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Kajagogo
07/15/23 9:25:14 PM
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Do you support them?


Why or why not?

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Irony
07/15/23 9:25:31 PM
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Eh


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Bass
07/15/23 9:26:37 PM
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Yes, but I always back labor over bosses. Fuck the fat cats.

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CommonStar
07/15/23 9:27:31 PM
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Absolutely.
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Antifar
07/15/23 9:27:58 PM
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100%. Solidarity forever

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deoxxys
07/15/23 9:30:37 PM
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I want to support the writers because the paycut was enormous but also they been writing garbo

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Cemith
07/15/23 9:32:14 PM
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deoxxys posted...
I want to support the writers because the paycut was enormous but also they been writing garbo

You have not seen enough shows. Plenty of shows just in the last few years have all been top shelf.

Barry, Ted Lasso, Succession, etc. Plenty of good TV is still being made.

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flussence
07/15/23 9:33:33 PM
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There should be a general strike

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CommonStar
07/15/23 9:34:28 PM
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It does not matter whether or not you like their writing or acting. That is not the point at all. The work they do generates money for these huge ass companies. They should be fairly compensated for that work.
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Antifar
07/15/23 9:35:24 PM
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CommonStar posted...
It does not matter whether or not you like their writing or acting. That is not the point at all. The work they do generates money for these huge ass companies. They should be fairly compensated for that work.
That's right.

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Irony
07/15/23 9:36:00 PM
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CommonStar posted...
It does not matter whether or not you like their writing or acting. That is not the point at all. The work they do generates money for these huge ass companies. They should be fairly compensated for that work.
For some writers it's debatable as to if they aren't already paid too much.

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Kajagogo
07/15/23 9:37:26 PM
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Irony posted...
For some writers it's debatable as to if they aren't already paid too much.


What's "too much"? What would you pay for a screenplay?

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Irony
07/15/23 9:38:14 PM
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Kajagogo posted...
What's "too much"? What would you pay for a screenplay?
Whatever SNL writers make is too much for what I guess is "screenplay"

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deoxxys
07/15/23 9:45:24 PM
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Cemith posted...
You have not seen enough shows. Plenty of shows just in the last few years have all been top shelf.

Barry, Ted Lasso, Succession, etc. Plenty of good TV is still being made.
fair enough maybe I just been watching didney and marvel

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Antifar
07/15/23 9:46:48 PM
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Irony posted...
Whatever SNL writers make is too much for what I guess is "screenplay"
When you argue to pay them less, you argue that NBC should take more.

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Hayame_Zero
07/15/23 9:47:04 PM
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I do, but I don't know how much in solidarity I am if I'm still subbing to streaming services.

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Requiem
07/15/23 9:47:09 PM
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On some issues, yes (streaming venues, stuff like that).
On others, no (use of AI in writing scripts, stuff like that)

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Antifar
07/15/23 9:47:49 PM
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Hayame_Zero posted...
I do, but I don't know how much in solidarity I am if I'm still subbing to streaming services.
They aren't asking for a boycott (at the current time)

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Kradek
07/15/23 9:49:57 PM
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Yes, I support fair practices towards employees and artists even if that means inconveniencing my entertainment.

What the companies tried proposing to the SAG was just completely out of touch

"So what we're gonna do is pay background actors for 1 day of work, make an AI model of them that we own, and then never hire them again because we'll own an AI model of their likeness. This is actually a way of protecting their identity!"

Like, how fucking greedy do you have to be.

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Requiem
07/15/23 9:57:31 PM
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Kradek posted...
"So what we're gonna do is pay background actors for 1 day of work, make an AI model of them that we own, and then never hire them again because we'll own an AI model of their likeness. This is actually a way of protecting their identity!"

Feels like this will be a non-issue soon, when the companies decide "hey, let's just model background people from the ground up". Probably not practical now, but, in a few years?

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Kajagogo
07/15/23 9:58:42 PM
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Kradek posted...
Yes, I support fair practices towards employees and artists even if that means inconveniencing my entertainment.

What the companies tried proposing to the SAG was just completely out of touch

"So what we're gonna do is pay background actors for 1 day of work, make an AI model of them that we own, and then never hire them again because we'll own an AI model of their likeness. This is actually a way of protecting their identity!"

Like, how fucking greedy do you have to be.


Oh, so it's kind of like that NFT controversy a while back. That's messed up.

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Kradek
07/15/23 9:58:58 PM
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Requiem posted...
Feels like this will be a non-issue soon, when the companies decide "hey, let's just model background people from the ground up". Probably not practical now, but, in a few years?

Well that's on them and I would be there's already movies with totally fake people in the background who never existed.

For now, they're trying to fuck over actors with a laughably flimsy excuse.

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CommonStar
07/15/23 10:04:56 PM
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Kradek posted...
Yes, I support fair practices towards employees and artists even if that means inconveniencing my entertainment.

What the companies tried proposing to the SAG was just completely out of touch

"So what we're gonna do is pay background actors for 1 day of work, make an AI model of them that we own, and then never hire them again because we'll own an AI model of their likeness. This is actually a way of protecting their identity!"

Like, how fucking greedy do you have to be.
It's actually much worse. The purpose of that proposal is to destroy the union by removing a large group of members (the background actors) from the union by preventing them from meeting the income threshold for healthcare through the union.
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name_unknown
07/15/23 10:07:59 PM
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Support worker rights. Video game developers also need to unionize.
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Nota214
07/15/23 10:11:28 PM
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People always asking if I am for the strike. My question is, why should I be against it?
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Jagr_68
07/15/23 10:35:12 PM
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The entire planet should be all for workers rights and better pay altogether.

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jsb0714
07/15/23 10:37:34 PM
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Cemith posted...
Plenty of shows just in the last few years have all been top shelf.

