Board 8 > ok, when does the EPL start and who should I root for?

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Iamdead7
07/10/11 11:20:00 AM
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I'm going to make an honest attempt to get into Soccer, and the EPL seems like a good place to go for when there's no USA to root for

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Sir Cobain
07/10/11 11:21:00 AM
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swansea

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Dr_Football
07/10/11 11:22:00 AM
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Everton, Tim Howard is the goalkeeper there

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XIII_rocks
07/10/11 11:23:00 AM
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Tottenham because we're good without being insufferable c***s, you wouldn't be considered a glory-hunting typical foreign fan (like ExTha LOL) for supporting Spurs but there wouldn't be much danger of relegation

Also we play very nice, attractive football at times and we're not just buying every player in sight "just because we've got the money to do it" like Real Madrid/Chelsea/Man City

Oh and it starts in mid-August, can't remember the date

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XIII_rocks
07/10/11 11:23:00 AM
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Also big Brad Friedel just signed for us

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Iamdead7
07/10/11 11:24:00 AM
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You're forgetting, I don't know who any of these people are.

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XIII_rocks
07/10/11 11:24:00 AM
#7:


Also this seems an ample time to promote my football blog, go go go:

http://coxinthebox.blogspot.com/

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Highwind89
07/10/11 11:24:00 AM
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XIII_rocks posted...
Also big Brad Friedel just signed for us

Seriously? Brad Friedel is the ****ing man.
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Highwind89
07/10/11 11:25:00 AM
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Also, just research all the teams and choose one you think you would enjoy following the most.
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XIII_rocks
07/10/11 11:25:00 AM
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Iamdead7 posted...
You're forgetting, I don't know who any of these people are.

Brad Friedel is like legendary for you guys afaik.

He played 82 games for the United States national team between 1992 and 2005, and represented his country at three FIFA World Cup tournaments. He is the current holder of the Premier League record for most consecutive appearances with 275 (as of 22 May 2011).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Friedel

Tim Howard cannot compare

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Iamdead7
07/10/11 11:26:00 AM
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I don't know how to research them because I know f*** all about Soccer

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ExThaNemesis
07/10/11 11:26:00 AM
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Tottenham because we're good without being insufferable c***s,

Don't listen to this man. Tottenham are in fact chock-full of insufferable c***s.

Support Arsenal. You can't be accused of gloryhunting because we don't win anything, but we play the best football in the country, and have a real cast of characters on our team. Also, on our day we can beat anyone. We just had a Champions League final between Man United and Barcelona, and there's only one team in the world that had beaten both of them last year. That was Arsenal.

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XIII_rocks
07/10/11 11:27:00 AM
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Iamdead7 posted...
I don't know how to research them because I know f*** all about Soccer

I'll save you the time.



Support us kthx.

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ExThaNemesis
07/10/11 11:27:00 AM
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Also EPL begins on August 13th.

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the icon ownz all
07/10/11 11:27:00 AM
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newcastle

they, uh, have nice home kits


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XIII_rocks
07/10/11 11:28:00 AM
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You can't be accused of gloryhunting because we don't win anything

Literally suggesting this.

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XIII_rocks
07/10/11 11:30:00 AM
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Seriously lmao at the idea that supporting Arsenal wouldn't be glory hunting just because they haven't won anything in 5 years

Do you have any idea how long some clubs have gone without winning anything? >_>

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ExThaNemesis
07/10/11 11:30:00 AM
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This is all you need in order to watch Arsenal.

Sp*rs won't create a moment like that in their entire history. :)

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Dr_Football
07/10/11 11:31:00 AM
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Don't pick a good team

Unless you happen to be a Yankees/Duke kind of guy

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ExThaNemesis
07/10/11 11:32:00 AM
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Yeah you can only have fun watching sports if the teams you support are terrible.

If that's your mentality, then by all means support Sp*rs. :)

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XIII_rocks
07/10/11 11:33:00 AM
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...you lost that tie, lmfao



Just saying

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Iamdead7
07/10/11 11:33:00 AM
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I'm not a Yankees/Duke kind of guy, but the team I root for will have to be somewhat good or I'll lose interest rapidly

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ExThaNemesis
07/10/11 11:34:00 AM
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From: XIII_rocks | #021
...you lost that tie, lmfao



Just saying


we did a fair measure better than you lot against the big spanish teams.



