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I don't think that there is a difference between the Galaxy's controls and Galaxy 2's.

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LeonhartFour posted...
I don't recall ever having problems with either Galaxy's controls, which is impressive for a game with motion controls. The Galaxy games are a good example of how to use motion controls effectively.

This.

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Wiimote shaking for timing-sensitive actions always has and always will suck, but otherwise Galaxy's controls are good.

Personally I think SMG2 is just way too like the original to be an excellent game to me, though it's still a good one. Yes, it'd likely be the better game if it came first, but when two games are that similar, I'm never going to have as high a respect for the second. Also Bowser isn't a complete joke in Galaxy 1!

LttP may be a bottom five game for me. Really don't like that game at all (not big on Zeldas in general outside finding the 2nd one pretty cool, and LttP moved the series towards a brand of puzzle I can't stand). I mean, it's probably not, but it's certainly bottom 5 out of games I've seen actual hype for! (e.g. SNES Lord of the Rings is obviously way worse, but everyone who's played it knows this).

Disappointed in SM64 beating SMB3, kinda confirms what I've been suspecting for a few years now, that B8 has really moved past the NES era and those of us who grew up in it are a minority. Go back to the early days of this board and SMB3 clobbers SMW and SM64; now I kind of expect it to lose to both. On a related "how the NES has fallen", MMX sff'ing MM3 like that. Wow, really? Is the original MMX now the powerhouse Mega Man or something? If so, I can't wait for time to move on so that MMX4 can take up that mantle in a few years maybe. <_<

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Well, for SMG2 we were all super excited over the fact that it was the first time two 3D Mario games would be native to the same console...but seriously, I don't get that point! Most video game sequels that are similar to their originals are widely considered to be improvements anyway, and SMG2 is an example. The only things that SMG1 does better are production values (lol, who plays a Mario game for this?), backstory (again, lol), and MAYBE original score. And this isn't like Twilight Princess and Ocarina of Time where one is way too similar to the other - both Galaxies have differently structured hubworlds (same true with ANY 3D Mario, really), and I can't think of a single level in Galaxy 2 that aped something from Galaxy 1.

They're both in my top 10, being #5 and #6, anyway. Quite frankly either one would be higher if the other one didn't exist, but eh I love them both a lot anyway.

Okay, if we're having inter-series matches involving Mario, Zelda, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, and Sonic already, what are we leaving for the final week?

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MMX is way better than MM3. Mario 3, World and 64 are all great, who cares who wins? And you dislike ALttP that much so get out of here.

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LeonhartFour posted...
I think he's trying to say that results can change depending on who votes and who doesn't on any given day, which is true.

But he also seems to be implying that people wouldn't be open to changing their votes if the match was re-held for any reason, which definitely is not true. We just saw an example of it in the OT match.

Yes to the former and no to the latter

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From: NeoElfboy | #103
Is the original MMX now the powerhouse Mega Man or something? If so, I can't wait for time to move on so that MMX4 can take up that mantle in a few years maybe. <_<

Nah, MM2 beat MMX during the last Rivalry Week. MM3 just isn't as popular.

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Wow. I did not expect MGS2 to be even with MGS3 this late. Could've sworn MGS2 was the black sheep of the franchise while MGS3 was one of the favorites.

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Nah, MM2 beat MMX during the last Rivalry Week. MM3 just isn't as popular.

Ah, okay. That's what I get for only paying attention to this thread very intermittently, I suppose.

(I'm used to MM3 holding its own with MM2 in other communities I frequent.)

Most video game sequels that are similar to their originals are widely considered to be improvements anyway

I've never really gotten that impression, and I certainly don't second it myself. While there are sequels that are often considered to be superior to a similar original (DKC2 and Sonic 2 for instance, though I don't agree with either so I'm sure a lot of this is just me not being hugely enamoured of such games!), there are plenty of counterexamples (SMB2j, MMX2-3, untold numbers of Street Fighter games, etc.). And it feels like you get at best one such sequel before the general gaming population loses interest. I strongly suspect that a SMG3 designed in a similar fashion to SMG2 (even if just as good a game in isolation) would be a commercial failure.

