Board 8 > How long do you think it'll take for graphics to get photorealistic?

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The Uncharted topic has got me thinking - graphics have gotten incredible, but you can still clearly tell between a PS3 and a photograph taken by a beautiful woman. When do you think in-game graphics will become photorealistic? I remember thinking when I saw the intro video for Gran Turismo 3 that graphics had gotten insane because there was a point where I couldn't tell if it was CG or if it was actual footage - that was a decade ago.

I honestly don't think the next generation will be able to do it - and I think there's only a chance that the next gen (PS5) will accomplish it.

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Did you not play Final Fantasy X?

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From: Menji76 | #002
Did you not play Final Fantasy X?

Those graphics are not photorealistic.

But I remember FFX was the first game I played where I had a hard time distinguishing between in-game cutscene models and FMV models.

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Are you trying to say you could accidentally mistake this person for an actual human being?

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Until the cars come in I couldn't decide if it was a video or not!

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I would rather they don't.

Awesome styled graphics all the way.





*insert other games here*

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From: skull_bonek23 | #007


Until the cars come in I couldn't decide if it was a video or not!

for the record

you do know most of that is actually real

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You should stop trying to **** imaginary chicks, JC.

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for the record

you do know most of that is actually real

Well that's just dumb.

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I think what's holding them back mostly is animation.

Like JC says, they really shouldn't.
Photo-realism is boring, games should have a sense of style that goes beyond the real. To clarify, even something that's based mostly on real life with a touch of style (like Uncharted) is fine, but game's shouldn't be obsessed with mimicking real life.

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From: FreakinLincoln | #011
You should stop trying to **** imaginary chicks, JC.

what

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FreakinLincoln | Posted 8/30/2011 10:29:43 PM | message detail | quote
The Uncharted topic has got me thinking - graphics have gotten incredible, but you can still clearly tell between a PS3 and a photograph taken by a beautiful woman.

All the best photographers are beautiful women.

i don't think they ever will

that said, i remember seeing an ad for gran turismo 4 in a magazine (i think it was 4) of a car driving next to a canyon and thinking it was an ad for an actual car until i saw the GT logo. i thought that was real.

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From: FreakinLincoln | #001
but you can still clearly tell between a PS3 and a photograph taken by a beautiful woman.

Who's to say a photograph taken by a beautiful woman would be any good?

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the most realistic fantasy CGI in gaming is probably blizzard's intros to WotLK and Cataclysm.




note: i clearly said fantasy to distinguish from things like gran turismo

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From: pjbasis | #013
I think what's holding them back mostly is animation.

Pretty much. Have any of you guys seen the new Planet of the Apes? The Orangutan and Gorilla are probably the best CGI creatures I've ever seen. Even with the chimps you could rarely tell they were fake until you tried paying attention to the little things like eye movement and some other animations. I know movies are always ahead of video games in this category, but we're coming pretty close.

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The new Tomb Raider trailer is ridiculous in the graphics department.



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Screw photorealism. I don't need no uncanny valley...

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From: Paratroopa1 | #015
FreakinLincoln | Posted 8/30/2011 10:29:43 PM | message detail | quote
The Uncharted topic has got me thinking - graphics have gotten incredible, but you can still clearly tell between a PS3 and a photograph taken by a beautiful woman.

All the best photographers are beautiful women.

I was wondering if someone else noticed this

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AlecTrevelyan006 posted...
Screw photorealism. I don't need no uncanny valley...

I think one of those words does not mean what you think it means. I'm just not sure which one.

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Battlefield 3 looks damn near photorealistic at times.

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The main issue is trying to get people to look photorealistic.

I've never really seen any game get all that close to it.

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This topic reminded me of this CG video.
http://vimeo.com/7809605

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Movies have already gotten to the photorealistic point because they don't have to worry about running at 30/60 fps consistently.

If you look at stuff like Battlefield 3, it's pretty evident that we're getting close to that 60 fps photorealism. But I believe we can only get really close, we will never be able to be exactly photorealistic. There's just so much detail in real life that you wouldn't be able to replicate in a game, unless you went down to like a molecular level or something.

Sure, most digital cameras only capture like 2560x1280 points of light or whatever, which should be entirely doable in gaming soon enough, but each of those points are generated by real life physics which is way too complex for a game.

It's all about the difference between pre-rendered and generating on-the-fly. If you have as much time as you want, like with movies, you can just manually build models and animations to look like real life, but you don't have that luxury in games as user input makes things unpredictable, so you have to generalize. The only thing I can think of is to simulate all of physics for each frame you draw.

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From: redrocket | #024
AlecTrevelyan006 posted...
Screw photorealism. I don't need no uncanny valley...

I think one of those words does not mean what you think it means. I'm just not sure which one.

You can have photorealistic graphics without 100% human likeness.

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AlecTrevelyan006 posted...
From: redrocket | #024
AlecTrevelyan006 posted...
Screw photorealism. I don't need no uncanny valley...

I think one of those words does not mean what you think it means. I'm just not sure which one.
You can have photorealistic graphics without 100% human likeness.

You can, but your original post implies that this is necessarily the case, which is clearly not true.

Also, why would anyone do that?

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