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wow meltzer actually gave it 5 stars?

it's been a long time since he's given any match on american soil 5 stars...the last time was either joe vs. kobashi or joe vs. aj vs. daniels. i assume it was probably the latter since i think joe had finished up with ROH by then. either way it's almost 6 years i think.

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Ryder just started singing I Want it That Way by backstreet boys.
...Ryder sings surprisingly great!

or did he give do fixer vs. blood generation 5 stars? i think he did. that was 2006 but it's still over 5 years.

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Ryder:"I'm not good at sports. I'm not very athletic."

I don't want this podcast to end ever. Those two are too great.

Punk talking about Ryder is so amazing.

Zack's dad is a bodybuilder. He is STILL a bodybuilder. Oh my god.
Tommy Dreamer is the one who got Ryder on WWE? That...explains Dreamer's final match on raw.
Also Edge doesn't like to be called bro.
He bonded with Big O over boybands.
Also Cobana and Ryder are hinting that Ryder will...be doing something?

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Tommy Dreamer is the one who got Ryder on WWE? That...explains Dreamer's final match on raw.

Ryder and Hawkins were trained by Mikey Whipwreck, who received training from Dreamer. Dreamer probably did a bit for them as well, or at the very least Whipwreck relayed Dreamer's knowledge and passed their names along to him.

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wtf went to rewatch my DVR'd MITB and it wants to charge me again the hell?

It's a PPV. They don't let you keep it forever.

That's how it works for DirecTV at least. Anytime after 24 hours, you can't watch it again for free. Not sure what cable/satellite company you have.

For movies. I was always able to rewatch WWE events until now

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They must be cracking down on that glitch in the programming then!

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Listening to the Colt/Zack interview.

Does anyone know what is being said in the background after CM Punk shows up? Something is being said and the reply is "We can't talk about that". Now I'm curious as to what it was. (happens around 33minutes)

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- WWE is looking to hire someone with a sports background to groom for working in talent relations. There is lots of talk within WWE about John Laurinaitis and his long-term future with the company. It's no secret that Triple H isn't a fan of Laurinaitis and Laurinaitis has always been compared in a negative way to Jim Ross when it comes to talent relations. It was discussed after Money in the Bank that Laurinaitis may be established as a new TV character, similar to how Patterson and Brisco were to Vince McMahon years ago.


...Johnny Ace = RAW GM?

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compared in a negative way to Jim Ross

Well DUH!

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FacePalmer posted...
wow meltzer actually gave it 5 stars?

it's been a long time since he's given any match on american soil 5 stars...the last time was either joe vs. kobashi or joe vs. aj vs. daniels. i assume it was probably the latter since i think joe had finished up with ROH by then. either way it's almost 6 years i think.

http://starratingslist.blogspot.com/2009/09/wrestling-observer-5-star-ratings-list.html

Forget American soil, this is the first match PERIOD to get ***** from him since Do Fixer vs. Blood Generation in 2006.

Granted he doesn't seem to watch nearly as much puro as he used to.

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With Undertaker and Goldust's futures in question, this means that the only person on the active WWE roster who has ever put on a Meltzer-certified ***** match is...

John Cena.

YOU CAN'T WRESTLE

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Goldust was in a five star match???

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It was a WarGames so technically yes but only as an ensemble.

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Fairly sure Jericho, Rey, Edge, Angle have never had a 5 star.

could be wrong on angle though.

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Well depends on who you ask.

Rey and Angle have had matches that I've seen ***** ratings for. I don't think Jericho or Edge has though.

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something I've always found interesting is how adamant Meltzer is that in their primes HBK and Hart were never the best wrestlers in the world, only north america.

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Going through now looking for the best-rated matches from those 4 guys.

Rey has 3 matches that hit ****3/4
Rey vs. Psicosis, BatB '96
Rey vs. Eddie Guerrero, Halloween Havoc '97
Angle/Benoit vs. Edge/Rey, No Mercy '02

That last one covers everyone else you listed except Jericho too, but I'll check and see if they had any others.

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Benoit has a 5 star match, not too surprised about that.

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Jericho's ****3/4 matches:

Jericho vs. Benoit, Royal Rumble '01
Jericho/Benoit vs. Austin/Triple H, May '01 Raw
TLC 3, May '01 SmackDown

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Angle's ****3/4 matches

Angle/Benoit vs. Edge/Rey, No Mercy '02
Angle vs. Benoit, Royal Rumble '03
Angle vs. Michaels, Wrestlemania 21

For the record, he has two Angle matches in TNA rated at ****1/2, but none higher.

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What did the big Jericho/HBK match get rated?

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You're gonna have to clarify which one is "the big one." They had a handful of 1-on-1 classics.

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Thank you Colt Cabana for letting me know that there is a pro wrestling thing happening near me tomorrow. Might have to check this out and see if I can meet JR and Colt.

http://www.impactprowrestling.com/

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Edge's ****3/4 matches:

TLC 2, Wrestlemania X-7
TLC 3, SmackDown May '01
Angle/Benoit vs. Edge/Rey, No Mercy '02

Nothing higher than ****1/2 for Edge in the realm of singles matches.

