Board 8 > Whoa. People still think Lebron is the best player in the NBA?

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Andel 07/29/11 6:06:00 PM #51:	its not the few bad series, its the manner in which he falls apart. who is a bigger choker? -- . <cite>Andel posted [p:143926] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> its not the few bad series, its the manner in which he falls apart. who is a bigger choker? -- . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/29/11 6:08:00 PM #52:	This guy immediately jumps to mind. Also, if we're not talking individuals, the 2004 Yankees and the 2007 Patriots are also much worse than anything LeBron has ever done. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/26leonpngat.png <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:143927] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> This guy immediately jumps to mind.Also, if we're not talking individuals, the 2004 Yankees and the 2007 Patriots are also much worse than anything LeBron has ever done. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/26leonpngat.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Andel 07/29/11 7:13:00 PM #53:	Im just talking about individuals...and the players reputation and talent def factor in...yeah the pats were an epic choke job (I was delighted), but lebron checking out in the finals is really the pinnacle of sports meltdowns. the guy played like garbage the whole series and was obviously overwhelmed in every 4th quarter. -- . <cite>Andel posted [p:143928] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> Im just talking about individuals...and the players reputation and talent def factor in...yeah the pats were an epic choke job (I was delighted), but lebron checking out in the finals is really the pinnacle of sports meltdowns. the guy played like garbage the whole series and was obviously overwhelmed in every 4th quarter. -- . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/29/11 7:16:00 PM #54:	Then let's talk Dirk Nowitzki losing to the 8th seed after winning League MVP. That was a big choke job. And there were others. But nobody cares once you actually win. Peyton Manning choked in the playoffs a lot until he won, too. -- Support Squirtle (Pokemon R/B/Y) for Character Battle IX! http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8463/banner2squirtle.jpg <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:143929] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> Then let's talk Dirk Nowitzki losing to the 8th seed after winning League MVP.That was a big choke job.And there were others.But nobody cares once you actually win.Peyton Manning choked in the playoffs a lot until he won, too. -- Support Squirtle (Pokemon R/B/Y) for Character Battle IX!http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8463/banner2squirtle.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 07/29/11 7:39:00 PM #55:	Peyton Manning choked in the playoffs a lot until he won, too. yeah I was gonna mention him. he's got a lot more failures than successes in the playoofs, during times he was expected to win or go far <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:143930] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> Peyton Manning choked in the playoffs a lot until he won, too.yeah I was gonna mention him. he's got a lot more failures than successes in the playoofs, during times he was expected to win or go far </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lardpig 07/29/11 9:40:00 PM #56:	From: LeonhartFour \| #054 Then let's talk Dirk Nowitzki losing to the 8th seed after winning League MVP. That was a big choke job. that wasn't a choke it wasn't even an upset everybody with a brain was picking the warriors to win that series IIRC they went 2-0 against the mavs in the regular season, they were simply a matchup nightmare mavs would have beaten any other team we saw it again this year with the grizz tanking to play the spurs (the 1 seed) rather than the lakers (the 2 seed) and then kicking their ass matchups rule the nba -- TIMJAB <cite>lardpig posted [p:143931] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> From: LeonhartFour \| #054Then let's talk Dirk Nowitzki losing to the 8th seed after winning League MVP.That was a big choke job.that wasn't a chokeit wasn't even an upseteverybody with a brain was picking the warriors to win that seriesIIRC they went 2-0 against the mavs in the regular season, they were simply a matchup nightmaremavs would have beaten any other teamwe saw it again this year with the grizz tanking to play the spurs (the 1 seed) rather than the lakers (the 2 seed) and then kicking their assmatchups rule the nba -- TIMJAB </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Andel 07/29/11 10:38:00 PM #57:	manning has def choked a few times, but more often he has run into a better team (pats). nba is more about a couple of guys, nfl is much more about overall team. -- . <cite>Andel posted [p:143932] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> manning has def choked a few times, but more often he has run into a better team (pats). nba is more about a couple of guys, nfl is much more about overall team. -- . