Board 8 > The Walking Dead premieres TONIGHT!

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It was worth watching simply to see the result of that poll.

Best thing.

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Ok yeah that poll was pretty damn amazing.

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What poll?

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How long would you spend looking for someone else's child.

99.9% said they wouldn't spend any time at all

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From: RevolverSaro | #054
How long would you spend looking for someone else's child.

99.9% said they wouldn't spend any time at all

Maybe people aren't so dumb!

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Looks like they're going to start the "farm" story

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Alecohol posted...
I like the show, but it hasn't really drawn me in like the graphic novel, and I do not like graphic novels much.

Particularly they have made Andrea pretty lame, when she's awesome in the comics. I get that they want to show more character development (which is harder in a TV show) so I hope it's good in the long run, but it is still annoying.

At least Darryl is awesome.

They're comics. There is a difference.

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Finally watched it.

Why are they making Andrea suuuuuuuck?

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To point out what they should avoid and what they should do when creating original characters, I'd like to draw a comparison between Derryl and T-Dawg. Both are unique characters to the show.

T-Dawg: Just randomly thrown in to have a slightly edgier topic on the show: racism. His entire role on the show revolves around the fact he's black. Case in point, this clip from next week:

http://www.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/videos/the-walking-dead-sneak-peek-episode-202-bloodletting

This would be compelling drama...if this were the 1990s. Not to say there isn't racism today, but having a character on the show who's sole point is to highlight the race issue in this age feels a bit anachronistic. There is no personal drama concerning his character beyond that and it really holds back the show.

Derryl on the other hand is much more interesting. I"m curious to see what his story this season will be, but last season he was very interesting. He was a man who came from a redneck background, and initially they've tried to play up his racism, but they quickly aborted. Now he's much more than that. They're playing up more of his more interesting traits: his hunting and tracking experience, his cunning, etc. In short, Derryl is not one dimensional, though I would say he's two dimensional though. However, there is still time to hub him out more.

There are things I definitely don't like about the show. And note: I'm ok with them making differences from the comic. I'm not ok with shoddy writing.

Here are my concerns:

1 - The love triangle between Lori, Rick and Shane. It's not very compelling at all. I can see why they'd want to attempt it, since the average viewer would eat that crap up. But it's being juggled so badly. That said, I see them milking this out as long as possible.

2 - T-Dawg. He REALLY has to go. He's not interesting at all. Now if they can write a storyline for him beyond "lol the redneck cops hate me cause I'm black (despite the fact they've bailed me out several times already) then he's a waste of screentime. And frankly, I think its kind of racist itself to have a black character who's biggest problem is he's black. There is just so much more they could do. Hell, if they wanted to have a black character on the show, they could have had Morgan meet up with the group. Or (though I hate to use an example from the comic) have a character named Tyrese show up. Both of which have their own problems. Instead of writing a black character, they should have written a character who happened to be black.

And apparently people who don't like parts of the show are accused of just wanting non-stop action. I'm perfectly okay with character development. Just not piss-poor attempts at character development

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From: RevolverSaro | #059
Hell, if they wanted to have a black character on the show, they could have had Morgan meet up with the group. Or (though I hate to use an example from the comic) have a character named Tyrese show up.

Hey now, what's wrong with Tyreese? Tyreese is awesome and I can't wait for him to show up in the show. Also the Morgan example....also is from the comics. <_<

On the contrary, I think that if you're going to adapt a story from a comic book, you should not be afraid to actually use the material in the comic book. I'm not against them coming up with different ideas, but when the writers can't come up with anything better (Derryl being the only exception), why avoid what's already there?

Though it is really only very early on in the second season...still, I wasn't really a fan of the premiere. Not enough happened. Even the series premiere had more going on than this, and was way more enjoyable to watch.

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Oh, don't get me wrong I love Tyreese. He was one of my favorite characters, but I didn't want to have an example because I didn't want it to come across as if I only wanted characters from the comic. I'm ok with new characters. I just want all the characters in general to be well written.

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Well, they touched on why they're doing new stuff/not sticking 100% to the GN in the show after, saying that they want to still be able to surprise people/not have people knowing exactly what's going to happen to the characters.

