I am SO disappointed I didn't watch this while it aired. As far as the series finale went, I only got teary-eyed at one spot particularly. But it was still an amazing show.
I also have some theories as to why some people might dislike it past season 3, but I don't really understand them at all, so someone might have to explain that to me better.
And if ANYONE hasn't finished and is hopping in this topic, they should leave and watch the rest of the series. They will be doing themselves a great disservice by not doing it.
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A lot of people are pissy about the show not sticking with really scientific and logical answers because the writers said they'd try to keep things logical.
I just watched the show and enjoyed it. It's better when you don't have expectations about what will happen.
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A lot of people are pissy about the show not sticking with really scientific and logical answers because the writers said they'd try to keep things logical.
Or maybe it's because the show devolved its rich thematic tapestry into a childish fairytale without any clear aim or significance. The numerous plotholes and vague spots only muddle things further.
Anyway, LOST is certainly the greatest show ever to grace network television; it's also the biggest disappointment, and by a wide margin.
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DaruniaTheGoron posted... A lot of people are pissy about the show not sticking with really scientific and logical answers because the writers said they'd try to keep things logical.
I just watched the show and enjoyed it. It's better when you don't have expectations about what will happen.
This is what I thought it'd be. But then, are people just getting mad because 'oh this couldn't actually happen irl how lame'. Is the world that sick of sci-fi?
sonten1 posted... Didn't care for the time traveling but I understand why they did it.
The only parts I hated were in Season 6 (anything involving the temple and the backstory between Jacob and the Man In Black)
What did you not like about the backstory?
AlecTrevelyan006 posted... I enjoyed the show a lot. And I'm fine with "the way" it ended, though I think they wasted a lot of potential/did some things poorly.
Like, they could have gone with the exact same general plot and just done it better.
Anything specific that you didn't like?
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BoshStrikesBack posted... A lot of people are pissy about the show not sticking with really scientific and logical answers because the writers said they'd try to keep things logical.
Or maybe it's because the show devolved its rich thematic tapestry into a childish fairytale without any clear aim or significance. The numerous plotholes and vague spots only muddle things further.
Anyway, LOST is certainly the greatest show ever to grace network television; it's also the biggest disappointment, and by a wide margin.
Do you mind elaborating on this?
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Not sure how much I can elaborate, since what I'm saying is pretty straightforward. For a good five seasons, LOST was a show centered around redemption, purpose, destiny and free will, and the struggle to find existential solace- deep themes that serve as a hallmark of an ambitious show. All of this was framed within a complex and enigmatic mythology, one that promised a satisfying resolution even as it teased its audience.
...And what did we learn about the Island's origins? You know, the driving force behind the show's central conflict?
-the origin of the Island remains completely unexplained -the role of the Island remains unclear beyond vague and seemingly unfounded premonitions -the central conflict of the show turned out to be a battle between two mama's boys -the source of power was, in true MacGuffin fashion, THE MAGIC LIGHT
That an otherwise deep show could unravel so quickly into typical network fodder is disappointing at best and devastating at worst. Let me tell you: for those of us who watched it live, it was certainly the latter.
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there was a video i saw posted a few months back that had mib and jacob joking about the nonsensical twists the show took like the time travel and such. i cant for the life of me seem to find it >_<
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Tons of little things. Hard time remembering specifics now but...
The "Across the Sea" episode was just disappointing all around. All that build up and we get bad child actors talking vaguely about nothing and have an episode which really didn't give us anything.
Especially when "the rules" don't remain consistent unless it's plot convenient.
Ben can't kill Widmore, it's against the rules. Oh wait. Bang.
Desmond's dream of Claire getting on a helicopter, though that's more of a nitpick.
Then there's all the things that were just left hanging: timetraveling outrigger shootout, Ben's female friend (Annie?), Walt (I get that his actor grew up. They apparently decided to make him pointless. But despite being pointless, he wasn't written out, showing up a few more times both on and off island). Those don't bother me as much, though I do feel it detracts a bit.
BoshStrikesBack posted... Do you mind elaborating on this?