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JaKyL25 posted...
You're gonna have to clarify which one is "the big one." They had a handful of 1-on-1 classics.

The ladder match at No Mercy 08. One of my all time favorite matches.

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Oh I agree, that's their best one.

****1/2, and I think that's a little low.

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how convenient that every one of those 4 people have exactly 3

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Does he take story into account for these? Cause the amazing feud just made that match even better.

I feel like he must if he gave Punk/Cena 5 stars.

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Episode 23 is up, and it is an all-time classic!

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He didn't give the match rating until after the entire post-match segment was done, so yeah I definitely think he took everything into account.

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So many new guest stars!

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Yeah, and just 4 days after the first ***** match in years, we've already got another!

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ATTENTION!

Due to circumstances beyond my control, three matches of tomorrow's Bash at the Beach event are not going to be seen in their entirety. These matches are:


Glacier and Ernest 'The Cat' Miller vs. Mortis and Wrath (The final few seconds)

Chris Jericho(c) vs. Ultimo Dragon for the WCW Cruiserweight Championship (The entirety)

The Steiner Brothers vs. Masahiro Chono and Great Muta (All but the last three minutes are unavailable)


However, I am STILL planning on watching this PPV tomorrow at 10:00 AM CDT.

Here is the rest of the PPV that will be seen in it's entirety (No Spoilers):

Main Event:
Lex Luger/Giant vs. Hollywood Hogan/Dennis Rodman

Undercard:
Roddy Piper vs. Ric Flair

DDP/??? vs. Scott Hall/Randy Savage

Steve 'Mongo' McMichael vs. Jeff Jarrett(c) for the WCW United States Heavyweight Championship

Chris Benoit vs. Kevin Sullivan in a Career vs. Career Match

Juventud/Garza/Lizmark Jr. vs. Villano IV/La Parka/Psicosis in a Mexican Rules matches
Hell, I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know..
My WCW watchthrough topic: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/57994703

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Vickie Guerrero is getting a t-shirt and you can vote on the design.

http://apps.facebook.com/polldaddy-polls/?view=poll&id=5230661

I'm sure this will be a hot seller. <_____<;

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"Buy the t-shirt... and if it's sold out, buy Vickie's t-shirt..."

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Hey, by purchasing her t-shirt, you're helping to support Eddie Guerrero's family!

...well, not Dominick. <______<;

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JaKyL25 posted...
Yeah, and just 4 days after the first ***** match in years, we've already got another!

which one?

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The one on Z!TLIS

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JaKyL25 posted...
Now, vacancies in and of themselves aren't always too big of an issue, if the vacancy is filled in a logical and decisive manner. Let's look at the WWE Championship vacancies to see how a real belt does it.



i want to talk title history so im going back to this.


1.) Andre wins the title from Hogan in dubious fashion thanks to Twin Magic, tries to sell belt, Jack Tunney declares title vacant.
VACANCY FILLED BY: 14-man tournament featuring all the top guys in the company, with Hogan and Andre each given a 1st-round bye. Decisive Champion is crowned.

this is mostly true but i thinkhogans invovement cheapened savages whole run.

2.) Undertaker and Hogan trade the belt in matches with controversial finishes, Tunney declares the title vacant.
VACANCY FILLED BY: 1992 Royal Rumble with Hogan and Taker given preferential draws. A little shaky but still moderately fair. Flair definitely earned it.


except did he? I mean yeah he lasted a REALLY long time but its pretty arguable that him needing hogans help to trundle over Sid hurts it.

3.) Shawn Michaels forfeits title in cowardly fashion due to a misplaced grin.
VACANCY FILLED BY: Previously scheduled Final Four match featuring four of the top five challengers, with the other (Sid) given a title shot against the winner the next night on Raw. The lack of Sid in the Final Four match casts doubt on the credibility of Bret's reign as a result, but since Sid won it the next day, in the end the credibility was restored.

I wonder about this too. does sid retain against michaels? if not i dont really buy his reign being too legitimate eitherm

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You have to buy Sid's reign as legitimate IMO, since it was Shawn's OWN CHOICE to not defend it. It's not like he was out there as an uncrowned Champion. He declared HIMSELF to no longer be Champion.

As far as Flair goes, hey, everything's legal in the Rumble. The only shaky part is the idea that beating someone in a Battle Royal-style match means you're better than they are. But still, the top 30 guys in WWE (aside from Bret who was out at the time) got their chance to win the title, and Flair won.

If, say, Hogan or Undertaker was for some reason removed from the Rumble, then there would be true doubt cast on Flair's reign.

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Hey i even love Sid, but i think the whole trouble with the situation is that michaels vacates for next to no reason and then comes back after a short period, without sid ever beating michaels i feel like no reign between michaels 2 count.

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...well, not Dominick. <______<;

Wow, just...wow.

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You know, I think WWE may be beginning to help Ryder produce his show. Considering the cam quality in the first segment and the fact Ryder is jobbing on his own show.

In a way, he's always been jobbing to Morrison on his show.

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ryders show has done a better job of getting ziggler and jomo over than it has done for him.

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HE'S ON WWE.COM! THAT COUNTS FOR SOMETHING!

Joey Styles in 10 seconds shows he's a better commentator than what we've currently got.

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