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I feel like 99 percent of you would hate the Wire. I found this episode absolutely riveting. I'll start from the beginning. The moral dilemmas this show is never afraid to tackle. The line in the sand each character is willing to draw is right in your face reminding you that these characters probably don't like each other, have nothing in common, and are together strictly by coincidence and survival. Then we had THE ZOMBIE HERD. That was the most tense 5 minutes I can remember. It felt like 20. I like the direction they've take Daryl. He went from caricature to character. While some of you pine for more of his ass kicking in the whole this is what I wish I could be during a zombie apocalypse fantasy, this is survival horror, not Nazi Zombies on call of duty. His actions are best used sparingly. The girl disappearing and the problems it caused are a fantastic way to open the series. Let's see how strong Atlas' shoulders really are. Rick continues to be the star of this show. Every minute he looks ready to explode. I was waiting for the religious engagements to take effect and this episode handled it expertly. You see true believers and those looking for help in a crisis. The church massacre was epic. And finally, the finish. Wow. Just wow. Hours later i've had time to digest it and understand the little kid probably won't die, but the pure shock value of the moment was a perfect finale. This show has no bright spots. There is no optimism at the end of the tunnel. There is no hope or joyous outlook. The world is over run by zombies, civilization is crumbled, and humans are going to be forced to shed the facade of humanity. Brilliant. The best part of every Romero movie encapsulated in a television series.

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From: TheConductorSix | #063
The moral dilemmas this show is never afraid to tackle. The line in the sand each character is willing to draw is right in your face reminding you that these characters probably don't like each other, have nothing in common, and are together strictly by coincidence and survival.

I don't mind moral dilemmas and methodical character development, but The Walking Dead's problem is that it too often shovels it all down our throats. Rick and the others talk about MY DECISION MY CHOICE MY MORALS I CAN'T LIVE WITH THIS HOW CAN WE DO THAT TO A HUMAN

They talk about it all the time, like a dozen times per episode. The audience gets it. Can't there be some way to write the show more subtly than to basically raise a large neon sign that says MORAL DILEMMA TIME every other scene.

Again, this might just be Breaking Bad syndrome. I caught every episode of The Walking Dead as it aired last season and loved it - the first show I was pumped for in lord knows how long. I heard about Breaking Bad and thought there was no way it could be as good. How can it be better than this amazing zombie show? Then I watched it and was all "oh that's how." The Walking Dead is still pretty damn awesome, but BB reduces it to crap. It reduces everything to crap. I'm worried a part of me will find Skyward Sword disappointing because Walter White ain't in it. >_>

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From: TheConductorSix | #063
I feel like 99 percent of you would hate the Wire.

I think I like this less because the Wire has ruined so much for me.

I still enjoy Walking Dead, but I can clearly recognize the flaws.

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I like having the black guy around because race and who we trust based on it are important facets to this whole being human thing. We're only 7 episodes in but I too hope they give him a bigger or more varied role than exploring one section of human psychology. The Love Triangle is the most compelling non-zombie portion of the show. Shane's near rape and overall bordering on the edge of falling apartness everytime he's around the group, Rick's ignorance of the situation and unyielding loyalty, and his wife's strength in a bad situation. I would call it the best on tv but Homeland is just murdering right now.

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Breaking Bad is the first show since the Wire that actually perfected the art of storytelling and detailed character development with complete subtlety. Beth shows are completely confident in not only the plot but the audience to understand what's going on. Walking Dead gets it partially right. Rick's Wife always feels the need to be the voice of righteousness, and while such a character is needed, I prefer the silent disagreement the rest of the cast put forward. I also like that later in the show, after another vocal outburst--this One a whole lot more necessary seeing as she was speaking for the audience--their silent agreement served as the rare bit of optimism for the way of civilization and humanity. A sign that their line in the sand still hasn't been washed away. Also, i'm confused as to why suicide girl has garnered so much hate with you guys. She is the character that has brought out the most emotion in me. Her anger at not being allowed to die her way was both deranged yet poignant. She's conveying emotions I think everyone is cognizant of but too afraid to admit aloud.

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Know who I do like in the show?

Dale the old guy.

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TheConductorSix posted...
Also, i'm confused as to why suicide girl has garnered so much hate with you guys. She is the character that has brought out the most emotion in me. Her anger at not being allowed to die her way was both deranged yet poignant. She's conveying emotions I think everyone is cognizant of but too afraid to admit aloud.

It's because she's being a b**** in the show while in the comics she's a badass. Her storyline here just isn't very compelling. Plus her actress is annoying. In a show that's going to be very dark and depressing from the get go such as this you need interesting, uplifting characters. The comics get this right. They make you care about most of these people and you really root for them. Nothing about about the characters on the show is very interesting though. I don't care if they pull through or if every single one of them (minus Darryl) dies.

