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Antifar
05/03/23 12:05:52 AM
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https://twitter.com/AlwaysFlacko/status/1653602042080837634

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Zikten
05/03/23 12:07:56 AM
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That attacker thinks he is a hero but what he did was treat a man in need like a monster
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kingdrake2
05/03/23 12:43:28 AM
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Zikten posted...
That attacker thinks he is a hero but what he did was treat a man in need like a monster


true. only if the insane man throws hands. there is a right to defend (to a reasonable extent).

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Temporal
05/03/23 12:51:27 AM
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glad the nyc subreddit actually had some sensible takes on this

man had like what, 44 prior arrests?

good riddance

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Noname12
05/03/23 12:52:54 AM
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What do we in a society with rapid homeless rising partnered with mental illness. How can we fix this? Along with the general public just getting tired of it. Like you see this daily now. Prank videos, train riders, etc.. its like people after COVID are just snapping after anything these days. Then, you have s government thats never gonna help

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Ryvell
05/03/23 12:53:02 AM
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Temporal posted...
glad the nyc subreddit actually had some sensible takes on this

man had like what, 44 prior arrests?

good riddance

Oh damn, are prior arrests enough of a justification to kill someone now?

Watch out Trump.
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A_Good_Boy
05/03/23 12:54:44 AM
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Temporal posted...
glad the nyc subreddit actually had some sensible takes on this

man had like what, 44 prior arrests?

good riddance
If choking the life out of someone for acting strange in a NYC subway was considered the sensible option then NYC subways would be littered with bodies.

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Zikten
05/03/23 12:55:06 AM
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Temporal posted...
glad the nyc subreddit actually had some sensible takes on this

man had like what, 44 prior arrests?

good riddance
And what was arrested for? If it was just for stuff like freaking out in public, maybe they should have sent him to a hospital instead of jail. He needed help, not death
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Temporal
05/03/23 12:55:20 AM
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Ryvell posted...
Oh damn, are prior arrests enough of a justification to kill someone now?

Watch out Trump.

nah, but a deranged psycho causing innocent passengers distress who could snap at an instant is enough justification to subdue them.

feel bad for the guy who ended up killing him knowing how much grief he'll have over this

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Ryvell
05/03/23 12:58:50 AM
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Temporal posted...
nah, but a deranged psycho causing innocent passengers distress who could snap at an instant is enough justification to subdue them.

feel bad for the guy who ended up killing him knowing how much grief he'll have over this

Then we should be choking out every worked up Karen around. What an absolutely braindead take. I'm a paramedic in a large city, I deal with mentally ill homeless people all the time. I've been assaulted more times by drunk college kids than I have by your so-called "deranged psychos".
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R1masher
05/03/23 12:59:31 AM
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Expected the 2 train

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Temporal
05/03/23 1:03:12 AM
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Ryvell posted...
Then we should be choking out every worked up Karen around. What an absolutely braindead take. I'm a paramedic in a large city, I deal with mentally ill homeless people all the time. I've been assaulted more times by drunk college kids than I have by your so-called "deranged psychos".

comparing "worked-up Karens" to mentally ill/drugged-out homeless individuals is the real braindead take here lmao

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A_Good_Boy
05/03/23 1:04:47 AM
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Man there's an awful lot of shitty posts in this topic.

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Zikten
05/03/23 1:06:14 AM
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Temporal posted...
comparing "worked-up Karens" to mentally ill/drugged-out homeless individuals is the real braindead take here lmao
Mentally ill doesn't mean threat to the public. Most mentally ill are harmless
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BlueBoy675
05/03/23 1:08:11 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Man there's an awful lot of shitty posts in this topic.
All from one user no less

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Ryvell
05/03/23 1:08:58 AM
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Temporal posted...
comparing "worked-up Karens" to mentally ill/drugged-out homeless individuals is the real braindead take here lmao

Do you have literally *any* experience working with mentally ill/homeless populations? Because your opinion means nothing if you don't.
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Temporal
05/03/23 1:09:07 AM
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Zikten posted...
Mentally ill doesn't mean threat to the public. Most mentally ill are harmless

you tell that to the grandma that's trapped in the same train cart as them while they yell obscenities, threaten to do <x>, etc

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Ryvell
05/03/23 1:09:49 AM
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Temporal posted...
you tell that to the grandma that's trapped in the same train cart as them while they yell obscenities, threaten to do <x>, etc

Someone making you uncomfortable doesn't give you permission to kill them.
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Aloc
05/03/23 1:10:01 AM
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Don't worry he will get purged again

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Temporal
05/03/23 1:10:20 AM
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Ryvell posted...
Do you have literally *any* experience working with mentally ill/homeless populations? Because your opinion means nothing if you don't.

noted

and i don't need to be working with mentally ill homeless individuals considering i've been a rider of public transportation with >20 years and have had plenty of experiences with them.

