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goatthief
05/04/23 4:11:49 AM
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Number090684
05/04/23 4:34:11 AM
#153:


cjsdowg posted...
HE wasn't attacking people when he was grabbed. So he didn't have a reason to be "pacified" if someone grabbed would people blame for you trying to get away ?

Given he was acting in a very threatening and menacing manner and voicing his discontentment with how things were going in his life and saying he didn't care if he went to jail the man was essentially warning people that he might do something dangerous and illegal to get out of that situation, which could have harmed at least one person there. So yes, if he approached anyone there and didn't keep his distance he could have been preceived as a threat, especially considering they were essentially in a public transportation vehicle with him. Life altering injury or even death is always one fall and head impact away. The marine was trying to keep people safe but held him excessively long which was his biggest mistake. Can't say if he constantly was applying as much force as necessary to completely cut off the blood and oxygen supply to the other man's brain, but the time he held him was too long. The marine will likely get a involuntary manslaughter charge but given that he's a marine and said he was acting in defense of himself and others he'll likely not suffer a lengthy sentence. Again this even occuring in the first place is a failing of the law first and foremost.
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St0rmFury
05/04/23 4:37:32 AM
#154:


Foppe posted...
Remember when 4 Swedish cops on vacation stopped a fight on a NYC subway without hurting anybody?
They were super respectful too, kept asking the guy they subdued if he's is ok.

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cjsdowg
05/04/23 4:41:41 AM
#155:


Number090684 posted...
Given he was acting in a very threatening and menacing manner and voicing his discontentment with how things were going in his life and saying he didn't care if he went to jail the man was essentially warning people that he might do something dangerous and illegal to get out of that situation, which could have harmed at least one person there. So yes, if he approached anyone there and didn't keep his distance he could have been preceived as a threat, especially considering they were essentially in a public transportation vehicle with him. Life altering injury or even death is always one fall and head impact away. The marine was trying to keep people safe but held him excessively long which was his biggest mistake. Can't say if he constantly was applying as much force as necessary to completely cut off the blood and oxygen supply to the other man's brain, but the time he held him was too long. The marine will likely get a involuntary manslaughter charge but given that he's a marine and said he was acting in defense of himself and others he'll likely not suffer a lengthy sentence. Again this even occuring in the first place is a failing of the law first and foremost.

So next time Karen years in a store , she should be choked?

Also to clear things up he was yelling he didn't go near, people the murderer went near him. Tell me is because he black or homeless that you think this life doesn't matter ?

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Number090684
05/04/23 4:44:29 AM
#156:


cjsdowg posted...
So next time Karen years in a store , she should be choked?

That has nothing to do with this situation. Cut it out with this exaggerated takes and argue in good faith then we can have a worthwhile exchange.
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goatthief
05/04/23 4:45:27 AM
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Number090684 posted...
That has nothing to do with this situation. Cut it out with this exaggerated takes and argue in good faith then we can have a worthwhile exchange.

I find your lack of good faith disturbing

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cjsdowg
05/04/23 4:46:55 AM
#158:


Number090684 posted...


That has nothing to do with this situation. Cut it out with this exaggerated takes and argue in good faith then we can have a worthwhile exchange.

It has everything to do with. I will take your avoidance of the question as a no. So you don't think someone yelling and causing issues should be choked, in general. But you think this man should have been. Thus leads into my second question.

You can't have it both ways, unless there is something different about how you view the two people.

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Number090684
05/04/23 4:50:23 AM
#159:


goatthief posted...
I find your lack of good faith disturbing

What is so hard to understand about my arguement? Nobody had to die, and it's sad that someone did. The law failed to get man murdered the rehabilitation he needed before he was set free to prevent this from happening, and while the marine was fearful for good reason, he shouldn't have held the man for as long as he did. All we can do is let judge and jury decide what happens to the marine next.
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UnfairRepresent
05/04/23 4:56:50 AM
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Just from the topic title and amount of posts in the topic I can tell without reading it that there's people defending the killing

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Zikten
05/04/23 5:19:16 AM
#161:


The marine should not be given a shorter sentence just for being a marine. And I say that as an Army Brat as a kid. Literally my earliest memories are living on a military base

But people in the military should not get reduced sentences
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COVxy
05/04/23 8:04:33 AM
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I didn't expect anybody defending this. But it is CE i suppose.

