Board 8 > World of Warcraft on its last legs.

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Damn that does sound like a blatant rip-off of Pokemon

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From: UltimaterializerX | #084
Blizzard is overhyped and pverpraised. Diablo 1, Diablo 2 and Starcraft are in my opinion the only good games they've ever made

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Cata isn't perfect; one thing it has for it is actual difficulty and replayability. Opinion based of course, but WotLK was basically one big faceroll grind. With Cataclysm the dungeon areas are a least a little more challenging and require some thought to complete.

And yeah, it's a huge ripoff of Pokemon but it's pretty hilarious. I personally am a big collector of the vanity pets and I'm a bit... intrigued by the system. I'm not sure if I am excited for it or dreading what new scourge it will bring to my quiet little world of collection.

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Blizzard is underhyped on this board, by the way. Hugely. Warcraft is the best series they have (a lot of people won't be admitting this because hating WoW is really cool), but there are some other cool games. One mentioned above, Blackthorne, Rock n' Roll Racing... both really cool games I enjoyed.

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Blackthorne sucked

Lost Vikings and R&R Racing are the BEES KNEES though, yeah.






I dont really care about the whole downgrade from Deathwing to whatever the hell were doing in Pandaria, because Blizzard just dun goofed it with Deathwing(Worse than they did with Illidan). From what they say, MoP will bring the War back to Warcraft and I for one welcome this.

Since Garrosh and Shadow the Warchief clone sure as hell failed at that.

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Nice catch BlAcK TuRtLe.
But too bad your ass got SAAAAAAAAAAACKED.*tackles*

What I want more development on is the Forsaken lore.

Still so fascinating to me.

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Justin_Crossing posted...
Ulduar is generally considered an outright glorious raid. Among the best. Bad time to quit.

I'm late on this, but yeah. Ulduar was f***ing amazing as hell.

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I quit sometime after Sunwell, then came back to help some friends kill Arthas and quit again after 2 months of that. Wasn't very fun anymore tbh.

but lol at pandas and pokemon pets.

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I hated Warcraft before WoW ever happened, try again.

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Vinateri was using his god powers on the Pats and then was like "Wait I'm a Colt now lol" and now you have it.

Lost Vikings is the only one I haven't played, not in a huge rush though.

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Vinateri was using his god powers on the Pats and then was like "Wait I'm a Colt now lol" and now you have it.

Warcraft had the best lore out of all the blizzard games until WoW was made.

BC is when lore started getting to "what the hell?" levels.

Vanilla it was fine.

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Nice catch BlAcK TuRtLe.
But too bad your ass got SAAAAAAAAAAACKED.*tackles*

I think WotLK handled the lore it was given pretty well. Vanilla, BC, and Lich King are fairly independent lore-wise.

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No it didnt. Storm Peaks/Ulduar stuff was the only lore related thing that was consistently good.

Everything else was tossed aside/hideously underdeveloped(Maly) to Outright Stupid at times(Half of Arthas' stuff). They both had good stuff to em, but a lot of the major stuff with them was just "wat"

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Nice catch BlAcK TuRtLe.
But too bad your ass got SAAAAAAAAAAACKED.*tackles*

I mean, WoW still a great mmorpg. But to have both Illidan and Arthas be killed by a random group of adventurers. Totally stupid.

I do like how with Arthas,


Big spoilers



Two paladins independently tell you that he absolutely evil and has nothing good in him whatsoever, one of them literally looking into Athas' literal heart, only for it to be "revealed" that Arthas was good all along and keeping the Scourge from doing worse. I also like the official "canon" novels say Arthas overwhelmed Ner'zhul and Ner'zhul doesn't exist anymore, but WoW itself contradicts that.

No wait, those are things I hate.

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None Piece Abridged Luffy: What the **** is a plot!?

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When's this gonna be released? I kinda doubt I'll have any time to go back to WoW for quite some time.

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But to have both Illidan and Arthas be killed by a random group of adventurers. Totally stupid.

Illidan technically got killed by Maiev, and Arthas actually outright kills your group. It's Tirion basically killing him by possibly the most "what" DEM in the whole series.

It looked cool but can't deny the "what" of it.

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Nice catch BlAcK TuRtLe.
But too bad your ass got SAAAAAAAAAAACKED.*tackles*

The Blizzard community seems to be at a pretty confused juncture right now. Half of them insist Cataclysm was terribad and the series was being driven into the ground by it, and see Pandaria as the series savior. Half of them seem to have enjoyed that and now see Pandaria as the final nail in its coffin.

