Board 8 > I really hate how overused the term "trolling" has become.

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Rad Link 5
09/13/11 10:32:00 PM
#51:


From: SpeedYoshi | #035
This can definately be trolling


No, that's definitely just being a dick.

If it's something that most people would feel is justifiable to get angry over, then it's not really trolling. The key to trolling is that your target is humiliated through their own reaction.

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TimJab
09/13/11 10:33:00 PM
#52:


lol at mer trying to pretend that this topic wasn't spawned as a result of him being butthurt

i trolled him like 2 days ago

then, because i legitimately felt bad because he's an insecure mess, i admitted to trolling and apologized

he replies by saying i wasn't trolling i'm just a dick

and now this exact topic pops up 2 days later? when literally nobody uses the word troll in real life?

XD nice try buddy

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/13/11 10:33:00 PM
#53:


From: Rad Link 5 | #051
The key to trolling is that your target is humiliated through their own reaction.


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foolmor0n
09/13/11 10:34:00 PM
#54:


From: ExThaNemesis | #041
Yeah but if the person doesn't just go "oh ok" and is still angry, were you still trolling or are you now a dick?


Once he realizes that the persona he was mad at earlier for saying all this dumb stuff was a fake, he shouldn't care about it anymore. After that, he can still be mad at you for trolling him in the first place, but that is beyond the scope of the original trolling.

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/13/11 10:34:00 PM
#55:


From: TimJab | #052
lol at mer trying to pretend that this topic wasn't spawned as a result of him being butthurt

i trolled him like 2 days ago

then, because i legitimately felt bad because he's an insecure mess, i admitted to trolling and apologized

he replies by saying i wasn't trolling i'm just a dick

and now this exact topic pops up 2 days later? when literally nobody uses the word troll in real life?

XD nice try buddy


see this is an example of what trolling isn't

TimJab is indeed trying to make me angry, but he legitimately believes all of the things he's saying.

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TimJab
09/13/11 10:35:00 PM
#56:


From: Rad Link 5 | #051
The key to trolling is that your target is humiliated through their own reaction.


which is why what i was doing was trolling

although in mer's defense, cyclo humiliated himself 1000x worse and he wasn't even the target

so he's got that going for him

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ExThaNemesis
09/13/11 10:36:00 PM
#57:


From: Rad Link 5 | #051
The key to trolling is that your target is humiliated through their own reaction.


Ah, but then when you get furious at your cat for ruining your clean car and then get embarrassed by it later (because lol you for getting mad at a dumb animal), were you not trolled, then?

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Rad Link 5
09/13/11 10:36:00 PM
#58:


I don't even know what the beef with you two is. I was just correcting people who think trolls and sociopaths are the same thing.

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ExThaNemesis
09/13/11 10:36:00 PM
#59:


Anyway I think my definition might be a little too broad then, but I do think you're being a little semantic about it, Mer. >.>

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/13/11 10:37:00 PM
#60:


From: ExThaNemesis | #057
Ah, but then when you get furious at your cat for ruining your clean car and then get embarrassed by it later (because lol you for getting mad at a dumb animal), were you not trolled, then?


in that situation I don't think we're assuming that the person is getting "furious" at their cat

just more of an "hey I just cleaned that god damn it"

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/13/11 10:37:00 PM
#61:


From: Rad Link 5 | #058
I don't even know what the beef with you two is. I was just correcting people who think trolls and sociopaths are the same thing.


I swear, this is exactly it. These are the people I hang out with.

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ExThaNemesis
09/13/11 10:38:00 PM
#62:


From: TimJab | #052
and now this exact topic pops up 2 days later? when literally nobody uses the word troll in real life?


Also this is wrong. Maybe you've been out of college too long, but it's definitely used in real life. >.>

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Rad Link 5
09/13/11 10:38:00 PM
#63:


From: ExThaNemesis | #057
Ah, but then when you get furious at your cat for ruining your clean car and then get embarrassed by it later (because lol you for getting mad at a dumb animal), were you not trolled, then?