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TheConductorSix posted...
Also, i'm confused as to why suicide girl has garnered so much hate with you guys. She is the character that has brought out the most emotion in me. Her anger at not being allowed to die her way was both deranged yet poignant. She's conveying emotions I think everyone is cognizant of but too afraid to admit aloud.

It's because she's being a b**** in the show while in the comics she's a badass. Her storyline here just isn't very compelling. Plus her actress is annoying. In a show that's going to be very dark and depressing from the get go such as this you need interesting, uplifting characters. The comics get this right. They make you care about most of these people and you really root for them. Nothing about about the characters on the show is very interesting though. I don't care if they pull through or if every single one of them (minus Darryl) dies.

Finally someone who knows that they're comics.

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I don't fully get the complaint about Andrea. She's rather depressed and emotional by this point in the comics, too. She doesn't become "badass" until later on.

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This is episode 7. Did anyone care for ANY of the characters by comic 7? I sure as hell didn't. Give it time to develop.

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Seriously Board 8, when did you become the ignorant television watching majority? We're 7 episodes in, not even a full season for a major drama, and you're already making wild accusations about character development. How is Andrea I B Word? Because she spoke her mind about a real situation? I'd be pissed if I were her too. If I wanna give up and die my way then F You for stealing that from me and expectin gratitude. Dale was good of heart but completely pretentious and way out of his jurisdiction there. Perhaps it's because there is a book series because I got the same ridiculous posts from the near perfect Game of Thrones Season 1.

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I think 8.5 hours of a show is more than enough to start analyzing character development

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Yous guyz are saying 7 episodes in as if that's nothing. When 6 episodes is a season, each one holds more weight. Dur.

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That first season was short and mainly served as a precursor, which is a large reason why it was so up and down. We are just NOW getting to any sort of development now that the shock value of the world ending has, well, ended, and people are finally letting true colors show. Daryl was really just submissive of his dominant brother last season which is why he had no personality. The only character who got any development was the phenomenal Shane. And once again, I have no clue how people consider Andrea negative. Dale treated her like a child and she responded accordingly. She wants to leave with Shane because she realized there's no going back from a situation where everyone saw you try to kill yourself. She has been the most sane, mature, stooped realism person so far.

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There's 13 episodes this season.

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I don't think anyone is attacking andrea's "character development" in that she lacks it, I just think, like skylar in breaking bad, they think she is a *****. I don't agree, I like Andrea, in fact she is my favorite character right now. But that is the impression I am getting from everyone here. Not really getting the Daryl lovefest either, he is cool, but hardly the most compelling character of the bunch. This episode has slow parts, the jesus crap needs to go, but overall it was well done. The beginning with the herd was incredibly tense, it made me uncomfortable.

And all the people wondering why T-Dog is still there...he is still there so they can kill a character off at some point and not have it be someone important. Duh. Did you really expect it to happen in the first episode?

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Just started watching this series yesterday since there was a marathon of the first season. So far I like Daryl, Glenn, Rick and Dale most. I'm not sure how different the source material is, but the female characters in the show kind of seem pointless. The emotional stuff they bring does nothing for me and I don't think any of them are interesting either yet. This show needs a female similar to Daryl.

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ConductorSix, you're basically describing why I love the Walking Dead books so much, it's just that I feel the characters were handled better in the comics then they've been presented in the show.

For example - how does Dale looking out for someone he cares about by attempting to stop her from committing suicide "childish?"

Anyways, I guess for me, part of the suspense is lost because I know the basics of what's going to happen, and I have expectations of what characters should be. The changes are supposed to mitigate that but I don't feel like they've used them well.

And either way...it didn't really stop this episode from being very fillery, IMO.

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I understand that they think she's a B Word. What I don't understand is Why. The lady who lost her daughter was the biggest B Word. Her daughter gets chased by zombies and you didn't see her chasing after them and yet she's pointing fingers and giving Rick a hard time. She deserves the negativity, not Andrea. In real life, i'm like Daryl. I'd just use physical force and violence to pave my way. But this isn't the most efficient way, which is why Daryl isn't a big deal for me. I find Andrea fascinating. A character who is the exact opposite of Daryl. While he is content to ignorantly fight for a minimalistic survival rate, she understands the futility and is willing to end it her way.

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COMIC BOOK READER POINT OF VIEW: She makes sense in both the show and the comics, but in completely different ways. Of the two characters who make sense, the comic one is more enjoyable.

REGULAR TV WATCHER POINT OF VIEW: It's down the highway, not across the street!

