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I actually haven't been reading the topic, I just saw Ulti post and then people argue with him, and figured it was more of them same.

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I actually haven't been reading the topic, I just saw Ulti post and then people argue with him, and figured it was more of them same.

Ah right. Well, I guess I can't blame you for that assumption!

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To say that a diet "doesn't work" because people don't follow the diet is highly misleading.

It's only misleading in the sense that "doesn't work" isn't properly defined, (a sin that I wish I could repent for!) But the fact remains that people can't stay on the diet as is!

If you want to argue that "making healthy choices and exercising" is some hugely difficult thing to adhere to, that's an entirely different discussion (although you'll have a hard time convincing people that "choosing an apple over an apple pie" is some stupendous sign of strength).

If it's an easy thing, why don't more people do it then? My model has more predictive value than yours, like, you claim that Americans are lazy and weak willed, yet you don't explain why they've become more lazy and weak willed. Hell, I'm going to deny you the information when the obesity epidemic started so you can put yourself out there and claim a time period over which we become weak and decrepit.

Actually, no, these are not healthy alternatives to lose weight. But you know this already.

Also false! In part. Regular 16 hour fasts are not unhealthy alternatives to weightloss and can be stated in fewer lines than your guidelines. This isn't even including taking in all food in liquid form through a straw or diets which have higher adherence rates but just define "healthy" differently than you

Seriously though, it's not difficult to find out a) how many calories are burned in a typical, non-intensive day, b) how many calories you burn during exercise, and c) how many calories are in the food you eat. Just chalk up a quick balance sheet.

Except that if I were to believe what google tells it logically follows that 1) Any person's meal plan is a meticulously measured regime or an exact series of coincidences which just happened to match up to your current metabolism. People would gain or lose 15lbdepending on whether they eat or abstain from one mouthful of food each day, and there is zero evidence that any biological mechanism can achieve that degree of accuracy in measurement. 2) It can't even tell you what a typical, non-intensive day for each person is. What happens when you walk to work? Commute? Drive? Take the stairs? etc. It's too vague to predict anything about anyone. 3) ...It doesn't even chart how much calories you burn during exercise properly. Seriously, how do you think they measure that? Can you honestly claim that an obese person cycling or swimming burns anywhere near the same calories as a slim woman burns during the same time period? 4) How the hell do you think they measure they measure calories in food? They burn it in a chamber. Which is obviously identical to how a human body processes any and all calories.

No, what I mean to say is the following: take the typical American diet, remove the majority of high-fat/high-sugar options and replace it with healthier (yet still convenient) options, and I guarantee that obesity will drop dramatically. "High carb and low fat" isn't what I'm getting at

I agree with this, although the specifics of "high-fat/high sugar" I will need to know in depth before committing to a position.

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Too many studies to count have shown that a sedative lifestyle leads to greater risk of stroke, heart attack, and the like.

Counterpoint: observational studies, even longitudinal ones done on the large scale show only correlations, not causations. It's entirely possible that people who are at greater risk of CHD and related illnesses have more sedentary lifestyles because whatever factors give rise to those diseases also discourages an active lifestyle.

I'm going to say that I'm being slightly dishonest here; I don't believe that exercise has zero effect, in fact, I believe it is highly beneficial. What I do believe is that too many people downplay and oversimplify what exercise does, to the point where it's highly misleading and inaccurate.

As a quick aside, there very possibly could be an "optimal diet"- which I mentioned earlier- that casts aside entirely the folk wisdom I'm employing here. But I'm not concerned with the "optimal diet" (although I would encourage you to explain what, exactly, that would look like).

...But that automatically rules out any possible diet that I could propose! Seriously, is there any possible way where I can fulfill your requirements when you've declared by fiat that only "common knowledge" diets are allowed?

Even ignoring that, there's probably around five diets in the collective consciousness (Mostly atkins and its variants) with more effective and direct results than the commonly prescribed "eat less" diet. One hypereffective, yet impractical method (drink all your food through a straw with as bland a taste as possible)

They probably could, but would require a) an unusually high metabolism, and b) a good deal more exercise.

So if I show you a sedentary fat person who has lost weight on the diet without exercise, that means you'd be wrong?

Anything works, really. Again, I'm sure this will frustrate you, but I'm not making claims about the best possible diet.

This frustrates me because you are literally proposing a national dietary/exercise regime with little to no research unironically and this somehow doesn't strike you as unusual or wrong. It's this sort of short sighted, pigheaded "oh it's good enough" garbage that disasters stem from. Especially since we have had the exact same dietary guidelines ingrained into "folk wisdom" for approximately the same amount of time it has taken the obesity epidemic to sweep over America. Why the hell would you put up with this crap?!?

Either way, it can only help in the vast, vast majority of cases.

Define vast, vast majority. 60%+? 90%? And what do you mean by cases? Just the overweight, the obese, everyone, children, men or what?

I'm going to go ahead and define "extreme" on that end as "a Gold Medal athlete who burns literally tens of thousands of calories a day." Once the average American starts rivaling Michael Phelps in terms of exercise, then we can begin to rethink things.

So are you saying that if I find anyone else who breaks this model, you'll admit it's wrong?

Of course, you're not going to say that, you're going to claim that I need to disprove that the model doesn't work for the Average American, which would be difficult even if there was proof of it.

In which case I ask this: How do you know this model is true? and Do you TRULY believe that that calorie table represents EVERYTHING about how weight gain and loss works?

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no one wants to argue with you because you go out of you way to be difficult on common sense things

eat less processed foods and exercise

THE STUDIES SHOWING EXERCISE IS GOOD FOR YOU ARE FLAWED, IF YOU'RE FAT YOU'RE JUST STUCK WITH IT

no one wants to argue with you because you go out of you way to be difficult on common sense things

You realize that I don't care what lazy incompetents like you think right?

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I care so little about this topic I'm gonna bump it and respond to every post!!

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You can care about one particular person's response, and not care about another particular person's stance because they're stupid about it.

But I guess this is too hard for foolmo to grasp.

I don't care about what Liquid wind thinks about nutrition and exercise because he professes that he doesn't care about the topic and knows nothing about it and when someone asks him what he does know he claims they're being "difficult". Similarly, I don't care what you think about those same topics because you are also beyond convincing no matter what I say.

Well, correction. If I said it in a nicer and not so combative way you would, but that's boring and you miss out on people like jaffar.

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right, I'm lazy while you continue making sad excuses

oh well, if you want to believe that you're trapped then no point trying to help you

Trapped in what?

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