Poll of the Day > America about to install their *Ministry of Truth*

(+) Yeah! (+)

Lmao

Sure they are.

Left wing McCarthyism is no better than the original from the right in the 1960's, some Democrats need to rethink their actions, before it's too late.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/0/3/AAFUswAADNDf.jpg

Wat.

Oh wow apparently it's real. WTF is Biden thinking?

Sources are nice.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-establishes-a-ministry-of-truth-disinformation-governance-board-partisan-11651432312

I can only find opinion pieces for some reason.

There is nothing wrong with having widely recognized fact checking institutions. Disinformation is one of the biggest threats to democracy and peace today. However, it shouldn't be a government body that does this. It should be a cooperative between numerous academic institutions, both public and private.

What does it do? Your article is paywalled.

Yellow posted...

What does it do? Your article is paywalled.

The one I posted? I didn't get a pay wall issue and I don't have a sub.

Just Google it? You have the internet at your disposal.

Jen0125 posted...

The one I posted? I didn't get a pay wall issue and I don't have a sub.

Just Google it? You have the internet at your disposal.

Burden of proof falls on claimant, not on everyone else, having the Internet or not.

Also, I too am seeing a mere paragraph and a half before the site asks for a subscription or for me to sign in. So that source is a pass.

The new board is intended to standardize the department's efforts to respond to disinformation that could be connected with violent threats to the U.S.

this has been a thing since the inception of america lmao

but, unsurprisingly, it's just republicans throwing a fit over this

I don't like this at all, and agree "WTF is Biden thinking?"
Free speech is important. And while it might be restricted to stuff like medical misinformation that objectively and provably false and leads to real harm...

a) there's already processes to deal with that (like Alex Jones recently getting his pants sued off by Sandy Hook families)

b) What's to stop the next Republican from expanding its scope and going after anyone left of the far right?

Very poor idea, and terrible optics. It's like he's TRYING to cost Dems the next few elections.

Jen0125 posted...

I can only find opinion pieces for some reason.

I don't think there's been any firm details yet, so it's tough to have an objective news article about it beyond mentioning its creation.
Which is worrying. The more vague it is, the worse.

The board is tasked with standardizing and streamlining DHS' efforts to respond to disinformation that could be connected with violent threats to the U.S. homeland.

Disinformation is defined as "false information that is deliberately spread with the intent to deceive or mislead."

Previously, efforts to curb disinformation were carried out independently by agencies and offices operating under DHS' purview.

For instance, according to DHS, some of those projects include CISA's accounting of Russian cyber attacks and election interference, CBP's efforts to undermine false narratives peddled by human traffickers operating near the U.S.-Mexico border, DHS' guidance to the U.S. telecom industry to debunk false claims suggesting 5G cell towers spread COVID-19, and FEMA's fraud alerts, warning of criminals who take advantage of disaster survivors in the wake of super storms.

yeah, it's not a bad thing, it's literally just consolidation.

He loved big brother

Entity13 posted...

Burden of proof falls on claimant, not on everyone else, having the Internet or not.

Also, I too am seeing a mere paragraph and a half before the site asks for a subscription or for me to sign in. So that source is a pass.

I didn't make the claim so that fails here

Jen0125 posted...

The one I posted? I didn't get a pay wall issue and I don't have a sub.

Just Google it? You have the internet at your disposal.

Alright then I'm only asking anyone who feels like answering. Question still stands.

This only happened because Elon Musk bought Twitter. The government will do anything it can to get a hold on what information they deem is correct to fit their narrative and propaganda.

Stupidity.

Now I want to know what people constitute as a "narrative and propaganda"

If it's anything to do with vaccines then really we all have you to blame.

The government

Also, here it is for any doubting authoritarian loving liberals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_Governance_Board

Wikipedia has liberal bias, by the way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiRgJYMw6YA

This is some 1984 Orwellian BS

Biden is doing everything he can to bring down his approval ratings lmao

Waffle_Roffle posted...

Also, here it is for any doubting authoritarian loving liberals:

I'm a socialist. Only liberals would lap this shit up. But yes, I have heard about the charity-built structure set up in Africa being an issue.

Even then I don't remember liberals asking for a department of truth, not to abstain them of fault because there are definitely liberals who will accept this, this feels like a bipartisan DC brainworm idea much like the NSA.

And yes every politician in the government is currently playing a "who can be the most hated" game.

It's mostly the Biden admin's idea but I'm sure some Repubs don't mind it either.

Honestly, I have been thinking of this and I do think there should be a dedicated group committed to identifying how dogma spreads and how to prevent it in a scientific analysis sort of way, which could then go and put forward open source industry standard recommendation algorithms to social media groups. That's more open than "the government does it", though.

My vision of that would basically entail "what amount of random content needs to be injected into social media recommendations to mathematically prevent echo chambers while allowing as much customer retention as possible". Tl Dr an anti-algorithm algorithm.

In case I wasn't clear I think the root of the problem is that social media algorithms create feedback loops and echo chambers that give rise to more reality-detached ideas because their main driving force is customer retention. They use machine learning to hone it to a point, they don't even know what it's doing. For all they know the AI could be intentionally radicalizing people.