Not sure how much I can elaborate, since what I'm saying is pretty straightforward. For a good five seasons, LOST was a show centered around redemption, purpose, destiny and free will, and the struggle to find existential solace- deep themes that serve as a hallmark of an ambitious show. All of this was framed within a complex and enigmatic mythology, one that promised a satisfying resolution even as it teased its audience.
...And what did we learn about the Island's origins? You know, the driving force behind the show's central conflict?
-the origin of the Island remains completely unexplained -the role of the Island remains unclear beyond vague and seemingly unfounded premonitions -the central conflict of the show turned out to be a battle between two mama's boys -the source of power was, in true MacGuffin fashion, THE MAGIC LIGHT
That an otherwise deep show could unravel so quickly into typical network fodder is disappointing at best and devastating at worst. Let me tell you: for those of us who watched it live, it was certainly the latter.
Thank you. I can actually understand this reasoning. I guess I'm too much of an optimist and not analytical enough to be bothered by these things.
I used to have a theory that the Smoke Monster was like the Devil or something, and was actually a great evil that would destroy the world. Would you consider that a better explanation for the end?
Also, there's one thing I haven't quite grasped yet. When 815 originally crashed on the Island, why didn't Ben and the Others just... help them out and stuff? Was Ben's understanding of Jacob's orders really that wrong?
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AlecTrevelyan006 posted... Tons of little things. Hard time remembering specifics now but...
The "Across the Sea" episode was just disappointing all around. All that build up and we get bad child actors talking vaguely about nothing and have an episode which really didn't give us anything.
Especially when "the rules" don't remain consistent unless it's plot convenient.
That's the MiB/Jacob past episode, right? I was confused as to how Jacob was beating up his brother when they weren't allowed to.
Ben can't kill Widmore, it's against the rules. Oh wait. Bang.
Rules set by whom? Jacob? Because Jacob was dead when Ben decided to kill him.
Besides, Ben was still angered over his daughter.
Desmond's dream of Claire getting on a helicopter, though that's more of a nitpick.
Then there's all the things that were just left hanging: timetraveling outrigger shootout, Ben's female friend (Annie?), Walt (I get that his actor grew up. They apparently decided to make him pointless. But despite being pointless, he wasn't written out, showing up a few more times both on and off island). Those don't bother me as much, though I do feel it detracts a bit.
Agreed.
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From: SovietOmega | #015 there was a video i saw posted a few months back that had mib and jacob joking about the nonsensical twists the show took like the time travel and such. i cant for the life of me seem to find it >_<
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Also, watching live was a very different experience from watching it after.
Some of us spent six years watching this show. Watching LOST was an event where people got together to watch television. In college, it was like a cult, and you had your LOST group to watch with and you knew everybody and had talked about all sorts of things about the show.
Then the episode ends, the turbonerds amongst us go online and argue for hours about what this episode means and how it impacts the themes and mythology and foreshadowing. And this would go on for days as we waited for the next episode. It was a community experience.
You'd rewatch in between seasons and reevaluate characters and see things you never noticed before.
And for several seasons, everything seemed to tie together so well, everything having a purpose or at least the promise of one, and even as the show opened so many questions about so many things, most of us were confident that they'd give the satisfying resolution and tying up that they promised.
And then the last season ended and many plotlines were just dropped, and those that got explanations were often stuff like "because momma said so". Many of the themes were undermined, and like a loose thread had been pulled, the tightly knit story unraveled.
Ultimately, I still love the experience. And I can live with the ending.
I love this show because of the journey it gave me. But that does not make the ending any less disappointing.
one of my theories, and a fairly popular one was that the Island had two smoke monsters, and Jacob was a white smoke monster. The one Locke saw cause he told Boone or something, that what he saw wasn't the black smoke, it was more beautiful or something.
I hated Across The Sea because it explained absolutely nothing. I figured it would finally explain things about the island as well as Jacob's and MIB's true nature (since I kinda had an angel/devil theory type going), but alas nothing happened. On top of that, the show was going toward a "If MIB gets off the island the world is screwed"" storyline but the backstory did nothing to justify this. In fact, it made me empathize with MIB, and I definitely don't think that was the intent.
Unless I missed it somewhere in Season 6 where MIB was undeniably evil and under no circumstance should he leave the island, I felt like nothing was resolved.
