Board 8 > Rolling Stone (deservedly) gets a lot of s*** for their music lists. Not here.

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This list of the top 100 pop songs (compiled in 2000, which is all the better) is actually really good.

http://www.rockonthenet.com/archive/2000/rsmtv100.htm

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I would begrudgingly accept I Want It That Way at 10, but above Hotel California?

...Mmm Bop?

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I'd certainly put Wonderwall and Tainted Love much higher. I Want You Back should be #1.

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From: WalrusJump | #003
I'd certainly put Wonderwall and Tainted Love much higher. I Want You Back should be #1.

I Want You Back is one of my favorites, but its placement is about perfect

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Nevermind that a lot of those aren't actually pop songs >.>;

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From: OctilIery | #005
Nevermind that a lot of those aren't actually pop songs >.>;

find one that isn't.

i don't think you can do so and justify it

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are these even pop songs?

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From: OctilIery | #005
Nevermind that a lot of those aren't actually pop songs >.>;

find one that isn't.

i don't think you can do so and justify it

Pretty much anything on there involving a band that isn't a boy band is not a pop song.

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People confuse "pop" for anything popular, and try to apply it to music that always fits well within a genre.

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Really? That's your argument?

Why bother?

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Are you really going to try and argue that Sweet Child of Mine, Bohemian Rhapsody, Hotel California, Losing My Religion, My Generation, Iris, and Jump are pop songs?

There are other strong examples, but those are some of the most blatant.

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Tainted Love way too low. And Proud Mary and Don't Speak are pretty weak representations for their respective bands. But yeah, this list isn't bad.

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Are you going to argue that Yesterday, (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction, Good Vibrations, I Want to Hold Your Hand, Where Did Our Love Go?, Bohemian Rhapsody, My Generation, Born to Run, Every Breath You Take, and so on and so on ad infinitium aren't pop songs?

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Are you really going to try and argue that Sweet Child of Mine, Bohemian Rhapsody, Hotel California, Losing My Religion, My Generation, Iris, and Jump are pop songs?

There are other strong examples, but those are some of the most blatant.

It really just depends on your perception of the genre. I know I wouldn't consider SCOM or Hotel California pop, but it's reasonable why others would.

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Sweet Child o' Mine hit #1 on the Billboard Hot 100. That alone makes it a pop song.

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Are you going to argue that Yesterday, (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction, Good Vibrations, I Want to Hold Your Hand, Where Did Our Love Go?, Bohemian Rhapsody, My Generation, Born to Run, Every Breath You Take, and so on and so on ad infinitium aren't pop songs?

You could make good arguments for a couple of those, but Bohemian Rhapsody, My Generation, and Born to Run at the least are not AT ALL pop songs.

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this is a weird list

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Sweet Child o' Mine hit #1 on the Billboard Hot 100. That alone makes it a pop song.

Actually it's song content that puts it in the genre, not just popularity.

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OctilIery posted...
Sweet Child o' Mine hit #1 on the Billboard Hot 100. That alone makes it a pop song.

Actually it's song content that puts it in the genre, not just popularity.


Actually, that's exactly what the genre originated as. "Having popular appeal." Just because one can now argue it has a different meaning doesn't mean that they have to abide by it over the original idea.

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Actually, that's exactly what the genre originated as. "Having popular appeal." Just because one can now argue it has a different meaning doesn't mean that they have to abide by it over the original idea.

It's a specific genre that does refer to a general style of song. You can make whatever argument you want over it, and you can feel free to be wrong.

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From: OctilIery | #016
Are you going to argue that Yesterday, (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction, Good Vibrations, I Want to Hold Your Hand, Where Did Our Love Go?, Bohemian Rhapsody, My Generation, Born to Run, Every Breath You Take, and so on and so on ad infinitium aren't pop songs?

You could make good arguments for a couple of those, but Bohemian Rhapsody, My Generation, and Born to Run at the least are not AT ALL pop songs.

They absolutely are. Genres are merely vaguely-defined concepts. Pop music is the broadest umbrella under which music can be placed. By its own definition, a pop song is a song that has broad appeal to a wide audience. Only over the course of our lifetimes has pop music taken on an additional but secondary meaning as a more specific style of music. The meaning of "pop" and the songs that are "pop" do not create a mutual exclusivity.