Waffle_Roffle posted...

Biden is doing everything he can to bring down his approval ratings lmao

this group is literally no different than what they've been doing for the past 10 years

a certain political group is latching into it so they can try and make everyone forget they're trying to do something 82% of the population doesn't want them to do.

Is Waffle Roffle wanded's new alt or something

When the government gets to decide which information is valid, they most frequently become the source of disinformation in order to control and brainwash a population.

Waffle_Roffle posted...

It's mostly the Biden admin's idea but I'm sure some Repubs don't mind it either.

The article I read said "Imagine how this organization would run under DeSantis?"

Realistically speaking I have no clue what this branch would even do. The government already has intelligence agencies that obtain and verify information, so it seems likely this is supposed to be for civilians? Maybe? But to what point? The people who need help figuring out the truth are already full on rejecting reality this isn't going to help them, in fact it's likely to make them even more likely to reject the truth.

The even worse scenario is if they try to do something about misinformation? Which would easily step into violations of the first amendment. And absolutely horrifying to imagine under a conspiracy theorist president which seems likely to happen in my life time.

This is just such bad optics.

Here's another article talking about it:
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-europe-united-states-freedom-of-speech-alejandro-mayorkas-69f658351103d4d049083ad20a713e2a

War is epic, freedom is cringe, ignorance is based.
>:v

jfc, Biden...

BlackScythe0 posted...

Realistically speaking I have no clue what this branch would even do.

that's the thing

the branch would do what they were already doing, just now it's publicly out there that they're doing it.

it's seriously only just consolidation

Hopefully whoever is the next president just plain gets rid of it since this is not something governments should ever do.

Adam_Savage posted...

that's the thing

the branch would do what they were already doing, just now it's publicly out there that they're doing it.

it's seriously only just consolidation

Consolidating all of their controversial and unethical actions doesn't make it better, it's just being brazen about their flagrant disregard for their people and maximising efficiency of fucking with you. It already existing is a bad thing.

yeah none of that is true or correct in the slightest

just like critical race theory, you don't understand what the purpose of this branch is in the slightest

shut the fuck up now, you don't even live here

your country also has a branch like this, every country does to some extent, some moreso than others

to not have one is stupid. we can use america as an example of the system not working, too, given that a little less than half the population bought into a garbage dump of misinformation the last six years

Adam_Savage posted...

yeah none of that is true or correct in the slightest

just like critical race theory, you don't understand what the purpose of this branch is in the slightest

shut the fuck up now, you don't even live here

your country also has a branch like this, every country does to some extent, some moreso than others

to not have one is stupid. we can use america as an example of the system not working, too, given that a little less than half the population bought into a garbage dump of misinformation the last six years

Only China and North Korea have anything close to a Ministry of Truth.

While misinformation is a big problem, I can see this being used to silence political opponents. Take Jan 6 for example. Even though trump was never charged with any wrong doing, he was still silenced for suggesting election fraud. If trump feels he was cheated, he should be able to say so, outside of libel and inciting violence.
Potentially the most dangerous mis information are the ones coming from official sources. False flags and such. Iran/contra type scandals and the like.

hungrymike posted...

While misinformation is a big problem, I can see this being used to silence political opponents. Take Jan 6 for example. Even though trump was never charged with any wrong doing, he was still silenced for suggesting election fraud. If trump feels he was cheated, he should be able to say so, outside of libel and inciting violence.
Potentially the most dangerous mis information are the ones coming from official sources. False flags and such. Iran/contra type scandals and the like.

0/10

"Libel and inciting violence"

Let's see... every single thing he's said has been traced back to something made up on the internet, and the result of that was him sending an angry mob to the capitol and told them that Democracy was literally under attack, which is terrorism if done on purpose, and yeah if he did it a little better he could have just turned America Fascist right then and there.

He's probably the worst president we've ever had. So if he evades all legal consequences like always, then people think that something has to be done.

hungrymike posted...

Even though trump was never charged with any wrong doing, he was still silenced for suggesting election fraud. If trump feels he was cheated, he should be able to say so, outside of libel and inciting violence.

If he had only "suggested" election fraud, no one would have given a shit.

Waffle_Roffle posted...

Wikipedia has liberal bias, by the way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiRgJYMw6YA

As does reality, so that tracks.

I also find it pretty funny you think anyone's just going to watch a random Youtube video in a political discussion, nevermind take it seriously.

hungrymike posted...

Even though trump was never charged with any wrong doing, he was still silenced for suggesting election fraud.

You have an odd definition of "silenced", considering he's never fucking shut up about it in the last two years.

Seriously, how can he be "silenced" when the government has not charged him with anything and he still routinely screams his falsehoods to anyone who will listen?

darkknight109 posted...

As does reality, so that tracks.

I also find it pretty funny you think anyone's just going to watch a random Youtube video in a political discussion, nevermind take it seriously.

Don't worry, I know most people tend to settle for mediocrity in life.

Most people are closed minded and stupid so I'm not surprised.