Also, on topic, I personally missed out on watching it as it aired. I started watching it as the last season was airing and thought it was ok for the most part. Didn't like how the intentionally dumbed down the scifi elements, but all in all the themes were still neat. That it remained unresolved was a disappointment, but I don't regret the journey.
I can certainly understand the feelings gained by being part of a community discussing stuff about a thing though. I've become a devout reader of Homestuck, the longest webcomic on the web. Has flash animations and soundtracks and a few mock game sections. It is the bestest thing ever, but is admittedly not for everyone.
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sonten1 posted... The two smoke monster theory is interesting, never thought about that.
Maybe that's why it didn't attack Eko during their first encounter but killed him during the second?
I would think that he didn't kill Eko because Eko was completely unafraid, and thus Barry was intrigued by him.
Also, I think that since it's been confirmed that MiB/Barry became the Smoke Monster because he got pushed into the tunnel, your theory holds no water.
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It certainly was an amazing show to watch when it was airing. I watched it with my whole family the whole time it aired, and that alone makes it my favorite television show. Lots of great stuff about it, easily outweighing the bad in my view.
What it isn't is the best show. That title belongs to Breaking Bad.
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i know why it worked, i just mean it made no sense for her to try. from what i recall there was no way kate knew he wasn't immortal anymore.
it would have been hilarious if he was still immortal and dumb kate (who had to tag along of course) was just firing blanks at him while he stabbed jack in the neck
and i don't mind them not answering some of the tiny questions posed in the first couple seasons
obviously when you write a show you don't plan on it lasting six seasons, the average show probably lasts less than a season
they just wrote themselves into a hole kind of and when it got huge they realized "oh ****, we gotta come up with a reason why that talking bird knew hurley's name"
i would have traded every tiny answer we got for a more satisfying final season, but oh well
Coffee Ninja posted... Also worst episode is Stranger In A Strange Land
ugh, the only episode I can say I didn't like. Such a ****ing waste.
I love how you can just abbreviate that to SIASL and everyone knows exactly what you're talking about. Moreso than any other episode, I mean. It's like...notoriously bad
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From: TimJab | #037 i know why it worked, i just mean it made no sense for her to try. from what i recall there was no way kate knew he wasn't immortal anymore.
It's Kate.....you act like she doesn't do stupid things.
HanOfTheNekos posted... sonten1 posted... The two smoke monster theory is interesting, never thought about that.
Maybe that's why it didn't attack Eko during their first encounter but killed him during the second?
I would think that he didn't kill Eko because Eko was completely unafraid, and thus Barry was intrigued by him.
Also, I think that since it's been confirmed that MiB/Barry became the Smoke Monster because he got pushed into the tunnel, your theory holds no water.
For the record I don't believe the theory, there's many other instances that indicate there's only one, it was just curious to think about for a second.
As for the final battle, I was really hoping Jack would kill Locke on his own, like stabbing him in the stomach then kicking him off the cliff 300 style. But I'm fine with how it ended considering the fight itself was awesome
FreakinLincoln posted... Paraphrasing an event that happened around the second or third season
A fan: Hey, is the island purgatory? J.J. Abrams: Ha ha no, the island isn't purgatory.
THE ISLAND WAS TOTALLY PURGATORY
Second or third season?
We had that during the first or second first season break (All the Best Cowboys/Whatever the Case or Special/Homecoming, maybe even Numbers/Deus Ex Machina).
I still burn with anger towards the show, but that's in the past. Hopefully. ****ing "It's all about the characters" when Sayid speaks British and Sun's only contribution in two seasons is knocking Ben out with an oar, asking where her husbant is, and falling on her head so she can only say, "Have you seen my husbant?" in Korean, grr grr.
Hmm, what?
Well, if you have any questions, we're probably here to give some insight and answers. Additionally, I'll try and round up a bunch of stuff from the community, mostly the Broadcast: TV Board, to show you.
From: Mega Mana | #047 Sun's only contribution in two seasons is knocking Ben out with an oar, asking where her husbant is, and falling on her head so she can only say, "Have you seen my husbant?" in Korean, grr grr.
oh god i forgot the real worst part
jin suiciding when they have a newborn ****ing baby waiting for them