I'm always weirded out how by many people care about hub worlds in 3D Marios, incidentally, and this goes for people on both side of the argument here!

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I generally don't care about hubworlds in Mario games, but when people talk about how they want big hubworlds, I think it's dumb.

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I don't want big hubworlds, I want well-designed ones like the ones in Mario 64 and the Banjo games

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There's a big difference between Banjo and Mario.

Mario is about platforming. A quick level selection is all you need.
Banjo is an adventure collect-a-thon. A neat world map works here.

I really hated the dumb balance between selecting the stars but having virtually no difference in the worlds that 64 and Sunshine did.
Why get warped out every time if the world was just gonna be tweaked?
I'd rather have completely new levels each time then just "run back up the same thing to get to the different part."

Guys, if today's results hold up, then not only will 3D Mario be 3 for 3 in victories against 2D Mario, but every inter-Mario (main platformers) matchup will feature the younger game winning.

Could it be because the anti-Mario gang is still in effect, and is thus voting for the "less iconic" Mario title? It certainly is working!

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From: LinkMarioSamus | #113
Guys, if today's results hold up

Seriously, LMS, shut up.

Quit blatantly disregarding what people tell you.

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Wow. I did not expect MGS2 to be even with MGS3 this late. Could've sworn MGS2 was the black sheep of the franchise while MGS3 was one of the favorites.

Really, Leon, if you're going to call people out for discussing results that aren't posted, at least be fair about it. >_>

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From: Janus5000 | #117
Wow. I did not expect MGS2 to be even with MGS3 this late. Could've sworn MGS2 was the black sheep of the franchise while MGS3 was one of the favorites.

Really, Leon, if you're going to call people out for discussing results that aren't posted, at least be fair about it. >_>

Darn it, Janus, quit quoting posts talking about results that haven't been posted yet!

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I'd agree if you could stop him, but, well, he's going to keep posting nonsense!

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MGS2 is in fact, the best game in the series, so...

pjbasis is, in fact, incorrect as usual, so...

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LeonhartFour posted...
From: Janus5000 | #117
Wow. I did not expect MGS2 to be even with MGS3 this late. Could've sworn MGS2 was the black sheep of the franchise while MGS3 was one of the favorites.

Really, Leon, if you're going to call people out for discussing results that aren't posted, at least be fair about it. >_>
Darn it, Janus, quit quoting posts talking about results that haven't been posted yet!

This is why I thought it would be okay if I discussed ongoing matches - because someone else did so.

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I feel like everytime someone mentions a game beating another game currently it somehow jinxes the game from winning.

And... really, if your bottom 5 has Galaxy 2 or LTTP you clearly haven't played enough bad games.

Mine is like...

Mario Is Missing
Shaq-Fu
That one Universal Studios game I got as a gift from a relative. (Think it was for Gamecube or PS2, can't remember)
Hey You Pikachu
TMNT Turtles in Time Reshelled

Something like that.

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Man, Mario's Time Machine is worse than Mario is Missing!

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I haven't played Mario's Time Machine though!

I actually thought it was going to be good! Because it was Mario and stuff!

...Yeah!

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Somewhere I heard that Mario is Missing was supposed to be a sequel to Super Mario World.

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Heh, yeah, now that I think about it, I have played worse, likewise games that were hyped up as being supposedly good. Something about Gunstar Heroes--I don't think it's the same one that's in this competition, though--this one's the original, right? I don't have an opinion about the original, never played it, but I got the GBA sequel and absolutely hated it.

And what are you talking about Hey You Pikachu was awesome.

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From: VeryInsane | #123
Mine is like...

Mario Is Missing
Shaq-Fu
That one Universal Studios game I got as a gift from a relative. (Think it was for Gamecube or PS2, can't remember)
Hey You Pikachu
TMNT Turtles in Time Reshelled

Something like that.

Really now. That has to be one of the least terrible set of bad games I've seen. At least they're playable; you really can't know bad until you play games like Bomberman Kart, Crystal Monsters, Sonic Drift and other true gems.

