Board 8 > Could Vita flopping devastate Sony?

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Pretty_Odd 11/01/11 11:14:00 AM #1:	Say it's a major flop on the scale of Virtual Boy, because I think that's what's going to happen. They saw how everyone is playing games on their cell phones and wanted to capitalize on that. The thing is, none of these people are going to buy Vita. None of them. And hardcores aren't going to buy it because they don't want to buy a handheld to play f*ing cell phone games. So, what happens to Sony? Do they go the way of SEGA? -- Kiwi <cite>Pretty_Odd posted [p:497005] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> Say it's a major flop on the scale of Virtual Boy, because I think that's what's going to happen. They saw how everyone is playing games on their cell phones and wanted to capitalize on that. The thing is, none of these people are going to buy Vita. None of them. And hardcores aren't going to buy it because they don't want to buy a handheld to play f*ing cell phone games.So, what happens to Sony? Do they go the way of SEGA? -- Kiwi </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 11/01/11 11:15:00 AM #2:	Yeah, the biggest electronics manufacturer in the world is going to stop making hardware -- _foolmo_ 'You are obviously intelligent and insightful' - Sir Chris about me <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:497006] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> Yeah, the biggest electronics manufacturer in the world is going to stop making hardware -- _foolmo_'You are obviously intelligent and insightful' - Sir Chris about me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KimPilgrim 11/01/11 11:16:00 AM #3:	Uh yeah those games are totally cell phone games. Just look at Uncharted. -- ~LtM http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/Kim.png <cite>KimPilgrim posted [p:497007] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> Uh yeah those games are totally cell phone games. Just look at Uncharted. -- ~LtMhttp://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/Kim.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 11/01/11 11:17:00 AM #4:	Everyone make sure to buy the Xbox 3 or else there will never be another version of Windows again. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:497008] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> Everyone make sure to buy the Xbox 3 or else there will never be another version of Windows again. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pretty_Odd 11/01/11 11:17:00 AM #5:	*KimPilgrim posted...* Uh yeah those games are totally cell phone games. Just look at Uncharted. Yeah, Uncharted the f*ing cell phone version. There's no aiming or gameplay. You just tap on the screen to shoot the guy. That's exactly the problem. -- Kiwi <cite>Pretty_Odd posted [p:497009] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> KimPilgrim posted...Uh yeah those games are totally cell phone games. Just look at Uncharted.Yeah, Uncharted the f*ing cell phone version. There's no aiming or gameplay. You just tap on the screen to shoot the guy. That's exactly the problem. -- Kiwi </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paperwarior 11/01/11 11:19:00 AM #6:	Well, sure. 3DS helped make Nintendo lose a billion dollars. This was to the title, not "Sony going out of business." -- Now playing: Saints Row 2, Final Fantasy IV (PSP), Ratchet & Clank <cite>paperwarior posted [p:497010] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> Well, sure. 3DS helped make Nintendo lose a billion dollars.This was to the title, not "Sony going out of business." -- Now playing: Saints Row 2, Final Fantasy IV (PSP), Ratchet & Clank </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AfroSquirrel 11/01/11 11:19:00 AM #7:	This is like expecting Google to go out of business because Facebook is more successful than Google+. The Vita is a pretty tiny part of Sony's business plan. -- Demons run... when a good man goes to war <cite>AfroSquirrel posted [p:497011] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> This is like expecting Google to go out of business because Facebook is more successful than Google+.The Vita is a pretty tiny part of Sony's business plan. -- Demons run... when a good man goes to war </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pretty_Odd 11/01/11 11:20:00 AM #8:	Ok guiz I obviously mean Sony's gaming division. Gosh. -- Kiwi <cite>Pretty_Odd posted [p:497012] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> Ok guiz I obviously mean Sony's gaming division. Gosh. -- Kiwi </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KimPilgrim 11/01/11 11:23:00 AM #9:	*Pretty_Odd posted...* KimPilgrim posted... Uh yeah those games are totally cell phone games. Just look at Uncharted. Yeah, Uncharted the f*ing cell phone version. There's no aiming or gameplay. You just tap on the screen to shoot the guy. That's exactly the problem. That is the OPTIONAL control scheme. -- ~LtM http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/Kim.png <cite>KimPilgrim posted [p:497013] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> Pretty_Odd posted...KimPilgrim posted...Uh yeah those games are totally cell phone games. Just look at Uncharted.Yeah, Uncharted the f*ing cell phone version. There's no aiming or gameplay. You just tap on the screen to shoot the guy. That's exactly the problem.That is the OPTIONAL control scheme. -- ~LtMhttp://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/Kim.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 11/01/11 11:24:00 AM #10:	Well you brought up the Virtual Boy in your first post. Nintendo "managed to survive" it flopping without missing a beat. The worst case scenario would be the Vita killing off Sony handhelds, but in all likelihood this is gonna be the last handheld dedicated gaming device they put out anyway. By the time the Vita's life cycle is over, handheld gaming will be done solely on tablets and smartphones. Whether Vita succeeds or fails, it's the end of its line anyway. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:497014] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> Well you brought up the Virtual Boy in your first post. Nintendo "managed to survive" it flopping without missing a beat.The worst case scenario would be the Vita killing off Sony handhelds, but in all likelihood this is gonna be the last handheld dedicated gaming device they put out anyway. By the time the Vita's life cycle is over, handheld gaming will be done solely on tablets and smartphones.Whether Vita succeeds or fails, it's the end of its line anyway. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 11/01/11 11:24:00 AM #11:	No. Its launching with monster hunter. It'll sell in Japan if nowhere else. Also you do realize it has the processing power of a freaking Ps2 or 3 and you'll be able to play PS3 games on it using the save files from your PS3 using Sonys cloud technology, right? It's basically a portable console, that will also have its own unique handheld games. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:497015] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> No.Its launching with monster hunter. It'll sell in Japan if nowhere else.Also you do realize it has the processing power of a freaking Ps2 or 3 and you'll be able to play PS3 games on it using the save files from your PS3 using Sonys cloud technology, right?It's basically a portable console, that will also have its own unique handheld games. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 11/01/11 11:25:00 AM #12:	From: JaKyL25 \| #010 Well you brought up the Virtual Boy in your first post. Nintendo "managed to survive" it flopping without missing a beat. The worst case scenario would be the Vita killing off Sony handhelds, but in all likelihood this is gonna be the last handheld dedicated gaming device they put out anyway. By the time the Vita's life cycle is over, handheld gaming will be done solely on tablets and smartphones. Whether Vita succeeds or fails, it's the end of its line anyway. I still hope not. I hate tablet computers and smart phones. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:497016] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #010Well you brought up the Virtual Boy in your first post. Nintendo "managed to survive" it flopping without missing a beat.The worst case scenario would be the Vita killing off Sony handhelds, but in all likelihood this is gonna be the last handheld dedicated gaming device they put out anyway. By the time the Vita's life cycle is over, handheld gaming will be done solely on tablets and smartphones.Whether Vita succeeds or fails, it's the end of its line anyway.I still hope not. I hate tablet computers and smart phones. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 11/01/11 11:28:00 AM #13:	You hate them in general, or just hate the current state of gaming on them? Hating them in general seems irrational. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:497017] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> You hate them in general, or just hate the current state of gaming on them?Hating them in general seems irrational. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pretty_Odd 11/01/11 11:29:00 AM #14:	*edwardsdv posted...* you'll be able to play PS3 games on it using the save files from your PS3 using Sonys cloud technology, right? Ummm.... I've never heard anything like this. -- Kiwi <cite>Pretty_Odd posted [p:497018] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> edwardsdv posted...you'll be able to play PS3 games on it using the save files from your PS3 using Sonys cloud technology, right?Ummm.... I've never heard anything like this. -- Kiwi </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paperwarior 11/01/11 11:33:00 AM #15:	PS3 ports. Probably can emulate PS2 on it, although I don't think they said. -- Now playing: Saints Row 2, Final Fantasy IV (PSP), Ratchet & Clank <cite>paperwarior posted [p:497019] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> PS3 ports. Probably can emulate PS2 on it, although I don't think they said. -- Now playing: Saints Row 2, Final Fantasy IV (PSP), Ratchet & Clank </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 11/01/11 11:33:00 AM #16:	From: edwardsdv \| #011 you'll be able to play PS3 games on it using the save files from your PS3 using Sonys cloud technology Technically this is possible but I don't think any game will implement it for a while, especially since the cloud saving is PSN+ only -- _foolmo_ 'so I can potentially win the guru without getting the final right?' - BlAcK TuRtLe <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:497020] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> From: edwardsdv \| #011you'll be able to play PS3 games on it using the save files from your PS3 using Sonys cloud technologyTechnically this is possible but I don't think any game will implement it for a while, especially since the cloud saving is PSN+ only -- _foolmo_'so I can potentially win the guru without getting the final right?' - BlAcK TuRtLe </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VincentLauw 11/01/11 11:35:00 AM #17:	-- http://img.imgcake.com/tyler2gifat.gif <cite>VincentLauw posted [p:497021] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> -- http://img.imgcake.com/tyler2gifat.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranzonEx 11/01/11 11:35:00 AM #18:	The Vita is too big to fail. -- Black: 3310-7431-2094 <cite>GranzonEx posted [p:497022] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> The Vita is too big to fail. -- Black: 3310-7431-2094 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paperwarior 11/01/11 11:41:00 AM #19:	You hate them in general, or just hate the current state of gaming on them? Personally, the current state of gaming on them. Specifically, no buttons. -- Now playing: Saints Row 2, Final Fantasy IV (PSP), Ratchet & Clank <cite>paperwarior posted [p:497023] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> You hate them in general, or just hate the current state of gaming on them?Personally, the current state of gaming on them. Specifically, no buttons. -- Now playing: Saints Row 2, Final Fantasy IV (PSP), Ratchet & Clank </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 11/01/11 11:41:00 AM #20:	From: JaKyL25 \| #013 You hate them in general, or just hate the current state of gaming on them? Hating them in general seems irrational. Tablet computers i dislike because they are just non-functional at everything they do. Anything I could even think to do on one, I could do in a far more efficient way on a laptop. Smart phones and me will never get along, At least not ones that are fully touch enabled. My fingers are just a touch too wide to make good use of them without the screen being impractically big for the phone to be pcoketable- and most current smartphones I cant even make proper use of are really stretching the limit there anyway. The "smartest" i can really go is a blackberry with a keyboard. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:497024] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #013You hate them in general, or just hate the current state of gaming on them?Hating them in general seems irrational.Tablet computers i dislike because they are just non-functional at everything they do. Anything I could even think to do on one, I could do in a far more efficient way on a laptop.Smart phones and me will never get along, At least not ones that are fully touch enabled. My fingers are just a touch too wide to make good use of them without the screen being impractically big for the phone to be pcoketable- and most current smartphones I cant even make proper use of are really stretching the limit there anyway. The "smartest" i can really go is a blackberry with a keyboard. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
barreldragon88 11/01/11 11:43:00 AM #21:	*GranzonEx posted...* The Vita is too big to fail. Just like how the big banks are too big to fail, right? -- Long live Saint Seiya!! <cite>barreldragon88 posted [p:497025] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> GranzonEx posted...The Vita is too big to fail.Just like how the big banks are too big to fail, right? -- Long live Saint Seiya!! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 11/01/11 11:43:00 AM #22:	From: paperwarior \| #019 You hate them in general, or just hate the current state of gaming on them? Personally, the current state of gaming on them. Specifically, no buttons. Also this. short of going touch everything- which is a pretty simplistic control scheme, trying to unify a control scheme for all Tablet computers and smartphones is not something you'll really ever get without some of them becoming dedicated gaming machines,at which point why wouldn't there just be another handheld generation? -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:497026] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> From: paperwarior \| #019You hate them in general, or just hate the current state of gaming on them?Personally, the current state of gaming on them. Specifically, no buttons.Also this. short of going touch everything- which is a pretty simplistic control scheme, trying to unify a control scheme for all Tablet computers and smartphones is not something you'll really ever get without some of them becoming dedicated gaming machines,at which point why wouldn't there just be another handheld generation? -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 11/01/11 11:43:00 AM #23:	From: JaKyL25 \| #005 Everyone make sure to buy the Xbox 3 or else there will never be another version of Windows again. post of teh topic -- "I have a place to live because of FFXI, I lost my virginity because of FFXI, and that's why it's my #5 game of all time" - RPGLord95 <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:497027] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #005Everyone make sure to buy the Xbox 3 or else there will never be another version of Windows again.post of teh topic -- "I have a place to live because of FFXI, I lost my virginity because of FFXI, and that's why it's my #5 game of all time" - RPGLord95 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 11/01/11 11:45:00 AM #24:	From: foolm0ron \| #016 Technically this is possible but I don't think any game will implement it for a while, especially since the cloud saving is PSN+ only You can also download ps3 games and some upcoming games that are slated for dual release have been said to be able to use that system, like Vanillawares upcoming Dragon Crown. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:497028] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> From: foolm0ron \| #016Technically this is possible but I don't think any game will implement it for a while, especially since the cloud saving is PSN+ onlyYou can also download ps3 games and some upcoming games that are slated for dual release have been said to be able to use that system, like Vanillawares upcoming Dragon Crown. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FateStayAlbion 11/01/11 11:51:00 AM #25:	I personally hate any gaming that doesn't have normal controls... I was never able to get into Wii or DS because of that. So unless something has d-pad/analog stick and buttons, no thanks. -- http://www.yourgamercards.net/trophy/a/RyanSaotome.png http://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png <cite>FateStayAlbion posted [p:497029] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> I personally hate any gaming that doesn't have normal controls... I was never able to get into Wii or DS because of that. So unless something has d-pad/analog stick and buttons, no thanks. -- http://www.yourgamercards.net/trophy/a/RyanSaotome.pnghttp://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 11/01/11 11:53:00 AM #26:	Also this. short of going touch everything- which is a pretty simplistic control scheme "Touch everything" isn't THAT DIFFERENT from mouse controls, and there are plenty of games that you can play with a mouse. The disconnect seems to come from how complex people want handheld gaming to be. It's portable gaming--it's inherently SUPPOSED to be less complex and easier to pick up and put down in short stints. That's great that the Vita can play PS3 games, but why would you WANT to play PS3 games on a portable? That's a fairly small audience. Does every genre work on smartphones/tablets? No, of course not. But take something like the Final Fantasy tablet ports---there's absolutely no reason that FFT would control worse on a tablet than it would with buttons and a d-pad. And I think that over the next 5 years, we're gonna see more and more advancement from smartphones and tablets so that by 2016 there won't be a need for a Vita 2. Nintendo might do one more handheld generation because they're always behind when it comes to technological trends, and they have enough desired exclusives that they can withhold to make it sell, but eventually their golden goose is cooked as well. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:497030] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> Also this. short of going touch everything- which is a pretty simplistic control scheme"Touch everything" isn't THAT DIFFERENT from mouse controls, and there are plenty of games that you can play with a mouse.The disconnect seems to come from how complex people want handheld gaming to be. It's portable gaming--it's inherently SUPPOSED to be less complex and easier to pick up and put down in short stints. That's great that the Vita can play PS3 games, but why would you WANT to play PS3 games on a portable? That's a fairly small audience.Does every genre work on smartphones/tablets? No, of course not. But take something like the Final Fantasy tablet ports---there's absolutely no reason that FFT would control worse on a tablet than it would with buttons and a d-pad.And I think that over the next 5 years, we're gonna see more and more advancement from smartphones and tablets so that by 2016 there won't be a need for a Vita 2.Nintendo might do one more handheld generation because they're always behind when it comes to technological trends, and they have enough desired exclusives that they can withhold to make it sell, but eventually their golden goose is cooked as well. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paperwarior 11/01/11 12:42:00 PM #27:	Not being able to do certain genres is bad, though, especially popular ones like action, fighting, and shooters. -- Now playing: Saints Row 2, Final Fantasy IV (PSP), Ratchet & Clank <cite>paperwarior posted [p:497031] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> Not being able to do certain genres is bad, though, especially popular ones like action, fighting, and shooters. -- Now playing: Saints Row 2, Final Fantasy IV (PSP), Ratchet & Clank </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 11/01/11 12:47:00 PM #28:	Are those genres really that popular on handhelds though? Action, sure, that's a large enough label that I'll grant it, but what were the last huge handheld shooters and fighters? Some platforms just aren't made for certain genres. Consoles can't do RTS like PCs can, but yet people still buy consoles. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:497032] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> Are those genres really that popular on handhelds though?Action, sure, that's a large enough label that I'll grant it, but what were the last huge handheld shooters and fighters?Some platforms just aren't made for certain genres. Consoles can't do RTS like PCs can, but yet people still buy consoles. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paperwarior 11/01/11 12:51:00 PM #29:	Action, sure, that's a large enough label that I'll grant it, but what were the last huge handheld shooters and fighters? Lots of fighters get ported to handhelds. As for shooters, they aren't too popular (Mainly third-person as well) but the advent of dual analogs on handhelds will help. -- Now playing: Saints Row 2, Final Fantasy IV (PSP), Ratchet & Clank <cite>paperwarior posted [p:497033] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> Action, sure, that's a large enough label that I'll grant it, but what were the last huge handheld shooters and fighters?Lots of fighters get ported to handhelds. As for shooters, they aren't too popular (Mainly third-person as well) but the advent of dual analogs on handhelds will help. -- Now playing: Saints Row 2, Final Fantasy IV (PSP), Ratchet & Clank </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 11/01/11 12:56:00 PM #30:	I'm not arguing that fighters get RELEASED on handhelds; what I'm asking is what fighters were ESSENTIAL to handhelds. What handheld fighting game jumped out there and justified its existence either artistically or through pure popularity? The vast majority of gamers don't use handhelds for complex games like shooters. Just because they CAN be put on handhelds doesn't mean they SHOULD. Now, in the favor of fighting games is that they're formatted perfectly for handheld gaming. You play in bite-sized chunks of like 5 minutes maximum and then your match is over, and then you can choose to invest in another match or close up shop every time a match ends. That's perfect. The issue then as far as justifying their existence on handhelds becomes the gaming community. Is there a large enough group of people clamoring for portable fighting action that justifies their continued production? -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:497034] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> I'm not arguing that fighters get RELEASED on handhelds; what I'm asking is what fighters were ESSENTIAL to handhelds. What handheld fighting game jumped out there and justified its existence either artistically or through pure popularity?The vast majority of gamers don't use handhelds for complex games like shooters. Just because they CAN be put on handhelds doesn't mean they SHOULD.Now, in the favor of fighting games is that they're formatted perfectly for handheld gaming. You play in bite-sized chunks of like 5 minutes maximum and then your match is over, and then you can choose to invest in another match or close up shop every time a match ends. That's perfect. The issue then as far as justifying their existence on handhelds becomes the gaming community. Is there a large enough group of people clamoring for portable fighting action that justifies their continued production? -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 11/01/11 12:56:00 PM #31:	From: Pretty_Odd \| #014 *edwardsdv posted...* you'll be able to play PS3 games on it using the save files from your PS3 using Sonys cloud technology, right? Ummm.... I've never heard anything like this. Then you didn't pay any attention to the Vita whatsoever. Move along, folks. -- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover, God himself, be your hope. You have to be your own hope. <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:497035] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> From: Pretty_Odd \| #014edwardsdv posted...you'll be able to play PS3 games on it using the save files from your PS3 using Sonys cloud technology, right?Ummm.... I've never heard anything like this.Then you didn't pay any attention to the Vita whatsoever. Move along, folks. -- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover, God himself, be your hope. You have to be your own hope. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FateStayAlbion 11/01/11 12:59:00 PM #32:	So you're saying only popular stuff should be made? I play plenty of jrpgs and fighters on my PSP... they aren't big sellers, but I wouldn't be interested in a handheld without those genres. -- http://www.yourgamercards.net/trophy/a/RyanSaotome.png http://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png <cite>FateStayAlbion posted [p:497036] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> So you're saying only popular stuff should be made? I play plenty of jrpgs and fighters on my PSP... they aren't big sellers, but I wouldn't be interested in a handheld without those genres. -- http://www.yourgamercards.net/trophy/a/RyanSaotome.pnghttp://myanimelist.net/signature/RyanSaotome.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranzonEx 11/01/11 1:02:00 PM #33:	From: barreldragon88 \| #021 Just like how the big banks are too big to fail, right? Totally different. -- Black: 3310-7431-2094 <cite>GranzonEx posted [p:497037] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> From: barreldragon88 \| #021Just like how the big banks are too big to fail, right?Totally different. -- Black: 3310-7431-2094 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HanOfTheNekos 11/01/11 1:02:00 PM #34:	Considering that consoles are known to lose money (at least to retailers), I would consider the Vita largely to be a non-factor. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] best [poelkemon ids nifdorino - Timjab <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:497038] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> Considering that consoles are known to lose money (at least to retailers), I would consider the Vita largely to be a non-factor. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE]best [poelkemon ids nifdorino - Timjab </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 11/01/11 1:02:00 PM #35:	justified its existence either artistically* or through pure popularity?* If people are making portable fighting games that don't sell but are considered fantastic, and are distinct portable experiences (i.e. more suited for portables than consoles), then by all means they should continue to be made. Plenty of JRPGs are this way now. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:497039] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> justified its existence either artistically or through pure popularity?If people are making portable fighting games that don't sell but are considered fantastic, and are distinct portable experiences (i.e. more suited for portables than consoles), then by all means they should continue to be made.Plenty of JRPGs are this way now. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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paperwarior 11/01/11 1:03:00 PM #37:	The thing about JRPGs, too, is that they're primarily marketed to people with dedicated game systems, because they're complex. If there's still a market for them on handhelds, there's still a market for dedicated handhelds. Don't worry, Ulti, we're not talking to Guiga. -- Now playing: Saints Row 2, Final Fantasy IV (PSP), Ratchet & Clank <cite>paperwarior posted [p:497041] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> The thing about JRPGs, too, is that they're primarily marketed to people with dedicated game systems, because they're complex. If there's still a market for them on handhelds, there's still a market for dedicated handhelds.Don't worry, Ulti, we're not talking to Guiga. -- Now playing: Saints Row 2, Final Fantasy IV (PSP), Ratchet & Clank </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 11/01/11 1:04:00 PM #38:	I think you're overestimating the popularity of gaming on Smartphones among gamers, Jakyl. While Smartphone gaming is popular these days, I don't think it's because gamers find it an acceptable alternative to a dedicated handheld, it's just that non-gamers are playing them because they're accessible. What I mean to say is, there's little reason to believe that Smartphones or Tablets are actually taking any sales away from handhelds. The only reason the 3DS caused such a severe loss is because the production cost was too high to make the systems reasonably priced. I doubt it had anything to do with the handheld market shrinking. Not that you said this, but I'm thinking you might be thinking this with your talk of portable gaming Armageddon. -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:497042] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> I think you're overestimating the popularity of gaming on Smartphones among gamers, Jakyl. While Smartphone gaming is popular these days, I don't think it's because gamers find it an acceptable alternative to a dedicated handheld, it's just that non-gamers are playing them because they're accessible. What I mean to say is, there's little reason to believe that Smartphones or Tablets are actually taking any sales away from handhelds. The only reason the 3DS caused such a severe loss is because the production cost was too high to make the systems reasonably priced. I doubt it had anything to do with the handheld market shrinking. Not that you said this, but I'm thinking you might be thinking this with your talk of portable gaming Armageddon. -- No problem!This is a cute and pop genocide of love! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 11/01/11 1:06:00 PM #39:	But the other thing about JRPGs is that they're one genre that is PERFECTLY SUITED to be ported over to tablets. In fact, in a lot of cases the gameplay can actually be improved by a touchscreen. Menu time decreases exponentially! -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:497043] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> But the other thing about JRPGs is that they're one genre that is PERFECTLY SUITED to be ported over to tablets.In fact, in a lot of cases the gameplay can actually be improved by a touchscreen. Menu time decreases exponentially! -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 11/01/11 1:08:00 PM #40:	From: Lopen \| #038 I think you're overestimating the popularity of gaming on Smartphones among gamers, Jakyl. While Smartphone gaming is popular these days, I don't think it's because gamers find it an acceptable alternative to a dedicated handheld, it's just that non-gamers are playing them because they're accessible. What I mean to say is, there's little reason to believe that Smartphones or Tablets are actually taking any sales away from handhelds. The only reason the 3DS caused such a severe loss is because the production cost was too high to make the systems reasonably priced. I doubt it had anything to do with the handheld market shrinking. Not that you said this, but I'm thinking you might be thinking this with your talk of portable gaming Armageddon. I'm predicting it in the future, the same way things like newspapers and libraries and the Post Office are staring down an oncoming apocalypse that might be years away, but is still inevitable. We are by no means on the immediate precipice of the smartphone/tablet takeover, but 5 years from now we may very well be. I think there's still plenty of room for both the 3DS and the Vita to be huge successes. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:497044] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> From: Lopen \| #038I think you're overestimating the popularity of gaming on Smartphones among gamers, Jakyl. While Smartphone gaming is popular these days, I don't think it's because gamers find it an acceptable alternative to a dedicated handheld, it's just that non-gamers are playing them because they're accessible. What I mean to say is, there's little reason to believe that Smartphones or Tablets are actually taking any sales away from handhelds. The only reason the 3DS caused such a severe loss is because the production cost was too high to make the systems reasonably priced. I doubt it had anything to do with the handheld market shrinking. Not that you said this, but I'm thinking you might be thinking this with your talk of portable gaming Armageddon.I'm predicting it in the future, the same way things like newspapers and libraries and the Post Office are staring down an oncoming apocalypse that might be years away, but is still inevitable.We are by no means on the immediate precipice of the smartphone/tablet takeover, but 5 years from now we may very well be. I think there's still plenty of room for both the 3DS and the Vita to be huge successes. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pretty_Odd 11/01/11 1:09:00 PM #41:	*UltimaterializerX posted...* You guys still haven't learned to ignore guiga topics? No wonder this board gets trolled so much, you never ignore any of them. Funny, all you do is troll me. -- Kiwi <cite>Pretty_Odd posted [p:497045] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> UltimaterializerX posted...You guys still haven't learned to ignore guiga topics?No wonder this board gets trolled so much, you never ignore any of them.Funny, all you do is troll me. -- Kiwi </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metal_DK 11/01/11 1:11:00 PM #42:	the days of portable console sales in the 80+ million (or in the DS's case, 140 mill) are over. But the vita will be far from a flop, assuming they market the thing correctly. But ya, smartphones have taken a huge chunk out of portable consoles. The past few years has been more about "quick, easy to learn" games. Call it A.D.D, call it the economic decline for most americans causing a desire for less complicated gameplay, call it casuals taking over the market, etc. But thats (for better or for worse) what the largest portion of gamers want these days. -- Pride. Passion. Excellence. Metal_DK Currently playing: Sengoku Rance, Starcraft II <cite>Metal_DK posted [p:497046] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> the days of portable console sales in the 80+ million (or in the DS's case, 140 mill) are over. But the vita will be far from a flop, assuming they market the thing correctly.But ya, smartphones have taken a huge chunk out of portable consoles. The past few years has been more about "quick, easy to learn" games. Call it A.D.D, call it the economic decline for most americans causing a desire for less complicated gameplay, call it casuals taking over the market, etc. But thats (for better or for worse) what the largest portion of gamers want these days. -- Pride. Passion. Excellence. Metal_DKCurrently playing: Sengoku Rance, Starcraft II </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 11/01/11 1:14:00 PM #43:	I don't think it's inevitable until Smartphones/Tablets actually get a library that a gamer would consider getting one of them for. The difference between handhelds and newspapers is that the paper format has been infringed on by news websites already. Handhelds on the other hand still dwarf Smartphones and Tablets in terms of legitimate gaming libraries, and in games that aren't just ports. It's theoretically possible for them to be obsoleted to some extent just looking at the capabilities of the machines, but I wouldn't start calling for the apocalypse until it actually starts happening. Then I might say "give it 5 years." -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:497047] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> I don't think it's inevitable until Smartphones/Tablets actually get a library that a gamer would consider getting one of them for. The difference between handhelds and newspapers is that the paper format has been infringed on by news websites already. Handhelds on the other hand still dwarf Smartphones and Tablets in terms of legitimate gaming libraries, and in games that aren't just ports. It's theoretically possible for them to be obsoleted to some extent just looking at the capabilities of the machines, but I wouldn't start calling for the apocalypse until it actually starts happening. Then I might say "give it 5 years." -- No problem!This is a cute and pop genocide of love! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 11/01/11 1:18:00 PM #44:	You're looking at it as though a gamer is making a choice "Do I buy a smartphone or do I buy a Vita?" That's not the point. The point is that by 2017 or whatever, everyone will ALREADY HAVE a smartphone. Then they won't need to buy a new $250 portable system to play their JRPGs, because market penetration will be so big for smartphones and tablets that people will have already started making versions of them for those platforms. Square already has FF1-3 and Tactics available, and I'll be damned if FFIV isn't on the way knowing their need to put that thing out on every platform since the Atari 2600. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:497048] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> You're looking at it as though a gamer is making a choice "Do I buy a smartphone or do I buy a Vita?" That's not the point.The point is that by 2017 or whatever, everyone will ALREADY HAVE a smartphone. Then they won't need to buy a new $250 portable system to play their JRPGs, because market penetration will be so big for smartphones and tablets that people will have already started making versions of them for those platforms. Square already has FF1-3 and Tactics available, and I'll be damned if FFIV isn't on the way knowing their need to put that thing out on every platform since the Atari 2600. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://img.imgcake.com/Icon/Punkjpguh.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 11/01/11 1:18:00 PM #45:	From: Metal_DK \| #042 the days of portable console sales in the 80+ million (or in the DS's case, 140 mill) are over. But the vita will be far from a flop, assuming they market the thing correctly. But ya, smartphones have taken a huge chunk out of portable consoles. The past few years has been more about "quick, easy to learn" games. Call it A.D.D, call it the economic decline for most americans causing a desire for less complicated gameplay, call it casuals taking over the market, etc. But thats (for better or for worse) what the largest portion of gamers want these days. And see that's where I disagree. You're saying that the smartphones are taking a chunk out of the portable gaming market. I'm saying I've never met a portable gamer that got a smartphone and played games on it. I've met people that happen to have a smartphone because they want it for other things, that happen to use it for gaming from time to time out of boredom, but that's not really the same thing. Basically, until you have people saying things like "well, I could buy the Vita, but my smartphone can play most of the games I want for it so I'll pass," smartphones aren't hurting the portable game market at all-- they're just making an entirely new market. -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:497049] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> From: Metal_DK \| #042the days of portable console sales in the 80+ million (or in the DS's case, 140 mill) are over. But the vita will be far from a flop, assuming they market the thing correctly.But ya, smartphones have taken a huge chunk out of portable consoles. The past few years has been more about "quick, easy to learn" games. Call it A.D.D, call it the economic decline for most americans causing a desire for less complicated gameplay, call it casuals taking over the market, etc. But thats (for better or for worse) what the largest portion of gamers want these days.And see that's where I disagree. You're saying that the smartphones are taking a chunk out of the portable gaming market. I'm saying I've never met a portable gamer that got a smartphone and played games on it. I've met people that happen to have a smartphone because they want it for other things, that happen to use it for gaming from time to time out of boredom, but that's not really the same thing. Basically, until you have people saying things like "well, I could buy the Vita, but my smartphone can play most of the games I want for it so I'll pass," smartphones aren't hurting the portable game market at all-- they're just making an entirely new market. -- No problem!This is a cute and pop genocide of love! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 11/01/11 1:22:00 PM #47:	From: JaKyL25 \| #044 You're looking at it as though a gamer is making a choice "Do I buy a smartphone or do I buy a Vita?" That's not the point. The point is that by 2017 or whatever, everyone will ALREADY HAVE a smartphone. Then they won't need to buy a new $250 portable system to play their JRPGs, because market penetration will be so big for smartphones and tablets that people will have already started making versions of them for those platforms. Square already has FF1-3 and Tactics available, and I'll be damned if FFIV isn't on the way knowing their need to put that thing out on every platform since the Atari 2600. No. I'm looking at it as: "I really want this game on the Vita, but I don't need a Vita because it's been announced for release on my Smartphone" FF1-3 and Tactics is nice, but that's like... not even really scratching the surface. Basically, for Smartphones to obsolete the portable industry, developers need to start devoting as much resources to smartphone game development as they do portable game development now. They can't just randomly release some ports of games whenever they feel like it, even if the games are good, and expect to obsolete the portable market, which is the state of Smartphone gaming right now, pretty much. -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:497051] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #044You're looking at it as though a gamer is making a choice "Do I buy a smartphone or do I buy a Vita?" That's not the point.The point is that by 2017 or whatever, everyone will ALREADY HAVE a smartphone. Then they won't need to buy a new $250 portable system to play their JRPGs, because market penetration will be so big for smartphones and tablets that people will have already started making versions of them for those platforms. Square already has FF1-3 and Tactics available, and I'll be damned if FFIV isn't on the way knowing their need to put that thing out on every platform since the Atari 2600.No. I'm looking at it as: "I really want this game on the Vita, but I don't need a Vita because it's been announced for release on my Smartphone"FF1-3 and Tactics is nice, but that's like... not even really scratching the surface. Basically, for Smartphones to obsolete the portable industry, developers need to start devoting as much resources to smartphone game development as they do portable game development now. They can't just randomly release some ports of games whenever they feel like it, even if the games are good, and expect to obsolete the portable market, which is the state of Smartphone gaming right now, pretty much. -- No problem!This is a cute and pop genocide of love! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 11/01/11 1:24:00 PM #48:	From: JaKyL25 \| #026 "Touch everything" isn't THAT DIFFERENT from mouse controls Yes it is Not to mention the fact that very few games can be played with just a mouse, you need a keyboard too. -- _foolmo_ 'Illegal activities is a slight misnomer, most of it is not related to material that is actually illegal.' - nintendogrl1 <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:497052] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #026"Touch everything" isn't THAT DIFFERENT from mouse controlsYes it isNot to mention the fact that very few games can be played with just a mouse, you need a keyboard too. -- _foolmo_'Illegal activities is a slight misnomer, most of it is not related to material that is actually illegal.' - nintendogrl1 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metal_DK 11/01/11 1:25:00 PM #49:	And see that's where I disagree. You're saying that the smartphones are taking a chunk out of the portable gaming market. I'm saying I've never met a portable gamer that got a smartphone and played games on it. I've met people that happen to have a smartphone because they want it for other things, that happen to use it for gaming from time to time out of boredom, but that's not really the same thing. Basically, until you have people saying things like "well, I could buy the Vita, but my smartphone can play most of the games I want for it so I'll pass," smartphones aren't hurting the portable game market at all-- they're just making an entirely new market. As of right now, the people gfaqs would describe as "hardcore gamers" arent being all "well ill just use my smartphone". You are correct to assume that. But if you dont think smartphones are taking away (for better or for worse) from portable systems, you are crazy. Whats like the #1 or #2 selling game on the DS? Nintendogs. Its sold close to 25 mill. Aka the type of game that would appeal to angry birds and and farmville people. So ya, while we wont be seeing radiant historia or something of the sort on the iphone anytime soon (but as somebody already mentioned...FFs are coming to smartphones), it is taking a chunk out of portable systems sales. Its not "creating some completely brand new market". -- Pride. Passion. Excellence. Metal_DK Currently playing: Sengoku Rance, Starcraft II <cite>Metal_DK posted [p:497053] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> And see that's where I disagree. You're saying that the smartphones are taking a chunk out of the portable gaming market. I'm saying I've never met a portable gamer that got a smartphone and played games on it. I've met people that happen to have a smartphone because they want it for other things, that happen to use it for gaming from time to time out of boredom, but that's not really the same thing.Basically, until you have people saying things like "well, I could buy the Vita, but my smartphone can play most of the games I want for it so I'll pass," smartphones aren't hurting the portable game market at all-- they're just making an entirely new market.As of right now, the people gfaqs would describe as "hardcore gamers" arent being all "well ill just use my smartphone". You are correct to assume that. But if you dont think smartphones are taking away (for better or for worse) from portable systems, you are crazy.Whats like the #1 or #2 selling game on the DS? Nintendogs. Its sold close to 25 mill. Aka the type of game that would appeal to angry birds and and farmville people. So ya, while we wont be seeing radiant historia or something of the sort on the iphone anytime soon (but as somebody already mentioned...FFs are coming to smartphones), it is taking a chunk out of portable systems sales. Its not "creating some completely brand new market". -- Pride. Passion. Excellence. Metal_DKCurrently playing: Sengoku Rance, Starcraft II </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 11/01/11 1:26:00 PM #50:	From: Lopen \| #045 And see that's where I disagree. You're saying that the smartphones are taking a chunk out of the portable gaming market. I'm saying I've never met a portable gamer that got a smartphone and played games on it. I've met people that happen to have a smartphone because they want it for other things, that happen to use it for gaming from time to time out of boredom, but that's not really the same thing. Basically, until you have people saying things like "well, I could buy the Vita, but my smartphone can play most of the games I want for it so I'll pass," smartphones aren't hurting the portable game market at all-- they're just making an entirely new market. To be fair, he is predicting exactly that- I just don't see that ever being the case. Theresa decent amount of business done with the current business models for big developers to want to fully embrace smartphone/tablet gaming. And the beauty of the nextgen portable market, by the way, is that it can do basically everything. The limited touch capabilities can be used to make good RTSes in ways that werent previously possible for instance. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:497054] in Could Vita... [t:60846071]...</cite> <quote> From: Lopen \| #045And see that's where I disagree. You're saying that the smartphones are taking a chunk out of the portable gaming market. I'm saying I've never met a portable gamer that got a smartphone and played games on it. I've met people that happen to have a smartphone because they want it for other things, that happen to use it for gaming from time to time out of boredom, but that's not really the same thing. Basically, until you have people saying things like "well, I could buy the Vita, but my smartphone can play most of the games I want for it so I'll pass," smartphones aren't hurting the portable game market at all-- they're just making an entirely new market.To be fair, he is predicting exactly that- I just don't see that ever being the case.Theresa decent amount of business done with the current business models for big developers to want to fully embrace smartphone/tablet gaming. And the beauty of the nextgen portable market, by the way, is that it can do basically everything. The limited touch capabilities can be used to make good RTSes in ways that werent previously possible for instance. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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