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Revelation34
05/03/23 1:11:54 AM
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Was the guy arrested for murder?

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Temporal
05/03/23 1:12:36 AM
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Ryvell posted...
Someone making you uncomfortable doesn't give you permission to kill them.

where did I say that gives anyone permission to kill anyone?

the guy who inadvertently killed the guy in the story felt justified enough in subduing him due to the perceived threat to others on the train. do you think he went in with the intention of murdering the guy when it's obvious a chokehold is used in most instances to knock someone out rather than clear, intended murder?

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Ryvell
05/03/23 1:13:02 AM
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Temporal posted...
noted

and i don't need to be working with mentally ill homeless individuals considering i've been a rider of public transportation with >20 years and have had plenty of experiences with them.

And in 20 years, have you ever been assaulted by one?

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Temporal
05/03/23 1:13:27 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
Was the guy arrested for murder?

https://nypost.com/2023/05/02/nyc-subway-rider-who-placed-unhinged-man-in-deadly-chokehold-released-cops/

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Ryvell
05/03/23 1:14:42 AM
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Temporal posted...
where did I say that gives anyone permission to kill anyone?

the guy who inadvertently killed the guy in the story felt justified enough in subduing him due to the perceived threat to others on the train. do you think he went in with the intention of murdering the guy when it's obvious a chokehold is used in most instances to knock someone out rather than clear, intended murder?

Who cares what his intentions were? He killed a man using a maneuver that even police aren't allowed to use because it's dangerous. And he used it on someone who hadn't harmed anyone. At best, manslaughter.

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Temporal
05/03/23 1:15:24 AM
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Ryvell posted...
And in 20 years, have you ever been assaulted by one?

i've been harassed plenty of times and so has my gf, but i've never been straight up assaulted

however, my anecdotal experiences can't speak on behalf of the myriad of others who have been assaulted or straight up murdered by those suffering from mental illness and/or drug abuse

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Ryvell
05/03/23 1:19:12 AM
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Temporal posted...
i've been harassed plenty of times and so has my gf, but i've never been straight up assaulted

however, my anecdotal experiences can't speak on behalf of the myriad of others who have been assaulted or straight up murdered by those suffering from mental illness and/or drug abuse

Right. People get harassed by mentally healthy people every day too, so mental health/homelessness really has nothing to do with it. Ricky Rescue here just knew he could have his 15 minutes of fame beating the crap out of a homeless guy and nobody would call him out for it. Lo and behold, he was spot on, with morons like you defending his actions.
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DarthAragorn
05/03/23 1:21:26 AM
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What an absolute piece of shit

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Zikten
05/03/23 1:21:48 AM
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The guy might still get arrested eventually. The Ahmoud Arbery killers were initially let go too. Now they are in prison for Life
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Revelation34
05/03/23 1:22:44 AM
#30:


Zikten posted...
The guy might still get arrested eventually. The Ahmoud Arbery killers were initially let go too. Now they are in prison for Life


He should. There's no way he will get life though.

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Temporal
05/03/23 1:24:13 AM
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Zikten posted...
The guy might still get arrested eventually. The Ahmoud Arbery killers were initially let go too. Now they are in prison for Life

comparing a racially motivated hate crime murder by two pieces of shit to a guy that inadvertently killed a guy he was trying to subdue on a train due to a perceived public threat is certainly a zikten take

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WalkingLobsters
05/03/23 1:25:34 AM
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the dude reacting in "self-defense" sounds more psychotic than the crazy homeless guy. Like i'd understand punching him, and the homeless guy hitting his head against the ground and dying. But slowly squeezing the life out of him after you clearly had incapacitated him? After you clearly already had him unconscious? And to continue squeezing. Holy fuck. Severely deranged and probably needs help himself

edit: he held him the chokehold for 15 minutes. Unreal

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Zikten
05/03/23 1:25:41 AM
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The guy on the subway was not a threat though. I'm saying the guy that killed him should have just stayed in his damn seat
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Revelation34
05/03/23 1:26:42 AM
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Temporal posted...


comparing a racially motivated hate crime murder by two pieces of shit to a guy that inadvertently killed a guy he was trying to subdue on a train due to a perceived public threat is certainly a zikten take


"Inadvertently"

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Temporal
05/03/23 1:28:12 AM
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Zikten posted...
The guy on the subway was not a threat though. I'm saying the guy that killed him should have just stayed in his damn seat

hence the implication of "perceived threat"

he could've continued screaming and threatening passengers without action or could've assaulted someone. the guy who killed him thought the latter, acted on his intuition, and will now face whatever comes his way along with dealing with the trauma of having killed someone.

