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GuessMyUserName 06/26/11 6:35:00 PM #51: |
From: HeroDelTiempo17 | Posted: 6/26/2011 8:47:32 PM | #049 wtf is this ToS2's battle system was its biggest highlight definitely my favourite battle system of all Tales I've played, and Emil and Marta are very fun characters to play as - Emil especially, my absolute #1 favourite character to play as, gameplay-wise. -- http://img.imgcake.com/GuessMyUserName/senkagura5mu.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 06/26/11 6:38:00 PM #52: |
From: GuessMyUserName | #051 I think that's a bigger condemnation of the game than a compliment. -- http://img.imgcake.com/leonpngpe.png http://img.imgcake.com/squalloweenpngem.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Icehawk 06/26/11 6:39:00 PM #53: |
ph so this is why that Monado thing keeps showing up on my amazon!
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HeroDelTiempo17 06/26/11 6:41:00 PM #54: |
Gross, it felt like a beta version of TotA. Emil was clunky and slightly awkward to me. I didn't really try playing as Marta but I didn't feel compelled to learn how to play her anyways. The returning cast members they barely tried with. Again, this is coming off of Tales of Vesperia, which had some really cool characters to play as, but I still maintain that it didn't even reach Symphonia's level in that aspect.
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Lightning Strikes 06/26/11 6:42:00 PM #55: |
I found the battle system fine myself.
And really, okay, Emil was pretty unbearable for a lot of the game, but if we hated on every game that has a crappy protagonist for that alone, where would that get us? Hell, how would post-SNES Final Fantasy even exist? Icehawk posted... ph so this is why that Monado thing keeps showing up on my amazon! You know what to do. -- Something something something ^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 06/26/11 6:43:00 PM #56: |
From: Lightning Strikes | #055 FFXII would be in trouble, but the rest would be golden! -- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Icehawk 06/26/11 6:44:00 PM #57: |
You know what to do. absolutely nothing, it's all your faults for going with Nintendo once again! -- omg did u red text from last night dats so me LMAO : ) im not a slut i jus liek 2 haev fun LOL : ) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 06/26/11 6:44:00 PM #58: |
Lloyd=Yuri>>who plays as anyone else in Tales games
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Lightning Strikes 06/26/11 6:44:00 PM #59: |
Oh please
Vaan was bad But others are so much worse. Figures that the only non-whiny git is from the retro throwback. But let's keep this to Xenoblade, shall we? -- Something something something ^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 06/26/11 6:45:00 PM #60: |
From: Lightning Strikes | #059 No, they're pretty much all excellent across the board. But yeah, Xenoblade. -- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gif http://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 06/26/11 6:45:00 PM #61: |
Zidane, Tidus, Cloud, and Squall are all fine-great protagonists. Not sure why people complain about them.
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Lightning Strikes 06/26/11 6:47:00 PM #62: |
Icehawk posted...
You know what to do. absolutely nothing, it's all your faults for going with Nintendo once again! "going with Nintendo" I go with games that are good myself Hell, I'll be getting the game either way, so looks like I made the right choice eh? Europe. Feels good man. -- Something something something ^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GuessMyUserName 06/26/11 6:47:00 PM #63: |
I'd definitely say the ToS1 cast is incredibly clunky - that's my main flaw on the game. ToS1 cast was handled horrribly in regards to gameplay (not in regards to personality though, that's fine). I mean not only is there the level-up caps and stuff so they don't feel like "real" playable characters, but the way the played was really bad.
However, Emil is A++++ awesome to play as, and Marta is very fun as well. -- http://img.imgcake.com/GuessMyUserName/mask_salesman_rage.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blulum 06/27/11 10:39:00 AM #64: |
Possible good news
@RichIGN Rich Nintendo will have a comment on @OpRainfall "Missing Wii games" movement later today. Stay tuned to @IGN and well have it for you. #myign -- I desperately want to be a part of the B8 hierarchy-BlAcK TuRtLe ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GTM 06/27/11 11:00:00 AM #65: |
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GuessMyUserName 06/27/11 11:52:00 AM #66: |
From: Blulum | Posted: 6/27/2011 1:39:40 PM | #064 oh god oh god oh god -- SegMlCassieIsAmazingjhsux~>[64T2jampXDpikaness is awesome!8forgaMike RSmurf is too! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Theon_Greyjoy 06/27/11 11:54:00 AM #67: |
That makes me think it's either bad news, or more question dodging. Would they really make an announcement via IGN?
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Blulum 06/27/11 11:57:00 AM #68: |
Doesn't necessarily mean they're making an announcement via IGN, just that if there is an announcement, IGN got the story before anyone else did
I am aware that it could be bad news too, but I'd rather get the bad news quickly rather than silence. If the game isn't localized, I'll just hack my Wii so I can play the PAL version. -- I desperately want to be a part of the B8 hierarchy-BlAcK TuRtLe ... Copied to Clipboard!