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Antifar
05/04/23 8:43:02 AM
#165:


The governor and mayor can't bring themselves to denounce this
https://twitter.com/KateCagle/status/1653973004899196930
https://twitter.com/C_Sommerfeldt/status/1653953564518088704

Shameful shit from NY Dems as usual

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deathproof12
05/04/23 8:47:41 AM
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I thought he was just pinning him down for the cops to detain him and the man dying was an accident
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NinjaWarrior455
05/04/23 9:42:50 AM
#168:


Antifar posted...
The governor and mayor can't bring themselves to denounce this
https://twitter.com/KateCagle/status/1653973004899196930
https://twitter.com/C_Sommerfeldt/status/1653953564518088704

Shameful shit from NY Dems as usual
If they could they would personally congratulate the fucking murderer.

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VirtuousWrath
05/04/23 10:50:57 AM
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Out of curiosity, do most people on CE actually leave their house and take public transportation like this?

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YellowSUV
05/05/23 9:15:30 AM
#171:


Someone posted 9 years about him on Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1njfls/try_to_stay_away_from_the_michael_jackson/

https://web.archive.org/web/20230505034433/https://old.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1njfls/try_to_stay_away_from_the_michael_jackson/

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NinjaWarrior455
05/05/23 9:41:01 AM
#172:


Looks like the trolls are shitting up that thread

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Noname12
05/05/23 9:44:05 AM
#174:


NinjaWarrior455 posted...
Looks like the trolls are shitting up that thread
Are they though? He didnt deserve to die but its apparent hes been a legitimate danger to the public for a decade. They can be two separate things

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CyricZ
05/05/23 9:44:55 AM
#175:


Noname12 posted...
Are they though?
Yes.

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Antifar
05/05/23 10:49:04 PM
#176:


https://twitter.com/Newyorkist/status/1654640726125211649

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Zikten
05/05/23 11:12:19 PM
#177:


Fuck everyone on that train who held him down, or just sat by and watched. I hope next time something like this happens, someone runs over and punches the assaulter
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DOOM-64
05/05/23 11:36:36 PM
#178:


Antifar posted...
https://twitter.com/Newyorkist/status/1654640726125211649

damnit.

this is blowing my mind. Is the choker a really influential guy or are race conspiracies real!?

I dont know what to think

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A_Good_Boy
05/05/23 11:39:06 PM
#179:


Dude choked him for 15 minutes, so long he shat himself, and people are trying to claim that he deserved it. Jfc.

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Revelation34
05/06/23 3:12:00 AM
#180:


deathproof12 posted...


I thought he was just pinning him down for the cops to detain him and the man dying was an accident


You don't pin somebody down by choking them to death.

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MarcyWarcy
05/06/23 4:41:43 AM
#181:


Antifar posted...
https://twitter.com/Newyorkist/status/1654640726125211649

yeah. He knew what he was doing from the start. Dude should be locked away for good

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Antifar
05/06/23 6:13:05 AM
#182:


DOOM-64 posted...
this is blowing my mind. Is the choker a really influential guy or are race conspiracies real!?
He's the son of a cop

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NoMeLx22x
05/06/23 6:52:29 AM
#183:


Legacy media coverage on this has been absolutely horrible. They can't even bring themselves to denounce this fully, and it really goes to show what our average perception of homeless people is in this country and its fucking tragic.

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Zikten
05/06/23 6:56:19 AM
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And on social media and in YouTube comments, I've seen countless people treating the murderer as a hero. It really pisses me off
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DOOM-64
05/06/23 9:48:59 AM
#186:


Antifar posted...
He's the son of a cop

I knew this smelled fishy!!!!!!

thanks

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AI_TechGam3FAQS
05/06/23 10:25:29 AM
#187:


YellowSUV posted...
Someone posted 9 years about him on Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1njfls/try_to_stay_away_from_the_michael_jackson/

https://web.archive.org/web/20230505034433/https://old.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1njfls/try_to_stay_away_from_the_michael_jackson/

Damn, and that was 9 years ago

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megamanfreakXD
05/06/23 11:57:16 PM
#189:


I guess we aren't allowed to defend ourselves in the subway. I should just start using my car then.

