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LordGaluf
12/08/11 10:31:00 AM
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LordGaluf
12/08/11 10:32:00 AM
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Whoa, my posts went crazy there <_<

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LOLContests
12/08/11 11:15:00 AM
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So were blacks, gypsies, Jehovah's witnesses, Russians, Slovenians, cripples, and Masons. Should TheKoolAidShoto start comparing himself to holocaust victims?

If we were in a conversation of black persecution over history, it would be relevant. Since that's the only time I've heard gay persecution be compared to the Holocaust.

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GuessMyUserName
12/08/11 11:41:00 AM
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From: SmartMuffin | Posted: 12/7/2011 11:30:50 PM | #072
And yet, you have the right to be a horrible parent.


holy crap

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SlymDayspring
12/08/11 11:49:00 AM
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Given that smuffin actually argues what he believes rather then just trolling like you, he is almost a welcome addition in comparison.

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SmartMuffin
12/08/11 5:53:00 PM
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From: GuessMyUserName | #105
holy crap


So, in your ideal society, the government decides what beliefs are and are not appropriate to teach to children, and does what exactly with the children of parents who disobey?

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Icon Tang
12/08/11 5:55:00 PM
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From: UltimaterializerX | #100
Shoto is too boss to ever do that, because he knows full well playing up to persecution and stereotypes for sympathy is idiotic.


he is not, however, beyond plagiarism. i suppose we all have our own quirks!




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User728
12/08/11 6:32:00 PM
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From: metroid composite | #090
Given that a lot of anti-gay groups try to claim that homosexuality is a choice, actually I think it has a good deal to do with supporting homosexuality.

What about teaching other studies that have been done. Like the genetic correlation of homosexuality. Like how the children of gay parents are no more likely to end up gay than the children of straight parents. Like how countries where gay marriage is legalized there has been no adverse effect on heterosexual marriages?

All of these are "facts" rather than "stances". Are you fine with all of these being taught just as long as the teacher at the end of the class says "but I will not state an opinion on whether homosexuality is good or bad"?



(...For that matter, as someone who actually is gay and actively supports the gay movement...I have no real opinion on whether homosexuality is good or bad. I tend to feel more like it exists, and is inherently pretty neutral, and I shouldn't assume good or bad things about someone just because of their sexual orientation. Because, to be blunt, not all gay people are nice, well-adjusted people; much like not all straight people are nice, well-adjusted people).


Not a single example you have given has anything to do with facts that need to be taught in school. Unless there is some sort of a college course on the science of homosexuality, I don't see how any grade school discussion has anything to do with the topic. Math? No. English? No. History? No. Science? No. You can run through them all and it is utterly worthless to all discussion. It advances nothing and pushes the teacher's ideology on the students. Are you comfortable with telling children to ignore their parent's religious preferences because they should instead just believe in scientific facts only? Homosexuality should not be taught in school. If they want to give a seminar on why bullying is bad then that is fine. But to incorporate it into any class discussion is awful unless the teacher has no input whatsoever.
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metroid composite
12/08/11 7:14:00 PM
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User728 posted...
Not a single example you have given has anything to do with facts that need to be taught in school. Unless there is some sort of a college course on the science of homosexuality, I don't see how any grade school discussion has anything to do with the topic. Math? No. English? No. History? No. Science? No.

Sex Education? Yes.


(Also, most of this research is in Biology/Psychology, so...that would qualify as science).

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User728
12/08/11 8:45:00 PM
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From: metroid composite | #112
Sex Education? Yes.


(Also, most of this research is in Biology/Psychology, so...that would qualify as science).


None of that stuff is ever touched in Biology or Psychology...at least not in grade school. Health is the only place to even mention it...and even there it should be taught impartially.
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LOLContests
12/08/11 8:55:00 PM
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and even there it should be taught impartially.

Saying there is nothing wrong with homosexuality is being impartial. Being partial would be to say "Homosexuality is better/worse than heterosexuality in some way."

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User728
12/08/11 9:07:00 PM
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From: LOLContests | #114
and even there it should be taught impartially.

Saying there is nothing wrong with homosexuality is being impartial. Being partial would be to say "Homosexuality is better/worse than heterosexuality in some way."


Being impartial would be to not push it in either direction. The same way no one is taught that heterosexuality is okay/not okay. You can teach what it is without going into whether it is right or wrong.
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LordoftheMorons
12/08/11 9:12:00 PM
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"Okay" and "right" are two completely different things. Saying something is "okay" is saying that there's nothing inherently wrong about being homosexual (and how can there be, if it's not a choice?) No one's saying that homosexuals are better than heterosexuals (which would actually be taking a non-neutral stance).