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swirIdude 06/27/11 12:54:00 PM #69: |
I had no interest in Xenoblade before this, but if buying it would convince Nintendo to keep giving us games we actually want, I can consider buying it.
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GuessMyUserName 06/27/11 12:56:00 PM #70: |
definitely is the case
Nintendo of America won't give us anything if they don't think they can get money for it. ;_; fatal frame -- SegMlCassieIsAmazingjhsux~>[64T2jampXDpikaness is awesome!8forgaMike RSmurf is too! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Liquid Wind 06/27/11 1:28:00 PM #71: |
I hadn't really heard too much about xenoblade before, but after looking into it I am very interested, it appears to have a much better design philosophy than the other xeno games did(lol convoluted battle system and cutscenes that make MGS look short). really sad that NoA has second thoughts about localizing it just because a lot of other JRPGs in the past 10 years have been terrible
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transients 06/27/11 1:34:00 PM #72: |
I kind of feel weird about this Xenoblade thing. I've been excited for it for a while -- and played a bit of the Japanese version and know that it's good -- but it's kind of morphed into this crusade against Nintendo. it's cool that it's getting the exposure but I get the sense a lot of people are in it because of Nintendo's crappy business practices and not because they legitimately care about Xenoblade. Xenoblade, cool as it is, is not a #1 on Amazon kind of game. I kind of feel bad for Nintendo if they listen to all this internet buzz, localize it and then watch as it struggles to sell 100,000 units.
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Liquid Wind 06/27/11 1:40:00 PM #73: |
I wouldn't feel bad for them because of aforementioned business practices, but you're definitely right that a lot of it goes way beyond people just wanting these games. that's what initially got me interested in it, but I have come to have a real interest in xenoblade...still not all that interested in last story or pandora's tower.
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Liquid Wind 06/27/11 1:44:00 PM #74: |
I think it could sell pretty decently if handled right though, wii owners are starved for good games, there is pretty much nothing scheduled for 2012 except kirby. in addition to that, this campaign itself is a kind of viral marketing, as I said, I hadn't really payed attention to this game previously and thought it was going to be more like xenosaga which doesn't interest me much
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transients 06/27/11 1:44:00 PM #75: |
if the end result is Nintendo having high sales expectations and the game bombing relative to those expectations, this will be a one-and-done "see, I told you so" from Nintendo to fans. I just don't want to see Xenoblade be seen as a failure.
this is probably because it's already coming out in Europe and anybody can get their Wii to play Europe games. I actually think a much more effective strategy is to hack your Wii and then import the European version. if people speak with their money and reward NoE for doing great stuff, that will have a much better impact than people backing a cause that's destined to fail. I don't think people are looking to play core Wii games in 2011 and 2012. it's a smart business move to let this one go (though sucky for fans). -- zizzy DR. FOOTBALL FACTOR AUGH ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KingButz 06/27/11 1:48:00 PM #76: |
I have 3 Wii games in my library(not counting Wii tech demo). If Xenoblade hits NA, I will finally have a 4th game for it.
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transients 06/27/11 2:23:00 PM #77: |
http://www.nintendo.co.uk/NOE/en_GB/news/iwata/iwata_asks_xenoblade_chronicles_32883_33122.html#top
NOE's just trolling NOA at this point also, Monolithsoft should realize they're working with an inferior system graphically and stop focusing on faces so much. it makes the product look so last-gen. -- zizzy DR. FOOTBALL FACTOR AUGH ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZFS 06/27/11 2:28:00 PM #78: |
If Nintendo is going to release Xenoblade in America, I would hope that it would come with marketing. It should be able to sell a lot more than 100k, I would think.
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transients 06/27/11 2:31:00 PM #79: |
what are you expecting? Nintendo put a ton of muscle into DQ9, a very well-known IP and huge DS game, and it did like 300k. Xenoblade has nothing on that one and is on a system that is well-known for having traditional games bomb.
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Liquid Wind 06/27/11 2:34:00 PM #80: |
is DQ that popular in the states? I've never gotten the impression that it was a major franchise here even though I'm aware it's crazy popular in japan
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transients 06/27/11 2:35:00 PM #81: |
it's more popular than Xenoblade (or Xenosaga), at the very least
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ZFS 06/27/11 2:37:00 PM #82: |
DQ9 sold over a million copies between America and Europe. That might be one of the top selling RPGs on the DS, outside of Pokemon, in the West. I'd considered that pretty good.
Xenoblade should be able to do 400k, if they market it right and give it the proper attention leading up to its release. You can't ignore the game until a month before it comes out, then release a trailer or an interview, and expect people to notice. That works with Mario, but they'll have to put some effort into it to get the reward. That they seemingly had no interest in it before this Amazon thing makes that kinda unlikely, though. -- Knowledge is the eye of desire and can become the pilot of the soul. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Liquid Wind 06/27/11 2:38:00 PM #83: |
obviously, this is a new franchise, and xenosaga is pretty much the conglomeration of everything that's gone wrong with JRPs in the past decade. that shouldn't surprise anyone. though I don't like the name monado much keeping that name may actually be a smart choice instead of associating it with xenosaga
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Senjougaharaism 06/27/11 2:42:00 PM #84: |
honestly if america will somehow still not get this, I might just pick it up just to spite you guys.