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The term "pop song," is first recorded as being used in 1926 in the sense of a piece of music "having popular appeal".[4] Hatch and Millward indicate that many events in the history of recording in the 1920s can be seen as the birth of the modern pop music industry, including in country, blues and hillbilly music.[5]

According to Grove Music Online, the term "pop music" "originated in Britain in the mid-1950s as a description for Rock and roll and the new youth music styles that it influenced ...".[6] The Oxford Dictionary of Music states that while pop's "earlier meaning meant concerts appealing to a wide audience ...[,] since the late 1950s, however, pop has had the special meaning of non-classical mus[ic], usually in the form of songs, performed by such artists as the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, ABBA, etc."[7] Grove Music Online also states that "... in the early 1960s [the term] ‘pop music’ competed terminologically with Beat music [in England], while in the USA its coverage overlapped (as it still does) with that of ‘rock and roll’."[6] Chambers' Dictionary mentions the contemporary usage of the term "pop art";[8] Grove Music Online states that the "term pop music ... seems to have been a spin-off from the terms pop art and pop culture, coined slightly earlier, and referring to a whole range of new, often American, media-culture products".[6]

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They absolutely are. Genres are merely vaguely-defined concepts. Pop music is the broadest umbrella under which music can be placed. By its own definition, a pop song is a song that has broad appeal to a wide audience. Only over the course of our lifetimes has pop music taken on an additional but secondary meaning as a more specific style of music. The meaning of "pop" and the songs that are "pop" do not create a mutual exclusivity.

No. The TERM "pop" originated from popular music, but the term was created for simple songs that follow current trends and attempt to appeal to the widest possible audience, deemphasize artistic qualities, and focus on production over performance - pretty much none of which applies to any of the songs I named.

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Furthermore, the status of many of these songs as touchstones in popular culture deepen their status as "pop songs". No one would deny that Tangled Up in Blue, My Generation, Hotel California, etc are tremendous monuments in pop culture

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lol and Sheen brings up something that does nothing to support him.

I'm done. They aren't pop songs, end of story.

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Is Octillery joyrock

Because that'd explain a lot and I'll just leave the topic now.

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From: StealThisSheen | #026
Is Octillery joyrock

Yes.

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Herp derp Smoke on the Water, Iron Man, Enter Sandman, and Stairway to Heaven are now pop songs.

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OctilIery posted...
lol and Sheen brings up something that does nothing to support him.

I'm done. They aren't pop songs, end of story.


"Popular music, usually with coverage that overlaps with rock and roll"
"LOL YOU ARE SO WRONG THESE POPULAR ROCK AND ROLL SONGS DON'T FIT."

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That would certainly explain why I know more about the subject at hand than you, Sheen :)

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From: StealThisSheen | #026
Is Octillery joyrock
Yes.


Oh, cool. Glad to know.

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Yes Sheen, it's very good to keep up on quality users :)

Anyways, people that call them pop songs are about as bad as people that call classic rock a genre.

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That would certainly explain why I know more about the subject at hand than you, Sheen :)

What explains you knowing more about the subject than Rolling Stone?

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They're Rolling Stone. That pretty well covers it.

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The problem is when you take pop songs as something that is not a genre (like this list does) but then you also use it the other way. This is most problematic with crossover genres or off shoots (Power Pop, Technopop, Electropop, any fusion really). You can't have things both ways like this.

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And the problem with defining Pop in the way Cokes would have us do is the same as with Classic Rock - It has no form, no guidelines or boundaries, and in the end you aren't really defining anything.

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beatles are the best pop band ever.

for what it's worth, this list explicitly states what is deems a pop song: a song that's performed well on an american popular song chart. i'd say that's as good a definition of 'pop song' as you'll find. no need to generalize, shoe-horn, or look down upon a genre of music that just so happens to have a similar name to a definition.


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From: OctilIery | #036
and in the end you aren't really defining anything.

you are simply making a list of popular music. there is no need to further delineate. by providing a broad spectrum of music over the coarse of decades, you're able to see how tastes have changed far better than you would in a specified list.

the definition of pop song is not the biggest issue with this list, however. the lack of "be my baby" is.


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Seems like a pretty loose interpretation of the pop genre but I'm not exactly an expert.

joyrock you can't try to be cheeky after you've already killed the mood with semantics

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Does EVERY list they put out have a Rolling Stones song at #2? It sure seems like it.

Especially funny when on one list the Rolling Stones came in second to "Like a Rolling Stone" by Bob Dylan. Come on, guys. You can try to hide it better.

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I'm all for "anything that isn't classical or jazz can be called pop"

heck some jazz can be called pop too probably, certainly it was the popular music of a certain time period

anyway surprised at how high smells like teen spirit it

also little red corvette does not belong on this list

literally dozens of better prince songs for one

oh hells yeah, jazz was the original pop. hey snowy I'm delvin deeper into the genre myself, I know you got some recs that aren't davis/mingus/monk/coltrane don't ya

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From: OmarsComin | #043
also little red corvette does not belong on this list

literally dozens of better prince songs for one

one of which is on there

but LRC is still one of Prince's best pop songs

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