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ProtoPiranha
08/03/11 10:34:00 PM
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I mean, who was the king of the Koopas before Bowser? What was life like before Mario?

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LeonhartFour
08/03/11 10:38:00 PM
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There was no before Bowser.

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GuessMyUserName
08/03/11 10:38:00 PM
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need some Super Mario's Parents

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SovietOmega
08/03/11 10:39:00 PM
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Clearly Hitler didn't commit suicide but was instead warped to the mushroom kingdom, quickly taking over and enacting genocidal policies against the koopas. only a brave young koopa dared to rise up against such a cruel regime...his name....Bowser.

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LeonhartFour
08/03/11 10:41:00 PM
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No. The day Bowser was born was the day the Mushroom Kingdom came into existence.

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ProtoPiranha
08/03/11 10:41:00 PM
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From: LeonhartFour | #002
There was no before Bowser.


There had to have been, unless Kamek was the leader before Bowser. Also, who are Bowser's parents? And Wario's?

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ProtoPiranha
08/03/11 10:42:00 PM
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From: LeonhartFour | #006
No. The day Bowser was born was the day the Mushroom Kingdom came into existence.


That's illogical.

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LeonhartFour
08/03/11 10:42:00 PM
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Bowser does not answer to logic.

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ProtoPiranha
08/03/11 10:44:00 PM
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Are you implying that Bowser is God?

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LeonhartFour
08/03/11 10:44:00 PM
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I'm implying Bowser was the first anything placed in the Mushroom Kingdom, possibly by a Creator of some kind.

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ProtoPiranha
08/03/11 10:47:00 PM
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There's no evidence for that theory.

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LeonhartFour
08/03/11 10:47:00 PM
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There's no evidence against that theory.

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ProtoPiranha
08/03/11 10:51:00 PM
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The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.

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LeonhartFour
08/03/11 10:52:00 PM
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My proof is the lack of proof there was ever a Mushroom Kingdom before Bowser.

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Emporer_Kazbar
08/03/11 10:52:00 PM
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From: ProtoPiranha | #013
The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.


And you're making the claim that there was a Mushroom Kingdom before Bowser. Prove it.

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ViviffTheMobile
08/03/11 10:53:00 PM
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I just called Shigeru, and he told me everything Leon said here is true.

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LeonhartFour
08/03/11 10:54:00 PM
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From: ViviffTheMobile | #016
I just called Shigeru, and he told me everything Leon said here is true.


Outstanding

Just like the Zelda timeline, Nintendo also has a Mario timeline. They keep track of these things.

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ProtoPiranha
08/03/11 11:57:00 PM
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From: Emporer_Kazbar | #015
And you're making the claim that there was a Mushroom Kingdom before Bowser. Prove it.


There are people older than Baby Bowser.

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LeonhartFour
08/03/11 11:58:00 PM
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From: ProtoPiranha | #018
There are people older than Baby Bowser.


They were created with the appearance of age.

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ProtoPiranha
08/04/11 12:11:00 AM
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There's no evidence for that, again your theory is illogical.

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LeonhartFour
08/04/11 12:13:00 AM
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You are assuming the Mushroom Kingdom operates under the same set of rules our universe does, and it clearly does not.

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ProtoPiranha
08/04/11 12:15:00 AM
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It operates under time, that much is proven.

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LeonhartFour
08/04/11 12:16:00 AM
#23:


Yes, but time had a beginning.

And that beginning was Bowser.

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ProtoPiranha
08/04/11 12:16:00 AM
#24:


Again, no evidence for that.

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LeonhartFour
08/04/11 12:16:00 AM
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No evidence against that.

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GuessMyUserName
08/04/11 12:18:00 AM
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"Baby Bowser" is actually a thousand years old. He justs ages reallllllly slooooowwwly.

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junk_funk
08/04/11 12:19:00 AM
#27:


Mario parent's were killed by Bowser. But Grandma Mario, she makes awesome mushroom pies.

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ProtoPiranha
08/04/11 12:21:00 AM
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From: LeonhartFour | #025
No evidence against that.


The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.

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BIGPUN9999
08/04/11 12:21:00 AM
#29:


I would love it if they did but they won't because they don't need to tbh

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ScorpioVS
08/04/11 12:30:00 AM
#30:


This topic is nice.

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Viktor Vaughn
08/04/11 12:30:00 AM
#31:


booster i actually founded the mushroom kingdom, but his family was ousted by the toadstool regime

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LeonhartFour
08/04/11 12:51:00 AM
#32:


From: ProtoPiranha | #028
The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.


You are the one who is claiming the Mushroom Kingdom existed before Bowser and making assumptions that there were Koopas before him. You have about as much evidence in your favor as I do, if not less.

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ProtoPiranha
08/04/11 12:51:00 AM
#33:


From: BIGPUN9999 | #029
I would love it if they did but they won't because they don't need to tbh


Yeah they likely never will. The franchise is fun and charming, but I wouldn't mind a little development here and there. The RPGs are pretty good for that though.

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ProtoPiranha
08/04/11 12:53:00 AM
#34:


From: LeonhartFour | #032
You are the one who is claiming the Mushroom Kingdom existed before Bowser and making assumptions that there were Koopas before him. You have about as much evidence in your favor as I do, if not less.