Just saying

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Dr_Football
07/10/11 11:34:00 AM
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In all seriousness, I think its very easy to follow the EPL without having a team to root for

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ExThaNemesis
07/10/11 11:36:00 AM
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From: Dr_Football | #024
In all seriousness, I think its very easy to follow the EPL without having a team to root for


You need Fox Soccer to do it in this country in my opinion.

I mean, I see probably 50+ matches a year and that's just Arsenal. It's probably well over 70 with all the football programming I have access to.

But then again few people are as obsessed about the sport as I am. >.>

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ExThaNemesis
07/10/11 11:40:00 AM
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Make no mistake, people who support Arsenal are considered glory hunters/bandwagoners.

Only by idiots with large inferiority complexes.

Trust me, as long as you're not with United/Chelsea/City, no one is going to call you a glory hunter. No one that matters, anyways.

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XIII_rocks
07/10/11 11:42:00 AM
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Iamdead7 posted...
I'm not a Yankees/Duke kind of guy, but the team I root for will have to be somewhat good or I'll lose interest rapidly

You do sound exactly like a Tottenham fan tbqh

Make no mistake, people who support Arsenal are considered glory hunters/bandwagoners. Mostly because in 2004 they won the league without losing the game for only the second time in the history of English football, and they are very often in the league title picture towards the end of the season and go deep into trophies.

ExTha saying they "never win anything" is very misleading. Some teams go decades without winning anything, Arsenal going 5 years without one isn't some devastating winless streak

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ExThaNemesis
07/10/11 11:42:00 AM
#28:


And honestly people that jump to the whole 'glory hunter/bandwagoner' thing don't matter in the first place. They're usually the bad sports fans who can't actually argue so they have to default back to that.

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XIII_rocks
07/10/11 11:43:00 AM
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Supporting anyone in the old "top 4" (Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man Utd) as well as Man City is considered gloryhunting, Ex.

No offence but that's just indicative of how long you've been following the sport >_>

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Dr_Football
07/10/11 11:44:00 AM
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I still think you should root for a team with an American who plays regularly on it, like Everton or Fulham

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XIII_rocks
07/10/11 11:44:00 AM
#31:


People don't like gloryhunters because they want all the smooth and none of the rough, ExTha. I thought that was obvious and well-established

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XIII_rocks
07/10/11 11:45:00 AM
#32:


Dr_Football posted...
I still think you should root for a team with an American who plays regularly on it, like Everton or Fulham

All things considered this isn't such a bad idea

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ExThaNemesis
07/10/11 11:46:00 AM
#33:


But yeah I can't advocate against rooting for Everton or Fulham. There's much worse that you could root for, and Howard/Dempsey are both hell'a awesome.

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ExThaNemesis
07/10/11 11:46:00 AM
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From: XIII_rocks | #029
Supporting anyone in the old "top 4" (Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man Utd) as well as Man City is considered gloryhunting, Ex.

No offence but that's just indicative of how long you've been following the sport >_>


once again, only by people who don't matter. Met an Everton supporter yesterday at my restaurant, his family was visiting some friends or something.

We talked for like a half hour and he kept turning and saying to his sons "This lad knows his football."

The people that jump to "bandwagoner" are the ones who don't know you, and want to discredit you without actually talking to you, OR they're deliberately trying to upset you like Swift does with me. They don't have an actual argument and they don't matter.

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XIII_rocks
07/10/11 11:49:00 AM
#35:


ExThaNemesis posted...
No offence but that's just indicative of how long you've been following the sport >_>
once again, only by people who don't matter. Met an Everton supporter yesterday at his restaurant, his family was visiting some friends or something.

We talked for like a half hour and he kept turning and saying to his sons "This lad knows his football."

The people that jump to "bandwagoner" are the ones who don't know you, and want to discredit you without actually talking to you, OR they're deliberately trying to upset you like Swift does with me. They don't have an actual argument and they don't matter.


You can be a gloryhunter while still knowing about the sport.

I have discussed this with you many times, and I consider you a gloryhunter/bandwagoner when it comes to football. It doesn't make you a bad person, it doesn't mean you know nothing about the game, but it's still there.