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/29/11 10:39:00 PM #58:	So it's only choking when you play poorly against teams you should beat? -- Support Morrigan Aensland (Darkstalkers) for Character Battle IX! http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9302/banner5morrigan2.jpg <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:143933] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> So it's only choking when you play poorly against teams you should beat? -- Support Morrigan Aensland (Darkstalkers) for Character Battle IX!http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9302/banner5morrigan2.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lardpig 07/29/11 10:41:00 PM #59:	From: LeonhartFour \| #058 So it's only choking when you play poorly against teams you should beat? ...yes? or if you have a big lead and lose it at the end -- TIMJAB <cite>lardpig posted [p:143934] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> From: LeonhartFour \| #058So it's only choking when you play poorly against teams you should beat?...yes?or if you have a big lead and lose it at the end -- TIMJAB </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Andel 07/29/11 10:44:00 PM #60:	we are talking about an epic choke job (actually a few key ones by lebron during playoffs) against manning losing a few games vegas had at virtually even money. -- . <cite>Andel posted [p:143935] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> we are talking about an epic choke job (actually a few key ones by lebron during playoffs) against manning losing a few games vegas had at virtually even money. -- . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/29/11 10:44:00 PM #61:	Manning had a reputation as a choker in part because he could never beat the Patriots, so it's not really limited to losing in big games to inferior teams. Not playing well in big games regardless of opponent is also a factor. -- http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7760/222bj.jpg <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:143936] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> Manning had a reputation as a choker in part because he could never beat the Patriots, so it's not really limited to losing in big games to inferior teams. Not playing well in big games regardless of opponent is also a factor. -- http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7760/222bj.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/29/11 10:44:00 PM #62:	From: Andel \| #060 we are talking about an epic choke job Okay, then we're not talking about LeBron anymore then. -- "Why must we always choose between certain death and probable death?" "I'm in an epic battle to the death, FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF!" <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:143937] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> From: Andel \| #060we are talking about an epic choke jobOkay, then we're not talking about LeBron anymore then. -- "Why must we always choose between certain death and probable death?""I'm in an epic battle to the death, FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Andel 07/29/11 10:47:00 PM #63:	how can you say lebron didnt choke in the finals? that is self evident. the guy crumbled every fourth quarter, he turned himself into an international joke. -- . <cite>Andel posted [p:143938] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> how can you say lebron didnt choke in the finals? that is self evident. the guy crumbled every fourth quarter, he turned himself into an international joke. -- . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/29/11 10:48:00 PM #64:	The "epic" part is what I would take issue with. -- http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2369/mythbattlers.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/Sensui22/1248835958206.png <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:143939] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> The "epic" part is what I would take issue with. -- http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2369/mythbattlers.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/Sensui22/1248835958206.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chrono1219 07/29/11 10:52:00 PM #65:	From: LeonhartFour \| #301 Manning had a reputation as a choker in part because he could never beat the Patriots, so it's not really limited to losing in big games to inferior teams. Not playing well in big games regardless of opponent is also a factor. Chargers too. From: Andel \| #303 how can you say lebron didnt choke in the finals? that is self evident. the guy crumbled every fourth quarter, he turned himself into an international joke. an epic Choke Job would be like 2007 Mets, 1984 Magic Johnson, The year the 1 seed Mavs lost to the 8 seed Warriors, Tony Romo Fumbling the snap, 1986 Red Sox, 2004 Yankees. -- Chrono1219 <cite>Chrono1219 posted [p:143940] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> From: LeonhartFour \| #301Manning had a reputation as a choker in part because he could never beat the Patriots, so it's not really limited to losing in big games to inferior teams. Not playing well in big games regardless of opponent is also a factor.Chargers too. From: Andel \| #303how can you say lebron didnt choke in the finals? that is self evident. the guy crumbled every fourth quarter, he turned himself into an international joke.an epic Choke Job would be like 2007 Mets, 1984 Magic Johnson, The year the 1 seed Mavs lost to the 8 seed Warriors, Tony Romo Fumbling the snap, 1986 Red Sox, 2004 Yankees. -- Chrono1219 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Andel 07/29/11 10:54:00 PM #66:	just look at his regular season numbers in comparison to his finals numbers, especially in the fourth quarter. Ive never seen an NBA player (that is the 'best' player in the league) fall apart like that. -- . <cite>Andel posted [p:143941] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> just look at his regular season numbers in comparison to his finals numbers, especially in the fourth quarter. Ive never seen an NBA player (that is the 'best' player in the league) fall apart like that. -- . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Andel 07/29/11 10:58:00 PM #67:	I would say lebrons choke job easily trumps all those, chrono. We are talking about one guy that played terrible throughout an entire series in which his team was heavily favored. the guy was scared to excecute offense in the fourth quarter. I never viewed lebron as the best player in the league (although he easily has the talent to be) because of his lack of clutch ability. -- . <cite>Andel posted [p:143942] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> I would say lebrons choke job easily trumps all those, chrono. We are talking about one guy that played terrible throughout an entire series in which his team was heavily favored. the guy was scared to excecute offense in the fourth quarter. I never viewed lebron as the best player in the league (although he easily has the talent to be) because of his lack of clutch ability. -- . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/29/11 10:59:00 PM #68:	From: Andel \| #067 I would say lebrons choke job easily trumps all those, chrono. You'd probably be in the minority on that one. Nobody will be talking about LeBron's "choke" against Dallas 10+ years from now, especially if the day comes when he does win a title. -- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:143943] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> From: Andel \| #067I would say lebrons choke job easily trumps all those, chrono.You'd probably be in the minority on that one.Nobody will be talking about LeBron's "choke" against Dallas 10+ years from now, especially if the day comes when he does win a title. -- "I can set you free, mate.""My freedom was forfeit long ago!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Andel 07/29/11 11:05:00 PM #69:	You will be right if he wins one, leon. dirk was a huge choker too (though not ever the magnitude of lebron), but all is forgiven when you actually get the job done. Like I said, I think lebron has more talent than anyone, he just checks out in the crucial moments. I hate kobe bryant, but I recognize he is the premier player in the league right now. this isnt about personal bias, it is just about the fact that lebron has a long history of falling apart in crucial situations. -- . <cite>Andel posted [p:143944] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> You will be right if he wins one, leon. dirk was a huge choker too (though not ever the magnitude of lebron), but all is forgiven when you actually get the job done. Like I said, I think lebron has more talent than anyone, he just checks out in the crucial moments.I hate kobe bryant, but I recognize he is the premier player in the league right now. this isnt about personal bias, it is just about the fact that lebron has a long history of falling apart in crucial situations. -- . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/29/11 11:06:00 PM #70:	He has a, what, three-series history of falling apart in crucial situations? -- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:143945] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> He has a, what, three-series history of falling apart in crucial situations? -- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!""Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheConductorSix 07/29/11 11:14:00 PM #71:	lol people's opinions. the average person just goes off what they feel and doesn't think logically when it comes to sports. they also only remember the most recent thing that happened. Thus why Dirk is so high and Lebron is so low. Lebron is the most talented American athlete since Bo Jackson and is the best basketball player alive. If given the choice, 29 NBA teams would select Lebron and Cleveland would pick Dwight Howard. -- Realo won gold at the Sex Olympics with a BROKEN FRIGGIN NECK.-Voltch <cite>TheConductorSix posted [p:143946] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> lol people's opinions.the average person just goes off what they feel and doesn't think logically when it comes to sports. they also only remember the most recent thing that happened.Thus why Dirk is so high and Lebron is so low. Lebron is the most talented American athlete since Bo Jackson and is the best basketball player alive. If given the choice, 29 NBA teams would select Lebron and Cleveland would pick Dwight Howard. -- Realo won gold at the Sex Olympics with a BROKEN FRIGGIN NECK.-Voltch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Andel 07/29/11 11:15:00 PM #72:	yes, three major series that come to mind. spurs in his original finals he was not favored, but he played terrible. The celtics series from 2 years ago and most notably (and terrible) these last finals. The fact that he doesnt make game winning (walk off) shots factors in as well. -- . <cite>Andel posted [p:143947] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> yes, three major series that come to mind. spurs in his original finals he was not favored, but he played terrible. The celtics series from 2 years ago and most notably (and terrible) these last finals. The fact that he doesnt make game winning (walk off) shots factors in as well. -- . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Andel 07/29/11 11:19:00 PM #73:	I agree he is the most talented, but that doesnt make him the best. He is very far from being the best player. and props to you leon for at least making logical, coherent arguments. you are probably the most dedicated user on this board and I commend you for that. I still disaree with you on this particular subject though, but reasonable people can disagree without all the childish drama. -- . <cite>Andel posted [p:143948] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> I agree he is the most talented, but that doesnt make him the best. He is very far from being the best player.and props to you leon for at least making logical, coherent arguments. you are probably the most dedicated user on this board and I commend you for that. I still disaree with you on this particular subject though, but reasonable people can disagree without all the childish drama. -- . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheConductorSix 07/29/11 11:20:00 PM #74:	See: Lebron vs. One of the best defensive teams of all time(Pistons) See: Lebron vs the Orlando Magic Game 1. See: Lebron vs. The Chicago Bulls 2011 See:The Cleveland Cavaliers without Lebron James -- Realo won gold at the Sex Olympics with a BROKEN FRIGGIN NECK.-Voltch <cite>TheConductorSix posted [p:143949] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> See: Lebron vs. One of the best defensive teams of all time(Pistons)See: Lebron vs the Orlando Magic Game 1.See: Lebron vs. The Chicago Bulls 2011See:The Cleveland Cavaliers without Lebron James -- Realo won gold at the Sex Olympics with a BROKEN FRIGGIN NECK.-Voltch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheConductorSix 07/29/11 11:21:00 PM #75:	Lebron James>Dwight Howard>>>Everyone else. You remove Dwight Howard from the Magic and they might be worse than the Cavaliers without Lebron. It's unreal how piss poor that team is. -- Realo won gold at the Sex Olympics with a BROKEN FRIGGIN NECK.-Voltch <cite>TheConductorSix posted [p:143950] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> Lebron James>Dwight Howard>>>Everyone else.You remove Dwight Howard from the Magic and they might be worse than the Cavaliers without Lebron. It's unreal how piss poor that team is. -- Realo won gold at the Sex Olympics with a BROKEN FRIGGIN NECK.-Voltch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheConductorSix 07/29/11 11:23:00 PM #76:	and lastly, the Buffalo Bills would like to introduce you to the biggest choker of all time. See what I mean. People just talk out of their asses constantly without a clue as to what they're talking about. -- Realo won gold at the Sex Olympics with a BROKEN FRIGGIN NECK.-Voltch <cite>TheConductorSix posted [p:143951] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> and lastly,the Buffalo Bills would like to introduce you to the biggest choker of all time. See what I mean. People just talk out of their asses constantly without a clue as to what they're talking about. -- Realo won gold at the Sex Olympics with a BROKEN FRIGGIN NECK.-Voltch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheConductorSix 07/29/11 11:24:00 PM #77:	P.S Tom Brady doesn't have any game winning TD passes in the playoffs because his team won by a field goal. Does this make him less clutch than other legends because he didn't personally score the winning points? People need to get off Lebron's dick. It's getting unreal. -- Realo won gold at the Sex Olympics with a BROKEN FRIGGIN NECK.-Voltch <cite>TheConductorSix posted [p:143952] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> P.STom Brady doesn't have any game winning TD passes in the playoffs because his team won by a field goal.Does this make him less clutch than other legends because he didn't personally score the winning points?People need to get off Lebron's dick. It's getting unreal. -- Realo won gold at the Sex Olympics with a BROKEN FRIGGIN NECK.-Voltch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Andel 07/29/11 11:27:00 PM #78:	...but you only have like 3 examples of lebron performing well and 1 of them is only a 1 game performance. I would rather my knicks have dwight, kobe, dwade or even rose over lebron. the guy is talented, but he is incapable (at least thus far) of closing the deal. -- . <cite>Andel posted [p:143953] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> ...but you only have like 3 examples of lebron performing well and 1 of them is only a 1 game performance. I would rather my knicks have dwight, kobe, dwade or even rose over lebron. the guy is talented, but he is incapable (at least thus far) of closing the deal. -- . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Andel 07/29/11 11:29:00 PM #79:	we would be off of it if he had showed up. you are comparing brady, who had good numbers in pretty much every playoff/superbowl win to a guy that falls apart under pressure. not to mention the whole complete different sport thing. if lebron played well and still lost it would be one thing, but you cant argue the guy did anything but fall completelt apart in these finals. -- . <cite>Andel posted [p:143954] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> we would be off of it if he had showed up. you are comparing brady, who had good numbers in pretty much every playoff/superbowl win to a guy that falls apart under pressure. not to mention the whole complete different sport thing. if lebron played well and still lost it would be one thing, but you cant argue the guy did anything but fall completelt apart in these finals. -- . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 07/29/11 11:57:00 PM #80:	everybody with a brain was picking the warriors to win that series haha what? you can find footage of expert picks, old articles, whatever. no one was picking the warriors to win. dirk was a huge choker too He never was. Running into better teams or watching Avery Johnson get outcoached isn't "huge choking." If you check out his playoff stats for the last 5 or 6 years he's been good. This "Dirk chokejob" thing is entirely a media creation and doesn't resemble reality much. <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:143955] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> everybody with a brain was picking the warriors to win that serieshaha what? you can find footage of expert picks, old articles, whatever. no one was picking the warriors to win.dirk was a huge choker tooHe never was. Running into better teams or watching Avery Johnson get outcoached isn't "huge choking." If you check out his playoff stats for the last 5 or 6 years he's been good. This "Dirk chokejob" thing is entirely a media creation and doesn't resemble reality much. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 07/30/11 12:03:00 AM #81:	in fact here is an example! http://www.faniq.com/blog.php?id=2358 Greg Anthony: Dallas in 6 Chris Sheridan: Dallas in 6 John Hollinger: Dallas in 6 <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:143956] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> in fact here is an example!http://www.faniq.com/blog.php?id=2358Greg Anthony: Dallas in 6Chris Sheridan: Dallas in 6John Hollinger: Dallas in 6 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/30/11 12:04:00 AM #82:	From: Andel \| #078 1 of them is only a 1 game performance. And also one of the most amazing individual playoff performances of all-time. Seriously. I can't think of another playoff performance like it. Kinda funny how you mention that you'd rather have Rose over LeBron when James was the reason the Heat beat the Bulls. -- Support Otacon (Metal Gear Solid) for Character Battle IX! http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/1950/banner4otacon.jpg <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:143957] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> From: Andel \| #0781 of them is only a 1 game performance.And also one of the most amazing individual playoff performances of all-time.Seriously. I can't think of another playoff performance like it.Kinda funny how you mention that you'd rather have Rose over LeBron when James was the reason the Heat beat the Bulls. -- Support Otacon (Metal Gear Solid) for Character Battle IX!http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/1950/banner4otacon.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Andel 07/30/11 12:09:00 AM #83:	Rose has crazy good talent and will probably be the premiere pg in the nba for years to come. besides center, the point is the toughest skill position in the league to find a superstar at. also, rose has yet to prove he is a choker, something lebron has proven to be. I would rather have had derek jeter throughout his career as a ss than arod because he is a clutch playoff performer even though arod was the superior regular season guy. its that kind of deal to me. -- . <cite>Andel posted [p:143958] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> Rose has crazy good talent and will probably be the premiere pg in the nba for years to come. besides center, the point is the toughest skill position in the league to find a superstar at. also, rose has yet to prove he is a choker, something lebron has proven to be. I would rather have had derek jeter throughout his career as a ss than arod because he is a clutch playoff performer even though arod was the superior regular season guy. its that kind of deal to me. -- . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/30/11 12:10:00 AM #84:	Rose hasn't had enough time to "prove" he is a choker, but the 2011 playoffs were not a promising start for him. -- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gif http://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:143959] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> Rose hasn't had enough time to "prove" he is a choker, but the 2011 playoffs were not a promising start for him. -- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gifhttp://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Andel 07/30/11 12:14:00 AM #85:	not too bad though...his team lost to a superior team talent wise. and his eastern conference finals performance was way better than lebrons finals perfomance for what its worth. -- . <cite>Andel posted [p:143960] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> not too bad though...his team lost to a superior team talent wise. and his eastern conference finals performance was way better than lebrons finals perfomance for what its worth. -- . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/30/11 12:15:00 AM #86:	Actually, Rose's 4th quarters against Miami were about as bad as LeBron's against Dallas. -- http://img.imgcake.com/leonpngpe.png http://img.imgcake.com/squalloweenpngem.png <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:143961] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> Actually, Rose's 4th quarters against Miami were about as bad as LeBron's against Dallas. -- http://img.imgcake.com/leonpngpe.pnghttp://img.imgcake.com/squalloweenpngem.