I'm going to also say that the person who caused your embarrassing reaction had to have intent.

A cat isn't intending to make you make a fool of yourself by yelling at him. I don't give cats that much credit.

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ExThaNemesis
09/13/11 10:39:00 PM
#64:


From: Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer | #061
These are the people I hang out with.


I think we have discovered a solution.

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TimJab
09/13/11 10:39:00 PM
#65:


are you implying that cats aren't inherently dicks?

because they totally are

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/13/11 10:40:00 PM
#66:


From: ExThaNemesis | #062
Also this is wrong. Maybe you've been out of college too long, but it's definitely used in real life. >.>


don't bother responding to Tim, he tries to derail any topic of mine he can with his "trolling"

which is different from his actual personality in exactly 0 ways, so

yeah

moving on

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Rad Link 5
09/13/11 10:40:00 PM
#67:


I'm implying that they're not conscious of what huge dicks they are. It's just their nature.

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Viktor Vaughn
09/13/11 10:40:00 PM
#68:


A cat isn't intending to make you make a fool of yourself by yelling at him. I don't give cats that much credit.

as someone who's been around more cats at the age of twenty two than most people will have in a lifetime

you're underestimating cats

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ExThaNemesis
09/13/11 10:41:00 PM
#69:


From: Viktor Vaughn | #068
A cat isn't intending to make you make a fool of yourself by yelling at him. I don't give cats that much credit.

as someone who's been around more cats at the age of twenty two than most people will have in a lifetime

you're underestimating cats


This is irrelevant though because the argument then is that cats aren't trolls, they're just dicks.

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TimJab
09/13/11 10:41:00 PM
#70:


From: Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer | #066
don't bother responding to Tim, he tries to derail any topic of mine he can with his "trolling"

which is different from his actual personality in exactly 0 ways, so

yeah

moving on


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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/13/11 10:41:00 PM
#71:


From: ExThaNemesis | #064
I think we have discovered a solution.


you seem to agree with these kids, so whatever you're implying... >_>

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foolmor0n
09/13/11 10:41:00 PM
#72:


From: Rad Link 5 | #058
I was just correcting people who think trolls and sociopaths are the same thing.


They're different, but not mutually exclusive, and that throws a lot of people off

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TimJab
09/13/11 10:42:00 PM
#73:


i'd ask extha to testify on behalf of my personality since he has met me in person, but i literally trolled him (and him me) the entire time we were together so that's not a good idea

swift got the worst of it though

one afternoon with extha and i and he literally had a breakdown

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ExThaNemesis
09/13/11 10:42:00 PM
#74:


I agree with them in the sense that trolling is not as strictly defined as you seem to believe.

I don't agree in the sense that stabbing someone in the arm is definitely not trolling. >.>

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ExThaNemesis
09/13/11 10:43:00 PM
#75:


From: TimJab | #073
swift got the worst of it though

one afternoon with extha and i and he literally had a breakdown


You could say that he didn't belong...

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Rad Link 5
09/13/11 10:43:00 PM
#76:


I still say cats aren't conscious of their dickery. And further I don't think they're smart enough to go "he'd look like such an idiot if I could get him to yell at me right now."

I mean the whole reason you'd look like an idiot for yelling at a cat is the idea that the cat doesn't understand.

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ExThaNemesis
09/13/11 10:43:00 PM
#77:


From: foolmor0n | #072
They're different, but not mutually exclusive, and that throws a lot of people off


So where do you think the line is drawn then? Am I a troll if it's not in my personality to snap someone's pencil in half just to make them angry or no?

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/13/11 10:44:00 PM
#78:


From: Rad Link 5 | #076
I mean the whole reason you'd look like an idiot for yelling at a cat is the idea that the cat doesn't understand.


Cats understand a lot. One time my cat walked into my room and I said "**** off" in a completely calm, natural voice and he turned around and left without a word.