Such a strange fanbase that seems eternally unhappy with everything.

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From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #119
But to have both Illidan and Arthas be killed by a random group of adventurers. Totally stupid.

Illidan technically got killed by Maiev, and Arthas actually outright kills your group. It's Tirion basically killing him by possibly the most "what" DEM in the whole series.

It looked cool but can't deny the "what" of it.

Meh. There is just soo much more they could have done with Arthas and Illidan, lore wise.

Oh I agree, Blizzard even admited they totally ****ed up with Illidan.

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Nice catch BlAcK TuRtLe.
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You are not prepared....

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Clearly Blizzard wasn't <_<

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__Smurf__ posted...
The Blizzard community seems to be at a pretty confused juncture right now. Half of them insist Cataclysm was terribad and the series was being driven into the ground by it, and see Pandaria as the series savior. Half of them seem to have enjoyed that and now see Pandaria as the final nail in its coffin.

Such a strange fanbase that seems eternally unhappy with everything.

This could literally be said about every American presidential election since the 80's. It's not that WoW's fanbase is odd compared to most people, it's that WoW has become so big and polarizing that the people playing it are MORE like most people than the average video game fanbase.

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Clearly Blizzard wasn't <_<


XD

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Wonder how TOR is gonna look.

Last screenshot I saw looked damn good (although I assume that was with all graphics at max)

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Reportedly it's below the current MMOs average graphic wise.

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I haven't played WoW in a while, but I remember the Panderans being more requested then any other single feature... and now Blizzard finally adds them and people get upset?

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FateStayAlbion posted...
I haven't played WoW in a while, but I remember the Panderans being more requested then any other single feature... and now Blizzard finally adds them and people get upset?

The problem is that the Panderan are jokes. That's not an exaggeration, they are literally an April Fool's Day joke that was made canon because people thought that samurai panda were hilarious. Eventually someone realized that Japan =/= China and they were retooled as Panda monks, but the end result is that it's still the same thing as if Street Fighter took Sheng Long and turned him into a real charaokay that's a bad example.

As for monks... I'm uncertain of that. I am certain of what I think of the pokemon change, though.

Not that it really matters for me, since I stopped playing WoW long ago.

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Oh crap, they're completely redoing the entire talent tree system?

http://us.battle.net/blizzcon/en/blog/3773320/World_of_Warcraft_Class_Talent_System-10_21_2011#blog

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http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2516-World-of-Warcraft-Mists-of-Pandaria-Preview-Panel

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but the brewmaster was the best tavern hero in war 3!

Eh, firelord, dark ranger and beastmaster were/are great too. A lot of people liked the naga too...though i never did.

Anyway, blizzard just needs to retire wow. The game has been stale for years now.

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Here's a relevant Blue post from the forums:

As Chris Metzen said in his interview on DirecTV just after opening ceremony, the pandaren race was originally planned to be added as the Alliance race in The Burning Crusade.

There are a number of reasons why that didn't happen, but none of them are because we thought they wouldn't make for compelling characters with interesting stories and living environments. We've wanted to add the pandaren people into the game for a long time. And, when recording feedback over the years from events like BlizzCon and many other avenues, the number one request (by a large margin) has been for us to add pandaren to the game. A lot of people want it and we feel the timing's just right post-Cataclysm.

We want the next expansion to be less focused on a primary antagonist, and more on the conflict between the Horde and the Alliance after the fall of Deathwing, particularly as a new land with diverse and foreign cultures is discovered.

The original World of Warcraft didn't have a primary antagonist and that wasn't strange to most players. Granted, we've set a precedent in the last few expansions of having the one major bad boy. But now, we want to focus much more on creating a bunch of varied content which lets you choose what you want to do in the game on any given day. We want to focus more on what's fun than what you have to do to excel -- and, by that, I mean we want more progression paths in the game to better cater to the extremely diverse player population.

We wouldn't have gone forward with this idea if we weren't confident about whether or not we're breathing some new life into the game and changing up the formula.

I understand the debate over this isn't going to be settled today -- or over the weekend -- but give it a bit to sink in, check out the remaining panels (including the Q&A panel tomorrow), and be on the lookout for more information about our design intent for Mists of Pandaria.

As a side note, even with some of the inappropriate comments and spam going on today, we do still really appreciate how passionate everyone is about the direction of the game. We share that passion and look forward to continuing to divulge our evolving philosophy on making this the funnest game possible. And we'll make sure there are plenty of opportunities for open conversations between community managers, developers, and players as time advances (it's difficult for me to follow any thread for too long while working BlizzCon). For instance, we'll be doing a CoverItLive developer Q&A next week with Lead Content Designer, Cory "Mumper" Stockton, and Lead Systems Designer, Greg "Ghostcrawler" Street, next week. Stay tuned for more info on that!