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Andel 07/30/11 12:18:00 AM #87:	well, if we are talking statistically, lebron puts up bigger numbers anyway. and the heat defense is far superior to the dallas d. -- . <cite>Andel posted [p:143962] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> well, if we are talking statistically, lebron puts up bigger numbers anyway. and the heat defense is far superior to the dallas d. -- . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/30/11 12:20:00 AM #88:	If Rose is as good as you say, that's still no excuse for his continually crappy performances in crunch time, particularly when LeBron was the one guarding him down the stretch. So to say you'd rather have Rose over LeBron is still kinda shaky at best to me because when they went one on one when it mattered, James bested him. -- Support Squirtle (Pokemon R/B/Y) for Character Battle IX! http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8463/banner2squirtle.jpg <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:143963] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> If Rose is as good as you say, that's still no excuse for his continually crappy performances in crunch time, particularly when LeBron was the one guarding him down the stretch.So to say you'd rather have Rose over LeBron is still kinda shaky at best to me because when they went one on one when it mattered, James bested him. -- Support Squirtle (Pokemon R/B/Y) for Character Battle IX!http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8463/banner2squirtle.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 07/30/11 12:23:00 AM #89:	Rose isn't a choker, he's just not as good as the hype. He shouldn't have won the MVP this year and expecting him to carry the Bulls to a championship is kind of silly. <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:143964] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> Rose isn't a choker, he's just not as good as the hype. He shouldn't have won the MVP this year and expecting him to carry the Bulls to a championship is kind of silly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Andel 07/30/11 12:24:00 AM #90:	I would say that isnt really a fair comparison. James is always a good defender (except at times in the finals), and has 4 inches on rose while he is just as athletic. Rose is also not needed as much on the scoring end. -- . <cite>Andel posted [p:143965] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> I would say that isnt really a fair comparison. James is always a good defender (except at times in the finals), and has 4 inches on rose while he is just as athletic. Rose is also not needed as much on the scoring end. -- . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 07/30/11 12:26:00 AM #91:	Rose is also not needed as much on the scoring end. oh dear <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:143966] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> Rose is also not needed as much on the scoring end.oh dear </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/30/11 12:28:00 AM #92:	From: Andel \| #090 Rose is also not needed as much on the scoring end. Maybe if LeBron were still on the Cavaliers, this would be true. But the fact that Rose had nobody else to turn to was one of the big reasons the Bulls lost that series. -- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:143967] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> From: Andel \| #090Rose is also not needed as much on the scoring end.Maybe if LeBron were still on the Cavaliers, this would be true.But the fact that Rose had nobody else to turn to was one of the big reasons the Bulls lost that series. -- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!""Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XxDarkCrueltyxX 07/30/11 12:29:00 AM #93:	well...he obviously was needed that series, but if boozer had not checked out completely they would have been fine with rose scoring 18-25. <cite>XxDarkCrueltyxX posted [p:143968] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> well...he obviously was needed that series, but if boozer had not checked out completely they would have been fine with rose scoring 18-25. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/30/11 12:35:00 AM #94:	Boozer's overpaid garbage anyway. -- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:143969] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> Boozer's overpaid garbage anyway. -- "So cold. I am always by your side.""There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 07/30/11 12:37:00 AM #95:	it's true being Alaskan and having to claim Boozer and Chalmers is the worst give me my Trajan Langdon back <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:143970] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> it's truebeing Alaskan and having to claim Boozer and Chalmers is the worstgive me my Trajan Langdon back </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/30/11 12:44:00 AM #96:	I do miss Trajan Langdon. -- http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8718/leonflowchart.png <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:143971] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> I do miss Trajan Langdon. -- http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8718/leonflowchart.