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Revelation34
05/06/23 11:58:25 PM
#190:


megamanfreakXD posted...
I guess we aren't allowed to defend ourselves in the subway. I should just start using my car then.


Nobody needs to defend themselves from yelling.

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Zikten
05/07/23 12:01:37 AM
#191:


megamanfreakXD posted...
I guess we aren't allowed to defend ourselves in the subway. I should just start using my car then.
The victim never attacked anyone. You shouldn't murder people who yell
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R1masher
05/07/23 12:03:01 AM
#192:


Nobody on the train even tried to stop the killer

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Zikten
05/07/23 12:08:07 AM
#193:


R1masher posted...
Nobody on the train even tried to stop the killer
Exactly. I would like to see everyone in that train charged
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cjsdowg
05/07/23 12:11:19 AM
#194:


Black men always have to prove our humanity. The murdered black man was not attacking anyone on that train but he is on trial. Any time something look is happens. Every single mistep in a black man life is looked at over and over. This doesn't happen to anyone else.

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DarthAragorn
05/07/23 12:34:10 AM
#195:


megamanfreakXD posted...
I guess we aren't allowed to defend ourselves in the subway. I should just start using my car then.
If by defend yourself you mean murder someone, then no, I don't think that should be allowed

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cjsdowg
05/07/23 12:37:41 AM
#196:


megamanfreakXD posted...
I guess we aren't allowed to defend ourselves in the subway. I should just start using my car then.

So next time a Karen goes wild and start yelling at worker can she put choked for 15 mins.

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InfinityMonster
05/07/23 12:55:54 AM
#197:


Zikten posted...
The victim never attacked anyone. You shouldn't murder people who yell

Zikten posted...
Exactly. I would like to see everyone in that train charged
Middle of nowhere, Alaska.

cjsdowg posted...
Black men always have to prove our humanity. The murdered black man was not attacking anyone on that train but he is on trial. Any time something look is happens. Every single mistep in a black man life is looked at over and over. This doesn't happen to anyone else.
Middle of nowhere, South Carolina.

Are you part of the protestors jumping on the tracks, which can kill them instantly?

Stop acting like this was just some innocent yelling.

Witnesses and law enforcement sources said Neely got on the train and started acting very aggressively toward other riders, threatening to harm them. Police sources told NBC New York that Neely told riders on the train that he wanted food, that he wasn't taking no for an answer, and that he would hurt anyone on the train.

"The man got on the subway car and began to say a somewhat aggressive speech, saying he was hungry, he was thirsty, that he didn't care about anything, he didn't care about going to jail, he didn't care that he gets a big life sentence," said Juan Alberto Vazquez, who was in the subway car and recording part of what happened afterward. "That 'It doesn't even matter if I died.'"

Vazquez said he was scared, and believes others on the train were as well. It was then that a 24-year-old rider came up behind Neely and put him in a chokehold, holding him on the ground. Two other men stood over them and also helped subdue him, video showed.

"If there was fear, the people who...were there where he separated everything, moved from their place. I stayed sitting in my place because it was a little further away, but obviously in those moments, well, one feels fear. One thinks he may be armed," Vazquez said.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/calls-for-charges-in-jordan-neely-case-grow-after-nyc-subway-chokehold-death/4303705/

Something like that is 100% gonna send up red flags to everybody around. So saying otherwise is some extremely sheltered shit. I've taken the NYC subways for almost 35 years at this point and have seen it all.

The issue is how long the guy held him, which was completely wrong and which he will likely be charged for.

cjsdowg posted...
So next time a Karen goes wild and start yelling at worker can she put choked for 15 mins.
Yes, some Karen acting exactly like that can and have been stopped before.

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megamanfreakXD
05/07/23 1:08:26 AM
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Literally an article above saying he was threatening people

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Murphiroth
05/07/23 1:09:49 AM
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megamanfreakXD posted...
Literally an article above saying he was threatening people

And that justifies a vigilante murder in your eyes?
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candyapplered
05/07/23 1:17:35 AM
#201:


Murphiroth posted...
And that justifies a vigilante murder in your eyes?
Do you think he was intentionally killed?

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Murphiroth
05/07/23 1:18:55 AM
#202:


candyapplered posted...
Do you think he was intentionally killed?

He absolutely was.
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