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A_Good_Boy
05/03/23 1:28:47 AM
#36:


Revelation34 posted...
"Inadvertently"
Who knew that people can die when you choke them?

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Ryvell
05/03/23 1:31:37 AM
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Temporal posted...
hence the implication of "perceived threat"

You mean like "perceived threat" Ralph Yarl, the 16 year old who was shot because the rang the wrong doorbell?

Being uncomfortable isn't a threat.

Temporal posted...
and will now face whatever comes his way

Yes, this is what happens to criminals.
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Temporal
05/03/23 1:37:08 AM
#39:


Ryvell posted...
You mean like "perceived threat" Ralph Yarl, the 16 year old who was shot because the rang the wrong doorbell?

Being uncomfortable isn't a threat.

Yes, this is what happens to criminals.

comparing a 16-year-old being killed over ringing a doorbell vs. a mentally ill homeless dude who has "had numerous prior arrests for offenses including assault, disorderly conduct, and fare beating, law enforcement sources said" isn't the slamdunk retort you think it is

got any other great comparisons you want to make?

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Revelation34
05/03/23 1:39:06 AM
#40:


Temporal posted...


comparing a 16-year-old being killed over ringing a doorbell vs. a mentally ill homeless dude who has "had numerous prior arrests for offenses including assault, disorderly conduct, and fare beating, law enforcement sources said" isn't the slamdunk retort you think it is

got any other great comparisons you want to make?


So you're saying the murderer knew the homeless man had been arrested before?

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goatthief
05/03/23 1:40:02 AM
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Terrible.

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Temporal
05/03/23 1:40:37 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
So you're saying the murderer knew the homeless man had been arrested before?

this is your takeaway from the post? jfc

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Ryvell
05/03/23 1:40:44 AM
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Temporal posted...
comparing a 16-year-old being killed over ringing a doorbell vs. a mentally ill homeless dude who has "had numerous prior arrests for offenses including assault, disorderly conduct, and fare beating, law enforcement sources said" isn't the slamdunk retort you think it is

got any other great comparisons you want to make?

You managed to say absolutely nothing, great job. And you've completely missed the point, which is that deadly force was not applicable in either situation, and acting with such should be considered (attempted) murder. As I've already said in this topic, you being uncomfortable because of a non-existent "perceived threat" does not give anyone grounds to (try to) kill someone.

Come back when you have something valuable to add.
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Revelation34
05/03/23 1:41:05 AM
#45:


Temporal posted...


this is your takeaway from the post? jfc


There was literally no reason to mention his arrest record.

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Temporal
05/03/23 1:43:07 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
There was literally no reason to mention his arrest record.

the reason was he had prior arrests for assault when you've got people in this thread arguing he posed no threat to those on the train when that's clearly not the case.

was the guy who choked him out aware of his arrest record? obviously the fuck not but he clearly felt like he needed to intervene.

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Revelation34
05/03/23 1:44:08 AM
#47:


Temporal posted...


the reason was he had prior arrests for assault when you've got people in this thread arguing he posed no threat to those on the train when that's clearly not the case.

was the guy who choked him out aware of his arrest record? obviously the fuck not but he clearly felt like he needed to intervene.


He did pose no threat though. Yelling about something is not a threat.

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cjsdowg
05/03/23 1:44:47 AM
#48:


Temporal posted...
nah, but a deranged psycho causing innocent passengers distress who could snap at an instant is enough justification to subdue them.

feel bad for the guy who ended up killing him knowing how much grief he'll have over this

He murdered someone for yelling. Once more a guy was murdered for yelling. How in your bigoted mind can you murder people for yelling. So if you speed, can someone kill you. I mean you are putting people life in danger.

So next time we said a video of a Karen should she be chocked to death.

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Temporal
05/03/23 1:45:33 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
He did pose no threat though. Yelling about something is not a threat.

https://nypost.com/2023/05/02/nyc-subway-rider-who-placed-unhinged-man-in-deadly-chokehold-released-cops/

how about you read the fucking article before continuing to shitpost?

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goatthief
05/03/23 1:47:12 AM
#50:


How does that guy get suspended but the guy making the bad faith arguments is left untouched

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Temporal
05/03/23 1:48:17 AM
#51:


goatthief posted...
How does that guy get suspended but the guy making the bad faith arguments is left untouched

bad faith arguments from someone who dealt with instances like this firsthand is bad faith arguing?

shut the fuck up and get banned again

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