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/13/11 10:45:00 PM
#79:


From: ExThaNemesis | #077
So where do you think the line is drawn then? Am I a troll if it's not in my personality to snap someone's pencil in half just to make them angry or no?


like I said, I don't think you can really troll people with actions. Especially ones that are directly harming them or their property.

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/13/11 10:46:00 PM
#80:


Also, I'm pretty sure no one's going to be "humiliated" when they get pissed that you broke their pencil for no reason. Everyone in the room is going to agree that you're just a dick.

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foolmor0n
09/13/11 10:46:00 PM
#81:


From: ExThaNemesis | #077
So where do you think the line is drawn then? Am I a troll if it's not in my personality to snap someone's pencil in half just to make them angry or no?


On individual actions, there is no line. There is a clear distinction between trolling and just being a dick, as mer and I have explained.

But you can be both a troll (someone who trolls sometimes) and a sociopath (someone who doesn't give a **** about others) at the same time. Or you could be just a troll... or just a sociopath. I dunno where the line would be in defining whether you are a troll or not, I guess that's more up to you.

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ExThaNemesis
09/13/11 10:46:00 PM
#82:


From: Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer | #079
like I said, I don't think you can really troll people with actions. Especially ones that are directly harming them or their property.


I think there's a lot of examples where you can troll with actions. I think that most pranks would be considered trolling. I think a great example is that prank war topic that Revenus linked to the other day. Those two kids were trolling the hell out of each other.

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XIII_rocks
09/13/11 10:47:00 PM
#83:


You can troll by taking your own opinions and exaggerating them. What you're saying doesn't have to be an outright lie.

But yeah I see people using it a lot, very often incorrectly. Hopefully it doesn't become as annoying as "epic fail" became
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Phase
09/13/11 10:47:00 PM
#84:


Since I like to just throw wrenches in definitions: was Endless Eight trolling?

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/13/11 10:47:00 PM
#85:


oh my god don't even get me started on "epic fail"

ew

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redrocket
09/13/11 10:48:00 PM
#86:


ExThaNemesis posted...
From: Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer | #079
like I said, I don't think you can really troll people with actions. Especially ones that are directly harming them or their property.
I think there's a lot of examples where you can troll with actions. I think that most pranks would be considered trolling. I think a great example is that prank war topic that Revenus linked to the other day. Those two kids were trolling the hell out of each other.


That topic is actually a perfect example of when pranks cross the line and are no longer mere trolling.

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ExThaNemesis
09/13/11 10:48:00 PM
#87:


I think "epic" in general got completely ruined in the past two years or so.

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/13/11 10:48:00 PM
#88:


From: Phase | #084
Since I like to just throw wrenches in definitions: was Endless Eight trolling?


I have no idea what that is

upon looking it up it's some irrelevant anime bull**** that I will never care about

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ExThaNemesis
09/13/11 10:49:00 PM
#89:


From: redrocket | #086
That topic is actually a perfect example of when pranks cross the line and are no longer mere trolling.


Yeah, toward the end they become sociopathic, but the alarm clocks placed all over the room set to go off in thirty minute intervals?

I think that's pretty solid trolling.

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/13/11 10:49:00 PM
#90:


From: ExThaNemesis | #089
Yeah, toward the end they become sociopathic, but the alarm clocks placed all over the room set to go off in thirty minute intervals?

I think that's pretty solid trolling.


I wouldn't say that's trolling at all, that's just being a ****ing nuisance. >_>

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Rad Link 5
09/13/11 10:51:00 PM
#91:


From: Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer | #078
Cats understand a lot. One time my cat walked into my room and I said "**** off" in a completely calm, natural voice and he turned around and left without a word.


Could have just been great timing on his urge to leave (my dogs do this all the time, where someone will give them a verbal cue they don't know, and they'll give the appropriate response out of pure luck, and then you can't get them to do it again), but if we're saying cats are that smart, then yes, a cat could, conceivably, troll someone.