I've already told you the Mushroom Kingdom exists in the realm of time, Bowser has been shown to age normally, and there are people older than Bowser. Likewise, no evidence has been given for your claim. You're arguing from ignorance.

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LeonhartFour
08/04/11 12:56:00 AM
#35:


You're arguing from ignorance as much as I am. You are making assumptions that the Mushroom Kingdom existed before Bowser did.

You have no evidence anything existed before Bowser did. None. Saying it's "illogical" for time to begin with Bowser isn't "evidence."

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Da_J
08/04/11 12:59:00 AM
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Mama Peach?

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LeonhartFour
08/04/11 1:03:00 AM
#37:


Also, Bowser has the power to create his own galaxy, so he clearly appears to possess abilities that few others do.

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ProtoPiranha
08/04/11 1:05:00 AM
#38:


From: LeonhartFour | #035
You're arguing from ignorance as much as I am. You are making assumptions that the Mushroom Kingdom existed before Bowser did.

You have no evidence anything existed before Bowser did. None. Saying it's "illogical" for time to begin with Bowser isn't "evidence."


I've already given you my evidence: people are shown to be older than Bowser, and Bowser ages normally. My evidence holds more bearing over your absence of evidence.

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GuessMyUserName
08/04/11 1:06:00 AM
#39:


From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 8/4/2011 4:03:19 AM | #037
Also, Bowser has the power to create his own galaxy, so he clearly appears to possess abilities that few others do.


Also, Bowser feeds off of stars. When Mario knocks him into a star at the end of SMG1, Bowser's "defeated" because he got so close to the star that he just had to consume it and that takes approximately 3 years to do, and so for 3 years the galaxy was at peace.

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LeonhartFour
08/04/11 1:07:00 AM
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From: ProtoPiranha | #038
I've already given you my evidence: people are shown to be older than Bowser


Once again, they could have been created with the appearance of age and they are not actually as old as they appear to be. There's no evidence that the Mushroom Kingdom has been around for hundreds or thousands of years.

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ProtoPiranha
08/04/11 1:10:00 AM
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Once again, they could have been created with the appearance of age and they are not actually as old as they appear to be.

If you provide me with evidence of this claim, then I will accept its validity. As it stands, there has been no evidence given.

There's no evidence that the Mushroom Kingdom has been around for hundreds or thousands of years.

I never said there was, but the Koopa Clan obviously existed before Bowser's existence. Kamek was in control of it it seemed like, and they were already a pretty big army.

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LeonhartFour
08/04/11 1:13:00 AM
#42:


There is no evidence that those people were in existence before Bowser either. "Looking older than" =/= "Is older than"

How long has Bowser been alive when Yoshi's Island begins anyway? There's no telling. He's clearly older than Mario and Luigi. There's nothing against the idea that Bowser had a guardian at the beginning who was there to watch over him as he matured.

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GuessMyUserName
08/04/11 1:14:00 AM
#43:


a 15 year old dog looks way older than a 60 year old turtle

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ProtoPiranha
08/04/11 1:17:00 AM
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There is no evidence that those people were in existence before Bowser either. "Looking older than" =/= "Is older than"

It has been shown that Bowser and other characters age normally. Kamek is clearly an adult while Bowser was a baby, and Toadsworth was an adult man when Bowser was a baby. Logic dictates that these people are indeed older than Bowser.

How long has Bowser been alive when Yoshi's Island begins anyway? There's no telling. He's clearly older than Mario and Luigi.

Well he's called Baby Bowser, so probably around 3.

There's nothing against the idea that Bowser had a guardian at the beginning who was there to watch over him as he matured.

There's nothing for it, so if you're going to make the radical claim, you need evidence.

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LeonhartFour
08/04/11 1:18:00 AM
#45:


From: ProtoPiranha | #044
It has been shown that Bowser and other characters age normally.


What does it mean to "age normally?" Different species age at different rates and live longer than others. And what does that have to do with the possibility that they were created to appear a certain age? That doesn't stop them from aging normally from that point forward.

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LeonhartFour
08/04/11 1:19:00 AM
#46:


From: ProtoPiranha | #044
There's nothing against the idea that Bowser had a guardian at the beginning who was there to watch over him as he matured.

There's nothing for it, so if you're going to make the radical claim, you need evidence.


Kamek is pretty clearly Bowser's guardian who is there to take care of him in his maturing years.

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BoshStrikesBack
08/04/11 1:39:00 AM
#47:


Leon is absolutely wrecking this topic.

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VincentLauw
08/04/11 3:30:00 AM
#48:


this sounds like a religion topic disguised as a Mario topic

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Dauntless Hunter
08/04/11 4:36:00 AM
#49:


How does Donkey Kong fit into the timeline?

Is he really Donkey Kong Jr. all grown up? Or is he Cranky Kong's grandson, as has sometimes been stated? And if Cranky Kong is the original Donkey Kong but he's gotten so old since 1981, how come nobody else is old too? For that matter, even Donkey Kong and Cranky Kong haven't aged since 1994.

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LeonhartFour
08/04/11 9:39:00 AM
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DKC is clearly an alternate timeline.

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