This is a steaming load of bullshit.
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SpawnShadow
07/15/23 10:39:19 PM
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Bass posted...
Yes, but I always back labor over bosses. Fuck the fat cats.
This, but also super-fuck the bosses' use of "AI" to replace and devalue human labor.
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YellowSUV
07/15/23 10:54:51 PM
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Yes. Even though I think most writers already make a lot for their garbage writing, the administrative leeches in Hollywood make way too much money and the excess money they gain would better suit the workers.

The strike also will hopefully inspire more workers to consider striking (and frankly there are ton of workers that have it much worse than writers and actors).

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Dark_Arbron
07/15/23 10:55:09 PM
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name_unknown posted...
Support worker rights. Video game developers also need to unionize.

And scummy publishers like Activision who employ union busting strategies need to suffer genuine consequences for a change.

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tripleh213
07/15/23 11:09:06 PM
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Bass posted...
Yes, but I always back labor over bosses. Fuck the fat cats.


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leafsRULE
07/15/23 11:12:29 PM
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of course, until my favourite shows get delayed then i hate them. as is the way most support for strikes go.

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Pitlord_Special
07/15/23 11:12:35 PM
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Fuck the suits, pay the talent what they deserve

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MaxEffingBemis
07/15/23 11:22:27 PM
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Yall do realize a big reason the writing has been garbage is because the bosses have influenced it to be so right? So few original ideas because the bosses would rather take risk averse approaches like prequel, sequel, remakes etc or mine IPs that people love

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Dark_Arbron
07/15/23 11:25:14 PM
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MaxEffingBemis posted...
Yall do realize a big reason the writing has been garbage is because the bosses have influenced it to be so right? So few original ideas because the bosses would rather take risk averse approaches like prequel, sequel, remakes etc or mine IPs that people love

This. Execs mandate what goes into the final product. Sometimes the writing is simply bad at its core, but its not fair to assume thats always the case.

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Requiem
07/15/23 11:42:26 PM
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MaxEffingBemis posted...
Yall do realize a big reason the writing has been garbage is because the bosses have influenced it to be so right? So few original ideas because the bosses would rather take risk averse approaches like prequel, sequel, remakes etc or mine IPs that people love

Yeah, but at the price tag of about $100 million for an average film (I'm seeing $50 million to $150million being mentioned from various sources), I can see why studios are becoming more adverse to risks.

Same thing happening with video games, although thankfully we still have indie companies for more experimental (if much much lower budgeted) games being released to the mass.


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CARRRNE_ASADA
07/15/23 11:44:10 PM
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Requiem posted...
Feels like this will be a non-issue soon, when the companies decide "hey, let's just model background people from the ground up". Probably not practical now, but, in a few years?


I imagine people rather lose one DAY worth of pay rather than give up their own image away forever.

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CARRRNE_ASADA
07/15/23 11:49:13 PM
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deoxxys posted...
I want to support the writers because the paycut was enormous but also they been writing garbo


Im pretty sure the words "somehow Palpatine returned" were the result of frustration of having the big wigs telling you how the story's gonna go. Most of them are pretty capable, but they write for the intended audience. Kinda like classically trained musicians working for pop artist cause it pays the bills.

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Villain_S_Fiend
07/15/23 11:53:20 PM
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You betcha.

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Stagmar
07/15/23 11:53:31 PM
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Doesnt affect me at all, but I always support the workers.

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Dark_Arbron
07/16/23 1:00:23 AM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Im pretty sure the words "somehow Palpatine returned" were the result of frustration of having the big wigs telling you how the story's gonna go. Most of them are pretty capable, but they write for the intended audience. Kinda like classically trained musicians working for pop artist cause it pays the bills.

This is why fanfiction has so much potential. Zero barrier to entry (which works against it as well as for it) and no overhead meaning you can write what you want. Its just a shame that potential isnt often realised.


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divot1338
07/16/23 1:15:28 AM
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They should correct the pay formula for streaming platforms but other than that everyone has had a two year vacation. Not time for raises, but we can talk about fairness. Push on everything else.

I got bigger union problems than these fucking guys anyway.

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ScazarMeltex
07/16/23 1:21:04 AM
#45:


Bass posted...
Yes, but I always back labor over bosses. Fuck the fat cats.

Antifar posted...
100%. Solidarity forever


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MaxEffingBemis
07/16/23 11:16:26 AM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Im pretty sure the words "somehow Palpatine returned" were the result of frustration of having the big wigs telling you how the story's gonna go. Most of them are pretty capable, but they write for the intended audience. Kinda like classically trained musicians working for pop artist cause it pays the bills.
Yes another reason is because they are writing for the audience, and the audience has been dumbed down so much in recent years. We are as much to blame as the studio heads

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hockeybub89
07/16/23 11:20:17 AM
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divot1338 posted...
They should correct the pay formula for streaming platforms but other than that everyone has had a two year vacation. Not time for raises, but we can talk about fairness. Push on everything else.

I got bigger union problems than these fucking guys anyway.
The vast majority of the strikers are just regular people truly to get fairly compensated and be able to pay their bills. They haven't been on a two year vacation.

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wackyteen
07/16/23 11:22:57 AM
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Even if I cared more about movies/TV shows in general and it seriously affected availability of stuff I cared about, I'd still support them because of Bob Iger's dumb mother fucking comments about Hollywood not being able to afford paying them more.

Like give me a fucking break. How goddamned dumb do you think we are?

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AbsolutelyNoOne
07/16/23 11:28:00 AM
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Yes.

I do mean it when I say every person so far I've seen who actively doesn't support it is either an AI grifter, or an alt-right wackjob who can't go two sentences without whining about jews (which of course they think every actor who has ever existed is.).

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