Board 8 > Star Ocean: Till The End Of Time is pretty much the best and worst game ever.

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Pros: Disc 1.

Cons: Disc 2 before post-game.

I've never played a game that completely butchers itself so spectacularly from one half of the game to the next. If anything games usually start slow and become amazing.

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Star Ocean is about the gameplay, not the questionable story.

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is this about the plot twist

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Oh, the gameplay owns, which is why I said Disc 2 sans post-game. It's like Tales of Symphonia but more fun, but after the great party chemistry Nel/Cliff/Fayt had, it just gets completely crapped on when blue-haired chick shows up. I would have honestly liked the game more if it was just Nel/Cliff/Fayt the entire game going around being the general badasses they were for the most of Disc 1.

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I didn't even dislike the plot twist, it's just that by the time the plot twist happened I really didn't give a damn about most of the characters that the game decided mattered.

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PLOT TWIST

but i love this game. the battle system was addicting.

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the plot twist wouldn't be as bad if it was hinted at or foreshadowed or vaguely mentioned ominously or anything. Instead 90% of disc1 is spent on a pointless war what has nothing to do with anything

and the battle system wasn't so good either :/

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cliff ruled

nel ruled too

why didn't adray get to do stuff

why are we supposed to care about sophia

why did maria have to show and be all "super cool" when nel already did that but better

all questions that may never be answered

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ALSO

mirage was cool

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WarThaNemesis2 posted...
Pros: Disc 1.

Cons: Disc 2 before post-game.

I've never played a game that completely butchers itself so spectacularly from one half of the game to the next. If anything games usually start slow and become amazing.

Yeah... that's how I feel. In fact I've never beaten the game! After the beginning od Disc 2, I just lost all motivation to play. Maybe I'll pick it back up for this post-game everyone's raving about, but man the plot just went to hell once it got all anticlimactic.

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all about maria

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Maria Traydor (and Sophia) more like get out I want my trio of badasses to punch their way through reality instead because that'd be cooler and make more sense.

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maria > cliff > mirage > nel > adray > fayt > albel > sophia > peppita >>> roger

i'm actually surprised i remembered all their names

and yeah, star ocean 3's plot isn't anywhere near good, but the whole personal interaction thing was really neat, i thought.

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albel >

hrmm

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He put Albel above three legitimately awful characters I would not have minded if didn't exist so that's fine.

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YOU FOOLS

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WORMS WORMS WORMS FOOLS

not to mention RAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRR coming out WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH in maybe the greatest case of the voice actor not reading the script ever.

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Best plot twist in gaming history, imo. Not only because it was awesome, but the giant s***storm it caused among fans.

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Nel > Cliff > Mirage > Adray > Fayt = Albel > Maria >>> Sophia > Peppita >> Roger

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Nel = Cliff > Mirage > Fayt > Adray > Everyone Else Go Away Oh Wait You're The Plot Dammit

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WarThaNemesis2 posted...
WORMS WORMS WORMS FOOLS

not to mention RAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRR coming out WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH in maybe the greatest case of the voice actor not reading the script ever.

Crispin Freeman > you

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there are characters other than nel, cliff, and maria in so3?

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Oh it was glorious, but no matter how glorious it was, it did not match the text on the screen.

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tynave and farleen > the rest

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there are characters other than nel, cliff, and maria in so3?

Nel and Cliff barely exist in Disc 2. :(

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the twist could have been awesome

but it was executed so damn poorly

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Kleenex repeat that and when they make FF5DS I will make Farleen's voice actress be Gilgamesh.

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Star Ocean 3 is really fun. 2 is still way better.

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i kind of wish so3 had the same affection system as so2

i want to know how stupid an albel/roger ending would be

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The Mana Sword posted...
farleen >

Get out. Get the hell out of this thread right now. I don't know if you were being honest or if you were making a joke but this world has no place for such vile filth. Get. Out.

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The game was really fun to play. The story was obviously lacking and I didn't care for any of the children characters, but that's not what you play SO games for!