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User728
12/08/11 9:22:00 PM
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From: LordoftheMorons | #117
"Okay" and "right" are two completely different things. Saying something is "okay" is saying that there's nothing inherently wrong about being homosexual (and how can there be, if it's not a choice?) No one's saying that homosexuals are better than heterosexuals (which would actually be taking a non-neutral stance).


But neither should be said at all. I have never been told that heterosexuality is "okay" in school. Likewise, I should never be told that homosexuality is "okay" in school. The meaning of each can, and should, be taught. What the teacher thinks about each should be left out entirely.
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The_tall_midget
12/08/11 9:26:00 PM
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I guess is the new term for people who think for themselves.

So like... Let's go in IRaq. They have WOMDS and terrorists.

People who think for themselves : YEAH! DO IT! FREEDOM! USA! USA! USA!

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paperwarior
12/08/11 9:33:00 PM
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Ulti, you're still really giving Chuck too much credit. If you put it out there as "Politically-charged propaganda shouldn't be in our schools," nobody can sensibly disagree with that, and if they do they just confirm the villainization of the Left in the minds of the Right. But this is itself agitation propaganda, designed to make the social conservative feel threatened so he gets up and does something... namely, vote Republican. Regardless of what Chuck Norris personally believes, it's playing on homophobic emotions to get support, just like the Birther and Secret Muslim campaigns did with xenophobia during the 2008 election. I get the feeling that you like him because he's supportive of your distrust of government, but he's not doing anything but towing the party line here.

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User728
12/08/11 9:42:00 PM
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From: paperwarior | #120
Ulti, you're still really giving Chuck too much credit. If you put it out there as "Politically-charged propaganda shouldn't be in our schools," nobody can sensibly disagree with that, and if they do they just confirm the villainization of the Left in the minds of the Right. But this is itself agitation propaganda, designed to make the social conservative feel threatened so he gets up and does something... namely, vote Republican. Regardless of what Chuck Norris personally believes, it's playing on homophobic emotions to get support, just like the Birther and Secret Muslim campaigns did with xenophobia during the 2008 election. I get the feeling that you like him because he's supportive of your distrust of government, but he's not doing anything but towing the party line here.


Regardless of what anyone thinks of homosexuality, the fact remains that it IS a political topic of discussion. Teaching that it is okay would qualify as politically-charged propaganda.
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Mr Lasastryke
12/09/11 3:08:00 AM
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So, in your ideal society, the government decides what beliefs are and are not appropriate to teach to children

Newsflash: this doesn't just happen in anyone's ideal society, but in reality as well. The government decides it's not appropriate to teach children that the Nazis had fantastic political ideas, for instance.

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SlymDayspring
12/09/11 3:21:00 AM
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saying "it is okay to be gay" is not "getting political". the only reason to have issue with someone being gay is if you are a religious nutjob, and religious beliefs have no place in a public school system.

all it even does is cause kids to experiment with stuff they weren't going to think about anyway because that's what the adults are telling them to think about.

uh, just telling a kid that it is okay to be gay isn't gonna make him want to experiment with homosexuality unless he was, you know, into that sort of thing to begin with.

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metroid composite
12/09/11 6:03:00 AM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
When I was in grade school, we learned sex ed in social studies and every year from 5th grade on we were given the basic run-down, and social studies incorporated history, geography, current events, and.... well, social studies. You can learn what sex is without being told that it's okay to be gay, which is impossible to even do without getting political and has no business in schools at all. No one in third grade needs to learn what being gay means, and all it even does is cause kids to experiment with stuff they weren't going to think about anyway because that's what the adults are telling them to think about. Kids are experimenting with sex at younger ages because they're being taught what it is, and that's just a fact.

Well...yes, I don't think people in grade 3 should be taught about sex. I'm pretty sure we didn't get sex ed until grade 5 or 6, and that was more "Puberty, and what to expect from it". The actual teachers talking to us about sex and condoms didn't happen until grade 7-8.

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LOLContests
12/09/11 10:20:00 AM
#125:


Regardless of what anyone thinks of homosexuality, the fact remains that it IS a political topic of discussion.

Just because someone tries to make something a political issue, doesn't mean anyone should give into them. There's nothing intrinsically political about homosexuality.

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NeoElfboy
12/09/11 11:22:00 AM
#126:


Kids are experimenting with sex at younger ages because they're being taught what it is, and that's just a fact.

Studies very clearly show that sex education does not cause children to have sex at a younger age. This isn't even debatable.

What sex education does is reduce the rate of teen pregnancy and the spread of STIs. Unless it's abstinence-only sex education, which accomplishes nothing because saying "HEY KIDS DON'T DO THIS!!!" doesn't work.

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