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Princess Anri
06/16/11 10:25:00 AM
#1:


Nadal has completed the ol' French-Wimbledon back-to-back feat twice before. He shall do it again to claim his Eleventh Major Title and become the undisputed God of Tennis.

He has been in the final of Wimbledon 4 of the last 5 years, winning the title in his last two attempts (the only blemish being in 2009 when he did not compete due to injury).

The rest of the field is competing for second place and I wish them the best.

Just for fun, a quick look at the best resume a 25 year old tennis player has ever had:

Australian Open Titles: 1
French Open Titles: 6 (tied with Borg for most all time)
Wimbledon Titles: 2 (very soon to be 3)
US Open Titles: 1
Masters 1000 Series Titles: 19 (most all time)
Best Player of All Time Titles: 1


Chances Roddick Has Left: 0

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The Mana Sword
06/16/11 10:27:00 AM
#2:


Rafael Nadal Wins Wimbledon [lol not really]

Seems about right.

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Princess Anri
06/16/11 10:29:00 AM
#3:


He has won it the last two times he's tried.

Federer is the only man to stop him in the last five years.

I know you're bitter that Roddick apparently turned 50 overnight but let's not take it out on Our Savior.

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Princess Anri
06/16/11 10:30:00 AM
#4:


Also, well played.

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The Mana Sword
06/16/11 10:30:00 AM
#5:


I still believe in The Djokovic.

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The Mana Sword
06/16/11 10:32:00 AM
#6:


Also Sharapova better not blow this. A gimped pair of Williamses are literally her only competition this year.

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Princess Anri
06/16/11 10:32:00 AM
#7:


I'd love to see a Djokovic/Nadal final but he's gonna get scared again and lose to Federer in the semis.

The draw isn't even out but it's pretty obvious.

As obvious as Murray making it to the quarterfinals and building up a lot of momentum/hype before self destructing.

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Princess Anri
06/16/11 10:33:00 AM
#8:


From: The Mana Sword | #006
Also Sharapova better not blow this.


I will never get my hopes up again.

And hopefully one day she'll surprise me.

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Princess Anri
06/16/11 10:39:00 AM
#9:


If I get a teaching job this semester, I am going to Wimbledon next year.

I'll have the whole summer off and I'll have plenty of time to save money.

Nadal will be going for his fifteenth major at that point.

So I suppose I'll have to go to the US Open to see him tie Federer.

And then Australia to see him break the record and cement his legacy.

And then Paris just to complete the Anri Rafa Slam.

What a year it will be.

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Pokewars
06/16/11 10:45:00 AM
#10:


Princess Anri posted...
I'd love to see a Djokovic/Nadal final but he's gonna get scared again and lose to Federer in the semis.

1st seed potentially faces 3rd seed at the semifinals, so Djokovic has a clearer path this year.

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Princess Anri
06/16/11 10:53:00 AM
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From: Pokewars | #010
1st seed potentially faces 3rd seed at the semifinals, so Djokovic has a clearer path this year.


Yeah, I know.

I said that the draw wasn't even out but this was what I was predicting.

And in tennis topics, you state your predictions as fact or they don't count.

Hopefully Federer is in Djokovic's half though. And Murray is in Nadal's so that Nadal beats Murray in the semis and either Fed or Djokovic will get to come in second.

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The Mana Sword
06/16/11 11:03:00 AM
#12:


Let's talk about how Nadal has to win to keep his #1 ranking.

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Pokewars
06/16/11 11:03:00 AM
#13:


http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/news/articles/2011-06-15/201106151308128657255.html

Draw isn't out, but the seeds are.

1. Nadal
2. Djokovic
3. Federer

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most_games_r_ok
06/16/11 11:12:00 AM
#14:


just couldn't include Murray for not being top 3 huh

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Pokewars
06/16/11 11:17:00 AM
#15:


Murray wasn't part of the conversation (nothing new for him :D)

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_Yonex_
06/16/11 11:21:00 AM
#16:


Back on the board again for this.

Murray fans representing once again! Come on you Scottish ****, don't fall flat on your face this time.

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Kotetsu534
06/16/11 11:22:00 AM
#17:


I've bet £5 each on Murray and Serena to win.

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junk_funk
06/16/11 11:32:00 AM
#18:


Federer >>> Nadal, period.

The only thing that brings Nadal even close to Federer's dominance is clay courts. 6/10 of his grand slams have been on clay. Federer won EVERYWHERE but clay (well once of course, hence the career grand slam). If there weren't clay courts, Nadal would be mediocre at best.

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Princess Anri
06/16/11 11:34:00 AM
#19:


From: junk_funk | #018
If there weren't clay courts, Nadal would be mediocre at best.


You are so wise.

Winning the Australian Open, the US Open, and Wimbledon twice would be mediocre.