But I still say they're not that smart.

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redrocket
09/13/11 10:51:00 PM
#92:


ExThaNemesis posted...
From: redrocket | #086
That topic is actually a perfect example of when pranks cross the line and are no longer mere trolling.
Yeah, toward the end they become sociopathic, but the alarm clocks placed all over the room set to go off in thirty minute intervals?

I think that's pretty solid trolling.


It was not facetious at all, and Jason certainly shouldn't be humiliated for getting pissed over that. If your going to call something like that trolling I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree.

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/13/11 10:51:00 PM
#93:


Although I think pranks in general are an entirely different category because when you pull a prank on someone, your intention of annoying or upsetting them is pretty much entirely obvious.

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TimJab
09/13/11 10:52:00 PM
#94:


From: Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer | #080
Also, I'm pretty sure no one's going to be "humiliated" when they get pissed that you broke their pencil for no reason. Everyone in the room is going to agree that you're just a dick.


and everyone in the topic can see that the troll is being a troll. that's what makes it humiliating for the person who takes the bait. if you walk into a classroom and snap everybody's pencil and one guy gets up and starts flipping out, he looks dumb. he got trolled.

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ExThaNemesis
09/13/11 10:52:00 PM
#95:


From: redrocket | #093
I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree.


I'm fine with that. Good topic though.

And yes, cats are maliciously intelligent.

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/13/11 10:53:00 PM
#96:


From: TimJab | #095
and everyone in the topic can see that the troll is being a troll. that's what makes it humiliating for the person who takes the bait. if you walk into a classroom and snap everybody's pencil and one guy gets up and starts flipping out, he looks dumb. he got trolled.


lol when are you going to let it go?

It's seriously bizarre how much you care about this ****

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foolmor0n
09/13/11 10:54:00 PM
#97:


From: ExThaNemesis | #089
Yeah, toward the end they become sociopathic, but the alarm clocks placed all over the room set to go off in thirty minute intervals?

I think that's pretty solid trolling.


No, because putting alarm clocks all over his room was done to specifically ruin his day. There was nothing insincere about it.

The guy could've gone right up to the roommate's face and said "I hid alarm clocks all over your room to drive you crazy" and it wouldn't help anything because the roommate would STILL have to spend all night looking for the alarm clocks and his day would STILL be ruined.

Once someone knows that you are trolling, then no more damage can be done. That is one of the requirements.

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TimJab
09/13/11 10:54:00 PM
#98:


From: Rad Link 5 | #067
I'm implying that they're not conscious of what huge dicks they are. It's just their nature.


when a cat craps in a litter box and doesn't bury it, it knows it's being a dick

its instinct for them to bury it, not doing so means they're purposely sending you a message

we also babysat a cat when i was a kid and our friends moved (we kept it until they could settle in at their new house) and it maliciously attacked my dad and nobody else the entire time we had it. it would jump into bed with my dad and attack him while he was asleep. it was the sweetest cat to me and everyone else in the family. it scratched my dad badly enough that he had to be hospitalized for cat scratch fever. the thing is, it never attacked my dad in front of anyone so he looked like a tard when he talked about how much he hated the cat since nobody believed him until the bad scratch. that cat knew what he was doing.

my dad got trolled.

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OmarsComin
09/13/11 10:54:00 PM
#99:


and everyone in the topic can see that the troll is being a troll. that's what makes it humiliating for the person who takes the bait. if you walk into a classroom and snap everybody's pencil and one guy gets up and starts flipping out, he looks dumb. he got trolled.

uh what? no. if you walk into into a classroom and snap everybody's pencil the entire room is going to be like "wow that guy is a douchebag."
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Rad Link 5
09/13/11 10:55:00 PM
#100:


The worst part about the state of the word epic is that now you can't even use it as a noun because people seriously don't know it can be used that way.

Tell anyone you're reading an epic and see the reaction you get. Awful.

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