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redrocket posted...
and, by that, I mean we want more progression paths in the game to better cater to the extremely diverse player population.

"Now, we're going to remove two gear slots for every single class and restructure the talent trees so they're much more simplistic."

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Chen was my favorite in WC3 and I've been wanting to play a Panderan for a while. This is a good thing.

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The only way MoP wont piss people off(s'more I mean) like Cata did is if they actually do everything they said theyre gonna do, and go beyond that in content.

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Nice catch BlAcK TuRtLe.
But too bad your ass got SAAAAAAAAAAACKED.*tackles*

From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #137
The only way MoP wont piss people off(s'more I mean) like Cata did is if they actually do everything they said theyre gonna do, and go beyond that in content.

total of like 14 raid bosses after tier 1 raids. 'what'

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From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #137
The only way MoP wont piss people off(s'more I mean) like Cata did is if they actually do everything they said theyre gonna do, and go beyond that in content.

Blizzard holding its promises?

LOL

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From: Justin_Crossing | #138
total of like 14 raid bosses after tier 1 raids. 'what'

These bosses better be like four horsemen level of hard....

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A lot of people call the Firelands one of the more challenging raids that's been created recently, and Ragnaros is statistically one of the hardest bosses ever created.

Whine whine whine. My feel good topic languishing, this whiner topic prevailing.

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didn't firelands hardmode get cleared within a week or two?

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Nice catch BlAcK TuRtLe.
But too bad your ass got SAAAAAAAAAAACKED.*tackles*

I'm not sure how that's applicable or relevant. And no, he was killed first on July 19th, the patch released June 28th. Last I checked the number of guilds that have killed him doesn't exceed 10.

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3 weeks for a hardmode clear of all bosses is pretty bad actually(haw haw Ensidia you lose again)

Dunno what youre smoking but there's been about 700+ guilds that beaten hardmode Rags(though about 200+ of that is 25 man. But If its anything like the tier before, 10 mans were harder anyways).

And what does Blizzard do? They nerf firelands.

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Nice catch BlAcK TuRtLe.
But too bad your ass got SAAAAAAAAAAACKED.*tackles*

From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #144
3 weeks for a hardmode clear of all bosses is pretty bad actually(haw haw Ensidia you lose again)

Dunno what youre smoking but there's been about 700+ guilds that beaten hardmode Rags(though about 200+ of that is 25 man. But If its anything like the tier before, 10 mans were harder anyways).

And what does Blizzard do? They nerf firelands.

It's not surprising at all that they nerfed it. It's just surprising when they nerfed it. I don't get why people are getting so up in arms about it though.

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I thought the hardest boss ever in WoW was C'thun when he was first released

Heck Twin emps is always hard with a group who doesn't know what they are doing.

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From: vcharon | #141
A lot of people call the Firelands one of the more challenging raids that's been created recently, and Ragnaros is statistically one of the hardest bosses ever created.

Whine whine whine. My feel good topic languishing, this whiner topic prevailing.

WoW seems to have a fanbase that literally enjoys whining and to whine about a feature in their books is showing affection. If people really are unhappy with the game direction it'll be reflected in a subscription dropoff, much like the one which happened throughout cataclysm. Its probably much better at this stage to base an expansions success on its impact to subs than what folks say on forums.

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I'd say the hardest boss is the Horde... while playing as the Horde. Not only do you have to fight the Alliance, but you have to verbally fight the Horde at the same time.

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Shoenin_Kakashi posted...
3 weeks for a hardmode clear of all bosses is pretty bad actually(haw haw Ensidia you lose again)

Dunno what youre smoking but there's been about 700+ guilds that beaten hardmode Rags(though about 200+ of that is 25 man. But If its anything like the tier before, 10 mans were harder anyways).

And what does Blizzard do? They nerf firelands.

The numbers were from August.

Even members of those elite guilds say Heroic Firelands was very challenging and praised Blizzard for it. Unless you are now some member of the elite guilds that have actually beaten him, I think I'm going to take their word for it.

Anyway, why would it impact you? Have you even beaten Ragnaros on normal? Why whine?

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Aaaaand Illidan's death is being retconned, and there are rumors Arthas' will be too. Neither would surprise me. Hilariously, the one character Blizzard claimed is definitely not coming back is Kael'thas.

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