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What I don't understand is Why

Me neither. My theory is that anytime a female character gets all uppity and is more than eye candy, they are called a *****.

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Dale was childish as Hell. It's childish to think you have the right to control whether someone lives or dies. It's also childish to think people don't want to end their lives on their own terms. What he Did was noble and good hearted but childish. Again, if you're coming from the comics you're going to have to adapt much like the Game of Thrones people have to adjust. Good television and good reading can have common enjoyments but are separate entities that not only will differ but have to. Andrea's character is a necessary and welcome figure on a show this destitute. There has to be that one person who wants to escape the madness. If drugs or alcohol ever become a part of the show she will be the most likely addict. She won't try and kill herself again but she definitely wants an escape.

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See, you keep saying that Andrea needs to be that way because the show is bleak and dismal. What makes you think the comics don't have the same tone? <_<

And putting aside Andrea's perceived *****-iness or lack thereof, we can all agree that Lori is a *****, right?

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From: HeroDelTiempo17 | #085
See, you keep saying that Andrea needs to be that way because the show is bleak and dismal. What makes you think the comics don't have the same tone? <_<

TV is a different medium.

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Who cares about any of the women? It's all about Darryl Dixon, baby! How crazy is it that the best character on this show has never shown up in the comic?

At least till we get Michonne next year...

Andrea's a ***** because she said she isn't hurting anyone else during the speech of hers.

That doesn't mean she hasn't had a decent amount of character development though. Not to mention this is only the seventh episode of the series.

It's like people don't even read. Television and Books not only differ but HAVE to. There is a reason the Harry Potter movies remove things that the readers considered pertinent. Same with Game of Thrones. Walking Dead is in an even worse situation when in comes to changing things because they're on cable. They have commercials and ratings to deal with. They have to leave you hanging. They can't have the true gruesomeness that the Comics offered. But they do their damn best to incorporate the bleak desperation. Certain stereotypes and stigmas have to be shoved down the cable tv audiences throat but they've done a great job in keeping it interesting. Rick's Wife tries to make things better with her righteous optimism while Andrea inherently brings them back into the bleak with her brutal realism. Typical female characters carried out in a smart enough fashion to make them feel unique.

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Michonne doesn't show up till next year? Aw. Do we at least get Tyreese this season? Even though they seem to have skipped the bit where he shows up, though I guess they could shoe-horn that in anywhere.

Also, while I do think Daryl is the boss, I think Glen and Dale are spot on.

And lay off Andrea. She BECOMES badass, but that's after she gets her mitts on a rifle and gets an awesome face-scar. Early Andrea was just mopey.

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FAHtastic posted...

Also, while I do think Daryl is the boss, I think Glen and Dale are spot on.

Oh I agree completely. Glen is my favorite character in the comic atm, and his character is portrayed perfectly here. And Dale.... that's all Jeff deMunn. Totally different character from the comics, with some real age-ripened wisdom. He's doing an amazing job. Tbh, BETTER than in the comics. In fact, my only complaint at this point is with Sophia's mom, but I never liked her to begin with.

So, in response to Sophia's mom... let's go to prison!

How the women are looked at and treated are one of the show's highlights. Not surprising from the channel of Mad Men. The only woman given a semblance of respect is Rick's wife and that's only because she's the wife of the leader. Human beings with the mask of humanity ripped off. The basis of nearly all zombie and or apocalyptic media and one Walking Dead does to near perfection.

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Tremendous episode, best one yet, off to a great start this season.

(Remember to check out the author's comic Invincible too, it's awesome.)

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I'd love to see Andrea's white knights defend her after this episode. Still the worst character in fiction.

Literally gave Laurie a standing ovation when she told her to STFU.

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Oh man people are actually hating on Andrea in this topic.

I guess you're all gonna pretend you weren't 100% against me calling her a terrible character last season.

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From: TheConductorSix | #084
Dale was childish as Hell. It's childish to think you have the right to control whether someone lives or dies.

Are you for real? If somebody you know tells you they're gonna kill themselves, and they're being serious, you're just gonna do nothing?

And anyway, that's not the first thing she's done that made me hate her. I could make a list of everything she has done that has annoyed me but it would be easier just to list everything she has ever done.

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Yyyeah. Situation is different when someone in real life intends to commit suicide and when Andrea wanted to in the Walking Dead. In the real world, whatever is making you want to kill yourself will probably get better. Not so much for Andrea, here. She has absolutely no reason to think it's even possible for things to get better at this point.

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