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HeroDelTiempo17 06/27/11 2:45:00 PM #85: |
Is 300k really that terrible? You would think that that would at least qualify it as "worth releasing"
I mean IIRC Persona 4 sold around that amount in America and it's considered Atlus's biggest success! It's not much to a bigger company like Nintendo, but if anything the fact that they're so much bigger and have so much more resources should encourage them, not be a deterrent. -- You have no time to ponder such questions, as Link has just grabbed a Smash Ball. http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KingButz 06/27/11 2:49:00 PM #86: |
i can see Xenoblade getting between 200-1000k, depending on how Nintendo markets it. I know it's second party, but if Nintendo markets it with their name on it, the ninty diehards will bite.
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KamikazePotato 06/27/11 2:51:00 PM #87: |
Considering that Europe is already translating it how much does it need to sell to turn a profit? 100k would be fine.
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Theon_Greyjoy 06/27/11 2:52:00 PM #88: |
Do you think Reggie would be okay with selling a game with British accents? How often does this happen?
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ZFS 06/27/11 2:56:00 PM #89: |
100k would probably justify Nintendo's original decision to ignore the game, and backup the idea that the market in America no longer wants JRPGs. No reason this should be sub-Tales level; it's not nearly as niche in its design.
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Jeff Zero 06/27/11 2:56:00 PM #90: |
Theon_Greyjoy posted...
Do you think Reggie would be okay with selling a game with British accents? How often does this happen? THINE BODY RESTS PREPARED -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kotetsu534 06/27/11 2:56:00 PM #91: |
One of the bad things about some games/series frequently selling mega multi-millions (CoD, 2D Mario, Mario Kart, Wii Fit etc.) is that there is far less reason for the big three to care about games that are likely to sell <1M, unless they can be delivered online. As gaming gets bigger and bigger, it also seems to allow for less variety in retail releases.
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HeroDelTiempo17 06/27/11 2:57:00 PM #92: |
Yeah that's also the thing.
With it coming out in Europe in English, they're basically saying that sales wouldn't even make up the cost of distributing the game in America. That just seems stupid. EDIT: I mean obviously it would have to be localized a bit further going from EU to NA, but I'm honestly not sure what that even entails or how much it costs -- You have no time to ponder such questions, as Link has just grabbed a Smash Ball. http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jeff Zero 06/27/11 2:59:00 PM #93: |
Kotetsu534 posted...
One of the bad things about some games/series frequently selling mega multi-millions (CoD, 2D Mario, Mario Kart, Wii Fit etc.) is that there is far less reason for the big three to care about games that are likely to sell <1M, unless they can be delivered online. As gaming gets bigger and bigger, it also seems to allow for less variety in retail releases. That's the bad thing and since a lot of the biggest sellers don't interest me in the least, from a personal perspective it's terrible. There's less room for variety and when there is variety it's labeled as "indie" and created as such because nowadays that's all that will allow for such innovation. It's not going to sell because it isn't Call of Duty or Mario and that's the end of that. ...or you could get some half-assed DS remake and smile about it. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HeroDelTiempo17 06/27/11 3:00:00 PM #94: |
From: Kotetsu534 | #092 I'm no businessman, but why would a company turn down a chance to make any sort of profit? Even if they only make a small profit off Xenoblade compared to what Mario gets them, it would still be more than if they didn't release it at all. -- You have no time to ponder such questions, as Link has just grabbed a Smash Ball. http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZFS 06/27/11 3:01:00 PM #95: |
That speaks more to Nintendo's reluctance to try than anything. Their 20-year old franchises make them millions, so why make something new? If you have a cool idea, just make it work with Mario so it'll sell. Shame they don't bother putting the money they make into creating another multi-million selling franchise. We've seen numerous new series pop up this gen, all different from one another.
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Liquid Wind 06/27/11 3:10:00 PM #96: |
One of the bad things about some games/series frequently selling mega multi-millions (CoD, 2D Mario, Mario Kart, Wii Fit etc.) is that there is far less reason for the big three to care about games that are likely to sell <1M, unless they can be delivered online. As gaming gets bigger and bigger, it also seems to allow for less variety in retail releases.
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transients 06/27/11 3:14:00 PM #97: |
Xenoblade could sell a million copies? y'all are crazy. if this could sell 300k, that would be a huge success.
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ZFS 06/27/11 3:24:00 PM #98: |
I don't think anyone said a million copies. It obviously wouldn't do that well, especially at this point in the Wii's life.
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Liquid Wind 06/27/11 3:25:00 PM #99: |
xenoblade has fallen to #3 on amazon, proving once again, that call of duty is a cancerous plague to everything good in the world.
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Liquid Wind 06/27/11 3:29:00 PM #100: |
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