Really now. That has to be one of the least terrible set of bad games I've seen. At least they're playable; you really can't know bad until you play games like Bomberman Kart, Crystal Monsters, Sonic Drift and other true gems.

Well, I don't normally hunt for bad games. I just got the majority of them before I knew about the internet and how they played by mouth.

Except for TMNT Reshelled. Maybe I'm overreacting due to the fact that I loved the Arcade game and spent numerous quarters on it and hated the XBLA game, but... I really disliked the XBLA version.

Oh yeah, Sonic games made me forget about Sonic R. And a few random Atari games, one of which was that Pac-Man port that I played at a friend's house once when I was little. Doesn't really count though, because I barely remember it.

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Hmm...just looked at the schedule, and Path of Radiance could shoot up the RPI in the next couple of weeks--a couple of very winnable matches against games with only two losses apiece.

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DKC2 vs Yoshi's Island is an evil match

evil....

Yesterday's results:

#6 Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (Metroid Eater Conference) (10-0) – 25 (56.82%)
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (Games of the Decades Conference) (6-4) – 19 (43.18%)
--And MGS3 is the first to ten wins with a win over rival MGS2, although it wasn't easy. MGS2 has certainly earned some respect with its performances the last three weeks against three unbeaten games.

Disgaea: Hour of Darkness (Nintendo Objections Conference) (4-6) – 20 (52.63%)
Shadow Hearts (Cult RPG Galaxy Conference) (5-5) – 18 (47.37%)
--Disgaea edges out Shadow Hearts in a battle of PS2 RPGs.

Kingdom Hearts (Zelda Overload Conference) (5-5) – 18 (37.50%)
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 (Smackdown Hotel Conference) (8-2) – 30 (62.50%)
--After a 5-1 start, KH1 has now lost 4 in a row to drop down to .500.

#16 Super Mario Galaxy (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (9-1) – 25 (53.19%)
#8 Super Mario World (Thousand-Year World of Sunshine Conference) (8-2) – 22 (46.81%)
--It's good to know that Board 8 can occasionally get a Mario match right.

Resident Evil 2 (Smash Trigger Conference) (2-8) – 20 (48.78%)
Silent Hill 2 (Fanservice Conference) (7-3) – 21 (51.22%)
--SH2 narrowly gets the win over RE2.

Battletoads (Brawl for Broke Conference) (1-9) – 12 (28.57%)
Contra (Games of the Decades Conference) (5-5) – 30 (71.43%)
--Contra slaughters Battletoads in a battle of NES games to get up to a .500 record.

Final Fantasy VIII (Games of the Decades Conference) (6-4) – 17 (36.17%)
Final Fantasy VII (Fanservice Conference) (8-2) – 30 (63.83%)
--FFVII wins the battle of PS1 FF games.

Jet Force Gemini (Smash Trigger Conference) (3-7) – 26 (76.47%)
flower (Smackdown Hotel Conference) (1-9) – 8 (23.53%)
--JFG gets an easy win over flower.

Tales of Vesperia (Brawl for Broke Conference) (7-3) – 28 (68.29%)
Lunar: Silver Star Story (Tanooki Blitzball Conference) (6-4) – 13 (31.71%)
--Vesperia has no problems beating Lunar.

Star Ocean: The Second Story (Smash Trigger Conference) (2-8) – 15 (39.47%)
Ogre Battle 64 (Cult RPG Galaxy Conference) (2-8) – 23 (60.53%)
--Ogre Battle 64 picks up its second win against the Second Story.

Nier (Tanooki Blitzball Conference) (1-9) – 17 (51.52%)
Wild ARMs (Fanservice Conference) (0-10) – 16 (48.48%)
--In a riveting battle of winless games, Nier wins by a single vote, making Wild ARMs the first to 10 losses.

Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo (Smash Trigger Conference) (0-10) – 15 (42.86%)
Street Fighter Alpha 3 (Brawl for Broke Conference) (1-9) – 20 (57.14%)
--And now it's also joined by Puzzle Fighter, which lost the battle of Street Fighter games against Alpha 3.

