Basically, it comes down to this: The main voices for the Simpsons make a solid $8 million a year, but are entitled to none of the show's annual profits from merchandising, box sets, and the like. In negotiations, they suggested a 30% pay cut in exchange for a small portion of the back-end profits.
Fox shot back with "either accept a 45% pay cut or we cancel the show".
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why do you use the word "suggestion" there, it's such a polite word, and as I said, I really doubt thats how it went. It's pretty clear you are trying to paint the Simpsons people as the good guys IMO
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Lightning Strikes posted... A lot of people say The Simpsons has gone on too long, and while it has been good lately, it has to end some time. But not like this.
The Simpsons completely betrayed itself and its fans somewhere around season 12-13 or so.
It deserves a quick death and many marathons of the single digit seasons
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From: Icehawk | #010 why do you use the word "suggestion" there, it's such a polite word, and as I said, I really doubt thats how it went. It's pretty clear you are trying to paint the Simpsons people as the good guys IMO
Because Fox is known to be a pile of crap?
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Icehawk posted... why do you use the word "suggestion" there, it's such a polite word, and as I said, I really doubt thats how it went. It's pretty clear you are trying to paint the Simpsons people as the good guys IMO
I'm reporting it as the article states it. Your beef is with them. And there's nothing particularly unlikely with how the article states things went down.
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The Simpsons should end with Walter White (live action and played by Bryan Cranston, not some animated four-finger bull****) putting a bullet through Homer's brain. This damn show has gone on at least ten seasons too long, and I don't give a FLYING RAT PISS if these last few seasons have sucked slightly less ass than the ones before it.
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LazyKenny posted... Simpsons has needed to die for a long time, but this article is just crap. What kind of actor suggests a pay cut for himself?
First off, it was in negotiations. They were not suggesting "hey, lets get paid less" they were suggesting "hey, this is something we would find acceptable".
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dumb. fox suits have nothing to do with the success of the show, the voices and writers are the ones who make the show what it is. can't believe they would suggest huge pay cuts when the show is not declining in revenue that much at all.
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LazyKenny posted... Simpsons has needed to die for a long time, but this article is just crap. What kind of actor suggests a pay cut for himself?
It's not uncommon at all for an actor to take a smaller guaranteed salary in exchange for a piece of the profits the show will earn in syndication or merchandise. For example, Jon Cryer from Two and A Half Men is taking a far smaller salary for this year than Ashton Kutcher, who is new to the show. But unlike Ashton, he's expected to make many times what Ashton is going to get in his new deal from what the show will rake in from syndication later on.
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The only reason to keep The Simpsons going is so that it can remain the cartoon with the top number of episodes. As crappy as it's been lately, letting some technicality like current Scooby or Seth McFarline's Flintstones top it in number is stupid. No I don't want to hear about how Scooby Mystery Inc or whatever the new show is called is good.
Also, it's easy to forget, but the Simpson's is the only thing holding back the MacFarlane power-hour-and-a-half from literally owning FOX Sunday nights.
If the show were canceled, it would likely be picked up by either Adult Swim or CC, since they've already handled Futurama's revival with class. FOX wouldn't be punishing anyone except for themselves.
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MarvelousGerbil posted... The only reason to keep The Simpsons going is so that it can remain the cartoon with the top number of episodes. As crappy as it's been lately, letting some technicality like current Scooby or Seth McFarline's Flintstones top it in number is stupid. No I don't want to hear about how Scooby Mystery Inc or whatever the new show is called is good.
From: Biolizard28 | #028 Also, it's easy to forget, but the Simpson's is the only thing holding back the MacFarlane power-hour-and-a-half from literally owning FOX Sunday nights.
If the show were canceled, it would likely be picked up by either Adult Swim or CC, since they've already handled Futurama's revival with class. FOX wouldn't be punishing anyone except for themselves.
Fox would have to be willing to sell it to someone, which AS and CC couldn't afford.
From: Biolizard28 | #030 Pokemon has aired 710 episodes.
The Simpsons hasn't even broken 500.
Longest running Western Animation? IDK it's broken some sort of record.
From: Biolizard28 | #032 Even if Fox canceled the series? I guess that doesn't mean they'd have to give up the rights, but...
Why would they give up rights? Wasn't there a topic less than a week ago that said they were considering making a 24/7 Simpson's Network? Selling their biggest cash cow for a fraction of what it's worth seems pretty counterproductive since they could profit off it for decades to come.
Can't they replace the voice actors instead of cancelling the show? It's not something they would want to do but it would be less extreme then outright cancelling the show.
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The actors would make over 4 million each even after a cut. FOX is playing hardball and that might be foolish, but I don't really feel bad for the actors or think FOX is being "evil." That's just the world of contracts.
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From: Team Rocket Elite | #040 Can't they replace the voice actors instead of cancelling the show? It's not something they would want to do but it would be less extreme then outright cancelling the show.
Except they have a cast of roughly 5000 characters and a about 6 VAs.
These people make 8 million dollars to do voices for cartoon characters?
No wonder our society is so decadent.
this makes no sense. because people on successful TV shows make money, our society is decadent? what about...you know...the vast unemployed, underemployed, living in poverty, etc.? are they "decadent" or do you just not consider them part of society?
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Except they have a cast of roughly 5000 characters and a about 6 VAs.
I would imagine the Pokemon English dub has more characters with a far, far more limited budget. It should definitely be possible if they want to continue the show instead of cancelling it.
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Feels like they're just winging the acting in The Simpsons at times nowadays, though that may be because of the ****ty writing(then again Castelleneta wrote what imo was the worst episode of the series and it makes me RAGE WITH A FURIOUS ANGER just thinking about it)
I loved seasons 1(yes 1 as well)-10 more than basically anything animated, then....everything went to hell.
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From: Team Rocket Elite | #044 Except they have a cast of roughly 5000 characters and a about 6 VAs.
I would imagine the Pokemon English dub has more characters with a far, far more limited budget. It should definitely be possible if they want to continue the show instead of cancelling it.
I guess so, but unless you can get some good imitators, it won't be the same (not that it is these days, but Groening seems to think it is, so whatever). Nobody watches Pokemon for the VAs, the most interesting thing about the series are the Pokemon. If Ash changes VAs, it can be attributed to puberty or something. If Homer's voice just randomly changes after 20 years the people who actually like newer episodes won't be pleased.