If you took away Federer's racquet, he would just be a guy.

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The Mana Sword
06/16/11 11:35:00 AM
#20:


Give it up Anri, we all know Nadal is a chump.

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Princess Anri
06/16/11 11:39:00 AM
#21:


:( take away clay and all he has is more major titles than the top ten active players combined (not counting Federer).

So mediocre it hurts.

In fact, I am now in the process of drafting a petition that gets Nadal banned from the tour for being so dominant on clay and only mediocre everywhere else.

It's bad for the sport.

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junk_funk
06/16/11 11:59:00 AM
#22:


Federer is better. Simple as that.

Without clay, Nadal would have 4 major titles. Without Wimbledon (Fed's best), Federer would still have 10. Nadal is a beast on clay. That's all. He's good elsewhere, but he's far from any all time top ten lists just yet.

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Princess Anri
06/16/11 12:12:00 PM
#23:


From: junk_funk | #022
He's good elsewhere, but he's far from any all time top ten lists just yet.


Keep up the brilliant posts.

I think for the US Open I am going to make this topic on a hidden board so that we don't all look stupid when compared to your posts.

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junk_funk
06/16/11 12:12:00 PM
#24:


I will admit that if Nadal wasn't around, Fed would be runaway king of the sport. It's nice they have a rivalry. Hopefully, someone 5 years younger will step up when Nadal reaches 30ish and give him some good bouts.

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The Mana Sword
06/16/11 12:14:00 PM
#25:


Pretty sure someone 2 years younger is already doing that!

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Princess Anri
06/16/11 12:15:00 PM
#26:


If Fed wasn't around, Nadal would have two more Wimbledons.

But then you could make the argument that if you take away clay and grass that he's still just a chump with only two hard court major titles.

I honestly think Federer and Nadal are both overrated.

Take away all of their wins but one and they'd each only have one win.

Not very impressive.

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Princess Anri
06/16/11 12:16:00 PM
#27:


From: The Mana Sword | #025
Pretty sure someone 2 years younger is already doing that!


Take away hardcourts and Djokovic only has a few titles!

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The Mana Sword
06/16/11 12:18:00 PM
#28:


If Federer weren't around, Roddick would have like 7-8 Grand Slam titles ajhsgadjasghfldas

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Princess Anri
06/16/11 12:19:00 PM
#29:


If the net wasn't there, I think I could honestly have 15-20 Grand Slam titles.

Take away the lines and I might be invincible.

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junk_funk
06/16/11 12:25:00 PM
#30:


1. Federer
2. Sampras
3. Emerson
4. Borg
5. Lendl
6. Tilden
7. Agassi
8. Laver
9. Conners
10. Perry

All better than Nadal. He'll lose before the finals in Wimbledon this year.

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The Mana Sword
06/16/11 12:35:00 PM
#31:


That sure is a list of tennis players.

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junk_funk
06/16/11 12:37:00 PM
#32:


Nadal will never get to 16 grand slams. His tendonitis will screw him over before the next three years are up.

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Ryo8889
06/16/11 12:37:00 PM
#33:


Female tennis is only interesting with Belgian tennis players. sry guys.


And tennis overall is pretty boring lololol
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The Mana Sword
06/16/11 12:38:00 PM
#34:


Anri we will do this through PMs for the next tournament.

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junk_funk
06/16/11 12:41:00 PM
#35:


The Mana Sword posted...
Anri we will do this through PMs for the next tournament.

Good idea.

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Naye745
06/16/11 12:43:00 PM
#36:


i want more nadal-federer.

call me a chump or not a tennis fan, or whatever. screw djok and murray, another rafa-roger match would be the best possible outcome.

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colliding
06/16/11 12:47:00 PM
#37:


as much as I love Federer, I don't want to see Rafa/Fed in finals anymore. Rafa's just got his number, it's sad. I'd much rather see Djokovich/Nadal

I don't think Rafa will have more titles than Fed when it's all said and done, but I could be wrong.
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The Mana Sword
06/16/11 12:49:00 PM
#38:


I'm happy with either or. Fed/Nadal is great, Nadal/Djokovic is great, I'd love to see one of the new guys break through.

What I don't want to see is another complete mismatch like we had last year.

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Princess Anri
06/16/11 12:54:00 PM
#39:


From: The Mana Sword | #038
I'm happy with either or. Fed/Nadal is great, Nadal/Djokovic is great, I'd love to see one of the new guys break through.

What I don't want to see is another complete mismatch like we had last year.


Exactly this.

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_Yonex_
06/16/11 12:54:00 PM
#40:


Is it seeds 1&3 in one half or 1&4, or random?
I know for the French they did 1&4 in the same half, is it the same in every slam, I can't remember. Just wondering if there will actually be the possibility of a Nad/Fed final or semi-final.