Lots of stuff plotwise didn't make any sense to me

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Why did that one girl look exactly like Sophia?

Why were they able to develop a weapon too powerful for that planet's technology? Cliff makes a big deal about it to Fayt and then they never mention it again. Was it supposed to be foreshadowing the big twist or the presence of that unidentified object? Or was it just an abandoned Greeton plot point?

Why all the references to Greeton? You never go there and it has no significant impact on the plot.

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Why were they able to develop a weapon too powerful for that planet's technology

it was sort of hinted at that the woman in charge of the project was actually a 4d being

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Someone told me that a long time ago. On my next playthrough I remember specifically looking for clues of this and couldn't find any, so I just assumed it was a fan theory.

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There can't be a SO3 topic without me chiming in

Pros - Nel, Cliff, Mirage, combat early on, impressive visuals at times, decent voice acting as a whole (no need to bring up the few incredibly ****ty voices that we all know by now)

Cons - Everything else and I mean everything else

It's probably the worst game that I have ever played

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Someone told me that a long time ago. On my next playthrough I remember specifically looking for clues of this and couldn't find any, so I just assumed it was a fan theory.

it's a really obtuse and unobvious thing and all the clues i think come from supplemental materials

it's kinda dumb, so don't think about it too much

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I just assumed that they were able to develop it to that point because of runology. I mean, it's not like the weapon actually worked at first.

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KCF0107 posted...
There can't be a SO3 topic without me chiming in

It's probably the worst game that I have ever played

I would argue that there can and should be SO3 topics without you chiming in.

disc 1 wasn't that good either.

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Kleenex repeat that and when they make FF5DS I will make Farleen's voice actress be Gilgamesh.

D:

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LordOfDabu posted...
Why did that one girl look exactly like Sophia?

Sprite reuse.

Why all the references to Greeton? You never go there and it has no significant impact on the plot.

You needed a cover. You basically went "uh... yeah." to the Greeton theory which caused like 50 wrong assumptions from everyone else because that was the only sensible explanation.

Why were they able to develop a weapon too powerful for that planet's technology? Cliff makes a big deal about it to Fayt and then they never mention it again. Was it supposed to be foreshadowing the big twist or the presence of that unidentified object? Or was it just an abandoned Greeton plot point?

That's just a plot hole. Sensible explanations include "Cliff and Fayt aren't symbologists so they aren't good judges of exactly how much symbology you can substitute for technology" and "4D wizards did it".

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Why did that one girl look exactly like Sophia?

Sprite reuse.


They made it a damned plot point. It's clear that Fayt thinks she's Sophia at first. It's not "sprite reuse."

hey man, i'm just sayin what i heard

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One could say that Deadly Premonition is the best and worst game of all time, but for pretty much completely opposite reasoning.

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LordOfDabu posted...
Why did that one girl look exactly like Sophia?

Sprite reuse.


They made it a damned plot point. It's clear that Fayt thinks she's Sophia at first. It's not "sprite reuse."

Sprite re-use in the "the Eternal Sphere game programmers are lazy" sense, not in the "Tri-Ace is lazy" sense.

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Phase posted...
Sprite re-use in the "the Eternal Sphere game programmers are lazy" sense, not in the "Tri-Ace is lazy" sense.

Oh sorry. I get what you mean now. I'd actually never thought of it that way, but that's a nice touch.

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LordOfDabu posted...
Why did that one girl look exactly like Sophia?

Sprite reuse.


They made it a damned plot point. It's clear that Fayt thinks she's Sophia at first. It's not "sprite reuse."

Sprite re-use in the "the Eternal Sphere game programmers are lazy" sense, not in the "Tri-Ace is lazy" sense.

oh wow, that's actually kind of cool

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Weakupedia posted...
the twist could have been awesome

but it was executed so damn poorly

This.

I am legitimately surprised that people LIKED the gameplay though. I dunno. Maybe it's better when the AI shows some faint traces of common sense, but I wouldn't know that because I never made it that far!

Oh, the AI is bad, but it's more fun when you leave them on manual and switch around to control all 3 characters anyway!

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