Legend of Legaia (Thousand-Year World of Sunshine Conference) (1-9) – 9 (25.00%)
Viewtiful Joe (Brawl for Broke Conference) (5-5) – 27 (75.00%)
--Viewtiful Joe gets up to .500 with a tripling of Legaia.

Super Mario Sunshine (Thousand-Year World of Sunshine Conference) (4-6) – 13 (27.66%)
#15 Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Cult RPG Galaxy Conference) (9-1) – 34 (72.34%)
--The Galaxy games make a clean sweep today.

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From: pjbasis | #131
DKC2 vs Yoshi's Island is an evil match

evil....

It's only evil if the inferior game wins.

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Whoa, Galaxy beat SMW? So, that's the first of our elite games to lose to a non-elite game.

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From: red sox 777 | #135
Whoa, Galaxy beat SMW? So, that's the first of our elite games to lose to a non-elite game.

Assuming the Galaxy games are not elite, of course.

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Well, FFVI > SMW2 > SMW, so.....

Then again, the RPI likes the Galaxy games, and stats never lie.

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FFVI is pretty strong itself, that performance against R/B/Y notwithstanding.

And if lefty is to be believed (heh), Galaxy 1 > Galaxy 2 indirectly anyway!

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Also, FFVI beat Galaxy 2, not Yoshi's Island.

FFX beat Yoshi's Island.

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Hey, Mario World just took out an undefeated game last week...!

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Galaxy 1 > Galaxy 2 indirectly sounds good to me. I'll probably drop SMW a fair ways after this though, as it doesn't have wins against elite games except for PW, which is arguably not an elite.

Whoops, I wrote Galaxy and Galaxy 2 as SMW and SMW2.

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Yeah, Galaxy 1 has been looking awesome lately. If it hadn't lost to Galaxy 2, it would probably be threatening for a top 5 spot by now.

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RPI


1. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (1)
2. Chrono Trigger (2)
3. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (3)
4. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (4)
5. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (5)
6. Super Mario Galaxy (8)
7. Super Mario 64 (6)
8. Resident Evil 4 (7)
9. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (9)
10. Super Mario Bros. 3 (10)
11. Final Fantasy IX (11)
12. Metal Gear Solid (12)
13. Final Fantasy X (14)
14. Super Metroid (13)
15. Final Fantasy VI (15)
16. Mega Man 2 (16)
17. Portal (18)
18. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (19)
19. Batman: Arkham Asylum (20)
20. Metroid Prime (21)
21. Super Smash Bros. Melee (22)
22. Paper Mario (23)
23. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (24)
24. Super Mario World (17)
25. Star Fox 64 (25)
Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (26)
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (27)
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (28)
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (29)
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (30)

Galaxy up, World down. The big moves were off the board:

40. FFVII (50)
44. Persona 4 (51)
48. MGS2 (37)
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66. FFVIII (58)

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And the two Galaxy games take their rightful place as the two highest rated Mario games in the RPI.

Well done.

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Hmm...A lot of upsets brewing. Unfortunately, despite getting off to like a 7-2 lead or something, Wind Waker over Prime no longer seems to be one of them!

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Anyone that likes Galaxy more than SMW has poor taste in games.

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From: TsunamiXXVIII | #145
Hmm...A lot of upsets brewing. Unfortunately, despite getting off to like a 7-2 lead or something, Wind Waker over Prime no longer seems to be one of them!

Dude, knock it off.

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WW over Prime wouldn't be much of an upset, if it was at all. That game is deceptively strong in this contest.

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The Real Truth posted...
Anyone that likes Galaxy more than SMW has poor taste in games.

Either you're joking, you're insane, or you're seriously tainted by nostalgia.

World is my least favorite of the big five, and pretty easily too.

SMB3 > SMG2 >= SMG1 > SM64 > SMW

All five are in my personal top 15 though and all among my all-time favorites, but still.

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BioShock vs Portal?

Dammit you people are evil!

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