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junk_funk
06/16/11 12:56:00 PM
#41:


I'd like to see Isner not get paired to Nadal in the first round. Poor guy.

But a Fed/Nadal final would be brilliant imo. Always great TV! They've given each other some epic Wimbledon matches before.

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Princess Anri
06/16/11 1:15:00 PM
#42:


From: _Yonex_ | #040
Is it seeds 1&3 in one half or 1&4, or random?
I know for the French they did 1&4 in the same half, is it the same in every slam, I can't remember. Just wondering if there will actually be the possibility of a Nad/Fed final or semi-final.


Pokewars seemed to be implying that 1 and 3 will be in the same half.

And I just checked and it has been that way for the past 5 Wimbledons.

DAMNIT.

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The Mana Sword
06/16/11 1:22:00 PM
#43:


It's random.

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Princess Anri
06/16/11 1:28:00 PM
#44:


That's what I thought.

Pokewars had me scared.

Let's hope Federer is in the bottom half and Murray is in the top.

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most_games_r_ok
06/16/11 3:05:00 PM
#45:


Murray gonna win at Wimbledon this year....in his dreams >_>

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Princess Anri
06/16/11 11:05:00 PM
#46:


I don't think Murray dreams that big yet.

For now, he dreams of winning a set in a Grand Slam Final.

Maybe one day he'll win two sets.

Never three.

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Pokewars
06/16/11 11:50:00 PM
#47:


Oh, it's random? Made me wonder why it's been that way for a few years. Carry on then.

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Axl_Rose_85
06/17/11 1:45:00 AM
#48:


Greatest of all Time
01. Roger Federer
02. Pete Sampras
03. Bjorn Borg
04. Rod Laver
05. Rafael Nadal

Best Player at the moment
01. Novak Djokovic
02. Rafael Nadal
03. Roger Federer
04. Andy Murray
05. Juan Martin Del Potro?

Best Player on Hard Court: Roger Federer, Pete Sampras, Andre Agassi
Best Player on Grass Court: Roger Federer, Pete Sampras, Mats Wilander, Bjorn Borg
Best Player on Clay Court: Rafael Nadal, Bjorn Borg, Guillermo Vilas

Best Player Ever has to go to Federer. During his prime, he was a beast. He even beat Nadal consistently (bar clay surfaces) in his prime which was 2004-2007. From '08 his decline started. Even then he has posted like what 20 something consecutive semi-finals in Majors.
Heck people even lost count of his consecutive quarter-final appearances.

Federer's records
- 16 Grand Slams
- 20+ consecutive Semi-Finals in Grand Slams
- 30+ consecutive Quarter-Finals in Grand Slams?
- Most consecutive weeks at No.1
- 5 year-end World Tour championships
- Owns EVERY Master Series titles except for Monte Carlo, Rome and Paris (two of which are on clay, his least favorite surface)
- Is 6-5 Head to Head against Nadal (bar the clay surface, we already agree Nadal's better there)
- Has the record for dishing the most number of Bagels and Breadsticks: 2004-2006.. Not to mention Nadal got bagelled twice (one on freaking clay)

Yes I agree that Nadal matches up badly with Federer in style of play and Federer has a certain weakness to Nadal just like Nadal does against the likes of Djokovic and Del Potro. Whereas Djokovic and Del Potro has a much harder time against Federer than Nadal due to his style of play.
Nadal IS better than Federer on Clay by a long shot and everyone else except Djokovic
Federer IS better than Nadal in everything else (records show it) and everyone else

We can't compare the Federer now to Nadal and Djokovic. The guy's 30. His prime is over. Sure he may win another Grand Slam or two at best but thats it.
Nadal's also nearing his expiry date with his physical style of play. He's not gonna last trust me (maybe 2 more slams at best... 2 Roland Garros)
So we're looking more at Djokovic, Del Potro and hate to say it but Murray in the near future.
Djokovic's cool though, he has the charisma of a champion like Federer. Nadal just doesn't... with his shameless butt picking and broken english.

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ShatteredElysium
06/17/11 2:15:00 AM
#49:


Personally I rank Borg as the GOAT.

11 Grand Slams but he only entered the Aus Open once which was played on grass at the time (i.e. One of his better surfaces). That's impressive when you realise he effectively retired at the age of 24/25 (actually retired at 26 in 1983 but only played 1 tournament in 1982).

His Grand Slam singles record is 141–16. Nadals is 131–18 for the record but he's entered 1 more slam (124-18 over the same number of slams)

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ShatteredElysium
06/17/11 2:20:00 AM
#50:


Oh and Federer's record is 219–32. It will be more impressive than Borg and Nadal's record from the point where he won his first Wimbledon though (190-16)

Hmm, I guess that makes it a bit more murky actually.

Either way, I certainly rank Borg above Nadal for the moment.

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