I think you're just a bit hypersensitive about this >_> You've been called a bandwagoner so often you are trying to pre-empt it by saying "DON'T LISTEN TO THOSE GUYS THEY DON'T MATTER"

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Ryo8889
07/10/11 11:50:00 AM
#36:


As long as it's not Chelsea, Man U, Tottenham, Stoke or Wigan:


ENJOY YOURSELF


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ExThaNemesis
07/10/11 11:51:00 AM
#37:


I'm saying they don't matter because if you let them matter then you get the situation on board 8 I've had to put up with for the past 4-5 years where idiots just say "hurr bandwagoner" and try to discredit everything you say even though you can argue circles around them.

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XIII_rocks
07/10/11 11:52:00 AM
#38:


I mean, just what you said earlier. "Supporting Arsenal can't be gloryhunting because we never win anything"

Do you not see why I am calling you out on this? Going trophyless since 2005 is not a bad thing in football. There are only 4 trophies available per season and you've got dozens of teams in competition with you.

However, being in the title hunt until the final ~5 games of the season and going deep into tournaments every time, having gone unbeaten for only the second time in English football history? Yeah...

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Iamdead7
07/10/11 11:52:00 AM
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I do like the American idea

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ExThaNemesis
07/10/11 11:52:00 AM
#40:


Also to try and say that Arsenal fans want all of the smooth with none of the rough is so hysterical. Just look at the f***ing Carling Cup final this year lol

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ExThaNemesis
07/10/11 11:53:00 AM
#41:



Do you not see why I am calling you out on this? Going trophyless since 2005 is not a bad thing in football. There are only 4 trophies available per season and you've got dozens of teams in competition with you.

However, being in the title hunt until the final ~5 games of the season and going deep into tournaments every time, having gone unbeaten for only the second time in English football history? Yeah...


Well I've only been following since 2006. The first full Arsenal game I watched was Paris, so you can understand my sentiment.

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XIII_rocks
07/10/11 11:54:00 AM
#42:


ExThaNemesis posted...
I'm saying they don't matter because if you let them matter then you get the situation on board 8 I've had to put up with for the past 4-5 years where idiots just say "hurr bandwagoner" and try to discredit everything you say even though you can argue circles around them.

Being a bandwagoner gives everyone a headstart though.

The vast majority of people over here would instantly look at you and think "jesus christ that guy is short". Then they'd think "Hmm, an American Arsenal fan? Glory hunter." And you still would be even after you argued circles around them. Your knowledge about the sport doesn't change that, it just means you got more into it than your average casual douchebag.

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ExThaNemesis
07/10/11 11:57:00 AM
#43:


"Hmm, an American Arsenal fan? Glory hunter."

And they just wouldn't matter to me until they actually started talking to me, saw that I could argue circles around them, and then got like you where you actually take me quite seriously when it comes to football because I know my s***.

At least for an American anyway.

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Princess Anri
07/10/11 11:57:00 AM
#44:


From: Iamdead7 | #039
I do like the American idea


Then go with Everton.

Tim Howard is the f***ing man.

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XIII_rocks
07/10/11 11:57:00 AM
#45:


ExThaNemesis posted...
Also to try and say that Arsenal fans want all of the smooth with none of the rough is so hysterical. Just look at the f***ing Carling Cup final this year lol

More like gloryhunters in general

Also, that's what they want, not necessarily what happens. I'm sure the legions of people who started supporting Chelsea after they were taken over by Abramovich thought they'd be able to casually support them and smugly enjoy them winning the league every year, but they have not dominated the game in the way they were "expected" to. These people wanted all the smooth and none of the rough, but that's not what they got.

There's no give and take. For example, getting into the CL was made that much sweeter by "lasagnagate", for instance.

Well I've only been following since 2006. The first full Arsenal game I watched was Paris, so you can understand my sentiment.

I understand it, definitely, but in my view you lack perspective. In a big, big way.

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ExThaNemesis
07/10/11 12:06:00 PM
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I don't lack perspective. I know what it's like to cheer for futile teams.

I mean I can understand how people would think Arsenal fans would be gloryhunters, if that's what you're saying that I'm missing. I'm just countering by saying that they don't matter. No one who shouts "gloryhunter" in a serious manner does.

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XIII_rocks
07/10/11 12:09:00 PM
#47:


How can you just say "they don't matter"? o_O

Do you not understand what is wrong with gloryhunters?

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voltch
07/10/11 12:09:00 PM
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Chelsea, cos they're my team :)

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XIII_rocks
07/10/11 12:10:00 PM
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Like, HOW do they not matter? That doesn't make any sense.

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voltch
07/10/11 12:12:00 PM
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The chelsea ranieri days :(

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