in a game that is designed for competition. Therefore you get stuff that's OP that wasn't intended to be and vice versa. I mean sure, we all know Mewtwo and Arceus are meant to be stronger than everything else, but do you really think Nintendo ever thought that Wynaut would be Uber in Gen 4?
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MarvelousGerbil 12/07/11 7:52:00 PM #34: |
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
Whirlwind/Roar still have to hit, same with Haze I think. Ah, TBQH I didn't even think about that. It's been a while since I used those moves in an actual game and Evasion isn't allowed in Shoddy Battle. -- http://i.imgur.com/GrZNc.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 12/07/11 7:52:00 PM #35: |
I think Nintendo do a decent enough job actually. I mean when you think about how many people there are who analyze the games to death, it's no surprise people will pick holes in things and find exploits. Very few of the non-ubers are indisputably broken.
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Biolizard28 12/07/11 7:53:00 PM #36: |
Haze doesn't have to hit.
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XIII_rocks 12/07/11 7:55:00 PM #37: |
ground-type Pokemon first and foremost
natural cure (hi Starmie) clever switching (I just switched to a Conkeldurr with Guts/I just switched to Electivire/I just switched to Scarf Flygon, oh hai) -- "'What is your wife orbits my dick' sounds like you're trying to insult Alex Trebek." - Sir Cobain ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Biolizard28 12/07/11 7:58:00 PM #38: |
ground-type Pokemon first and foremost
Jirachi runs body slam for a reason. natural cure (hi Starmie) Requires a switch to activate, enjoy your next Pokemon getting paralyzed. clever switching (I just switched to a Conkeldurr with Guts/I just switched to Electivire/I just switched to Scarf Flygon, oh hai) Conkeldurr doesn't appreciate paralysis, Electivire assumes they're running thunder wave, as does Flygon. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 12/07/11 8:01:00 PM #39: |
Wait, what? lmao
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sonicboom510 12/07/11 8:01:00 PM #40: |
Smash Bros players arguing why it's a competitive game.
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SuorGenoveffa 12/07/11 8:03:00 PM #41: |
Melee vs Brawl debates.
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MarvelousGerbil 12/07/11 8:05:00 PM #42: |
Biolizard28 posted...
Haze doesn't have to hit. From: WarThaNemesis2 | #029 That's because you can counter paralysis and flinching moves. How? Acupuncture and Extremespeed! -- http://i.imgur.com/GrZNc.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shoenin_Kakashi 12/07/11 8:05:00 PM #43: |
Pfft, Smogon was doing stupid bans before Blaziken.
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charmander6000 12/07/11 8:13:00 PM #44: |
Smogon has a premade idea of what the metagame should look like and bans things so they can reach that picture. BW was suppose to start off with everyone in standard, but they banned everyone with over 600 BST from the start.
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greengravy294 12/07/11 8:13:00 PM #45: |
lol pokemon...
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FashnQueenEtna 12/07/11 8:15:00 PM #46: |
A lot of pokemon got pulled off of ubers due to the power creep, of course, pokemon also fail to meet OU due to the same mentality.
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MarvelousGerbil 12/07/11 8:15:00 PM #47: |
XIII_rocks posted...
I think Nintendo do a decent enough job actually. I mean when you think about how many people there are who analyze the games to death, it's no surprise people will pick holes in things and find exploits. Very few of the non-ubers are indisputably broken. I agree to a certain degree, but honestly if they were doing it right, no Legendaries would be in UU/NU. I can think of worse things, but this was the first thing that stuck out to me when I started looking at tiers. -- http://i.imgur.com/GrZNc.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 12/07/11 8:16:00 PM #48: |
...Except Regigigas and Slaking.
And honstly the cover legendaries are pretty much never going to be acceptable. Don't see what the problem is there. Testing them for standard is just a waste of everyone's time. -- Oops! I'm breaking the fourth wall! http://imgon.net/di-CFMD.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MarvelousGerbil 12/07/11 8:19:00 PM #49: |
XIII_rocks posted...
...Except Regigigas and Slaking. And honstly the cover legendaries are pretty much never going to be acceptable. Don't see what the problem is there. Testing them for standard is just a waste of everyone's time. Slaking isn't legendary, and Regigigas wasn't surprising, but idiotic design on Nintendo's part all the same. It's only possible use would be really elaborate use of Skill Swap, which is way too complicated to pay off. -- http://i.imgur.com/GrZNc.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 12/07/11 8:20:00 PM #50: |
From: MarvelousGerbil | #047 Yeah legendaries being UU/NU is weird, but think about it: legendaries are usually designed to fit a certain thematic theme, such as the fire/ice/thunder birds. That is more of a concern for Gamefreak; creating a cool mythology that will get people more involved with the world and, thus, buy more games. The competitive community is ultimately a tiny fraction of Pokemon's sales. So when you have something like Articuno that is utter failure in the metagame, they really do not give a crap about that. I actually think Pokemon gets lucky, given that they, to some extent, embrace the metagame. It's not like Brawl which I'm pretty sure (could be wrong) drew a line in the sand over it being a "competitive" series. -- Official ~Trendsetter~ of Board 8 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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