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dauntless Hunter 07/30/11 2:58:00 AM #97:	*Andel posted...* Name a bigger choker in the last 25 years John Starks. After averaging over 19 points a game in the first 6 games of the 1994 NBA Finals, he scored only 8 in Game 7, a game the Knicks lost by 6 points. This performance saw him go 2 for 18 on FG, and 0 for 11 on 3P, more attempts than in any other game in the series. -- Black Turtle spilled my diet soda! <cite>Dauntless Hunter posted [p:143972] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> Andel posted...Name a bigger choker in the last 25 yearsJohn Starks.After averaging over 19 points a game in the first 6 games of the 1994 NBA Finals, he scored only 8 in Game 7, a game the Knicks lost by 6 points. This performance saw him go 2 for 18 on FG, and 0 for 11 on 3P, more attempts than in any other game in the series. -- Black Turtle spilled my diet soda! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Andel 07/30/11 10:17:00 AM #98:	oh believe me, I remember the starks meltdown. that said, it was no where near the meltdown lebron had. starks wasnt even the 'best' player on the team, and he only checked out in game 7. lebron played terrible in games 2-6 of the finals including every fourth quarter, and is supposed to be a 'great' player. the playoffs and finals seperate the good from the great, and lebron will never be remotely close to a great player until he wins a title. and lebrons performance against detroit was his one clutch post season game, but it meant nothing as he fell apart when it really mattered. -- . <cite>Andel posted [p:143973] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> oh believe me, I remember the starks meltdown. that said, it was no where near the meltdown lebron had. starks wasnt even the 'best' player on the team, and he only checked out in game 7. lebron played terrible in games 2-6 of the finals including every fourth quarter, and is supposed to be a 'great' player. the playoffs and finals seperate the good from the great, and lebron will never be remotely close to a great player until he wins a title.and lebrons performance against detroit was his one clutch post season game, but it meant nothing as he fell apart when it really mattered. -- . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/30/11 10:23:00 AM #99:	From: Andel \| #098 and lebrons performance against detroit was his one clutch post season game, but it meant nothing as he fell apart when it really mattered. Off balance game winner against Orlando? And honestly, LeBron has been fine in the postseason aside from the past two years. People are totally blowing it out of proportion due to lackluster performances the last two years and the heavy expectations he has on his shoulders. Yes, he got rocked in the Finals against San Antonio, but they were clearly overmatched and just lucky to even be there. It's like saying Allen Iverson is a choker because the Sixers got rocked by the Lakers the year they made it to the Finals. -- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:143974] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> From: Andel \| #098and lebrons performance against detroit was his one clutch post season game, but it meant nothing as he fell apart when it really mattered.Off balance game winner against Orlando?And honestly, LeBron has been fine in the postseason aside from the past two years. People are totally blowing it out of proportion due to lackluster performances the last two years and the heavy expectations he has on his shoulders. Yes, he got rocked in the Finals against San Antonio, but they were clearly overmatched and just lucky to even be there. It's like saying Allen Iverson is a choker because the Sixers got rocked by the Lakers the year they made it to the Finals. -- "So cold. I am always by your side.""There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pianist 07/30/11 10:29:00 AM #100:	*Andel posted...* Rose has crazy good talent and will probably be the premiere pg in the nba for years to come. besides center, the point is the toughest skill position in the league to find a superstar at. also, rose has yet to prove he is a choker, something lebron has proven to be. I would rather have had derek jeter throughout his career as a ss than arod because he is a clutch playoff performer even though arod was the superior regular season guy. its that kind of deal to me. i'd say PG is one of the more stacked positions in the NBA today... that and PF. -- I'm always serious. Otherwise, no one will take me seriously. <cite>Pianist posted [p:143975] in Whoa. Peop... [t:59875095]...</cite> <quote> Andel posted...Rose has crazy good talent and will probably be the premiere pg in the nba for years to come. besides center, the point is the toughest skill position in the league to find a superstar at. also, rose has yet to prove he is a choker, something lebron has proven to be. I would rather have had derek jeter throughout his career as a ss than arod because he is a clutch playoff performer even though arod was the superior regular season guy. its that kind of deal to me.i'd say PG is one of the more stacked positions in the NBA today... that and PF. -- I'm always serious. Otherwise, no one will take me seriously. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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