Board 8 > Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 6 - No King Rules Forever

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Player List

1. Sultan
2. Scare
3. Plum
4. Lopen
5.Tidus
6. changmas
7. htaeD
8. Han
9. IGCD
10.Sbell
11.Kirby321
12.Ranagrande
13.Mzero
14.Red

Do the right thing and make me king

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Do the right thing and make me king

holy cow! I could kiss you right now.

All hail Scare

Scare, you haven't answered my question yet

TidusOfTheX posted...

Scare, you haven't answered my question yet

I answer to no man

You all answer to me

give me a sec

This might also be interesting given the Scare failed push of day1

Hiw much time left till I get lynched?

masterplum posted...

Why do people think Han is scum?

Because I said Ben was Scum and was wrong

Yeesh Red hammering came out of nowhere. I thought I had more time to make my post and then, like, twenty other posts were made in the time it took to write my one >_> Anyway, repost from the last topic:

ScareChan posted...

We know there are 4 scum this game

[5] Han - Ulti, (Tidus), Scare, (Kirby), Masterplum, Crescent, Han, (Death)

Out of those 5 people on Han, 2 of them are now dead confirmed town, leaving you with myself, Plum, and Han who are not confirmed

in this theory you have Han as your scum. That means that either
A: You think that both Plum and I are town and neither of us are scum so scum had 0 factor in the King
B: Both Plum and I are scum and we took 3/4 of scum in a losing effort on Han
C: One of Plum or myself is scum and scum went 50/50 on who they backed yesterday

Just based on gameplay, taking my own perspective of me being town out of the equation and looking at it from someone completely uniformed, neither B or C makes sense either for the way Plum has played with either of myself or Han. Your most likely scenario for this to be true is Han and I to be scum together, and again even taking my perspective out of things, you haven't suspected me thus far

if there is always at least one scum between Lopen and Han its going to be Lopen. And even in a case where Han and Lopen are both scum that still makes Lopen scum! Lopen should always be who you should want lynched first between the two

Looking back on this, I think scenario C could still make sense. If Lopen and Han are both scum, then going 50/50 is a safe bet since it doesn't matter who gets Kinged since both would have the same scum agenda. Going all-in just provides an easy trail to follow.

I looked back at this post again, because I was thinking... if Tidus is scum, then I'm 90% sure Han has to be town. At least, if Scare's logic adds up, then if Tidus is scum, that would mean he knew for sure that Han was town, and that's why he made the mistake of saying Han was more likely to be scum when logically Lopen was the far likelier candidate. In other words, it was an attempt to paint Han as potential scum.

But again, that's if Scare's logic is infallible. Which... it might be? I understand why scenario B wouldn't make sense, but not so much scenario C.

Obellisk posted...

Hiw much time left till I get lynched?

72 hours.

I remember when Tidus came in and said "Han just says people are Scum or Town randomly".

Hey Tidus! Who did I not give explanations for? Please tell me.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

72 hours.

is that day 3 after you become king?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Because I said Ben was Scum and was wrong

Seems legit

Decree of the day: Accountability

As of now, consider me a blank canvas. You must paint the picture to determine how the day goes

Everyone needs to give me a list of everyone in the game that is alive, ranked with Town all the way down to Scum. Denote who your untouchables are and which players you would consider for the lynch today. I want a case on at least your bottom scum on the list, but prefer a case for everyone

The last two people to submit their lists will automatically be considered up for the lynch, in addition to who I deem up for the lynch based on what I receive from all of you

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I remember when Tidus came in and said "Han just says people are Scum or Town randomly".

Hey Tidus! Who did I not give explanations for? Please tell me.

Things like this are what I am talking about

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/79999835/964594934

Obellisk posted...

is that day 3 after you become king?

Maybe Red will get his wish and it will be MZero King.

Alright! I've already done this assignment!

I am not going looking for these
They all have to be here in this topic

TidusOfTheX posted...

Things like this are what I am talking about

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/79999835/964594934

That one was in direct response to Ben voting against me for King. You gotta read posts in context, you know?

I'm going to repost it after editing it for ease of digestion and more accurately fitting the criteria of your demands, my lord. Worry not

ScareChan posted...

Decree of the day: Accountability

As of now, consider me a blank canvas. You must paint the picture to determine how the day goes

Everyone needs to give me a list of everyone in the game that is alive, ranked with Town all the way down to Scum. Denote who your untouchables are and which players you would consider for the lynch today. I want a case on at least your bottom scum on the list, but prefer a case for everyone

The last two people to submit their lists will automatically be considered up for the lynch, in addition to who I deem up for the lynch based on what I receive from all of you

I have no idea who is highly town but my top 3 possible scum are:
Sbell
Lopen(pretty big gap between Lopen and Sbell)
Han

Sure... Kind of. I'm not spending the brain power to order them.

Townish

Kirby
Sultan
Death

Scummish
Red
Lopen
Tidus
Sbell

Red hammering king twice makes me worry he is some weird scum kingmaker power. Gives me Spiral Captain Hammer vibes in addition to my previous apathy. Lopen I've argued about for a while. Sbell and Tidus have both said things that have made me raise my eyebrows

TidusOfTheX posted...

I have no idea who is highly town b

Perfect example of suspect Tidus post

Neither of those have done as I have asked so far!

OFF WITH THElR HEADS, MY LORD.

Failure to comply automatically adds you to the pool

ScareChan posted...

Neither of those have done as I have asked so far!

Ok, well I'm not getting paid for this so...

Even if I ignore that you did not include everyone in your list, by saying its not in order also does not tell me who you feel most confident is scum. And none of what you said is a case. I asked for it all to be contained in this topic so saying you talked about Lopen for a while means nothing. The closest thing you had to a case was "Red keeps hammering" which is at most a statement and not a case

Here you go, I even logged onto a computer for this.

Town
SBell - hey there
Tidus - I watched his scum game last game, he says a lot of things that don't make sense or are very out of place, he's newer to the game, I feel I have a good read on him
Sultan - I've played with Sultan enough to sniff out his Town Game
Plum - feel his annoyance at the Kingmaker aspect is legit. Although its very fake-able (high on the town list, can easily fall fast)
IGCD - wants to lynch Han, feels right.

Middle of the Pack all interchangeable:
MZero
Death
Red
Chang - I waffle on Chang, one moment i feel good, then others I don't. I have to admit its likely how I make most of this game feel about me. Chang easily the first person I could likely move above middle.
Kirby
Scare

Scum:
Lopen - I just don't feel his actions came from a town place yesterday. I've heard his explanations, but still not good with it. I do believe at this moment he is scum.
Han - do not trust, falls back on our day 1 interaction, add in his contradictory posting regarding kings we need. I believe he is in fact scum this game.

Unjudgeable:
Ranga

NOTE: I realize i am putting both King Candidates of Day 1 as Scum. I acknowledge that absurdity, but don't deny its possibility. Likely one of them is removed from the bottom of the pile if the other flips scum.

ScareChan posted...

Decree of the day: Accountability

As of now, consider me a blank canvas. You must paint the picture to determine how the day goes

Everyone needs to give me a list of everyone in the game that is alive, ranked with Town all the way down to Scum. Denote who your untouchables are and which players you would consider for the lynch today. I want a case on at least your bottom scum on the list, but prefer a case for everyone

The last two people to submit their lists will automatically be considered up for the lynch, in addition to who I deem up for the lynch based on what I receive from all of you

I'll give you my untouchables and I'll give you a list after I see what is submitted by everyone else.

Untouchables
Sultan
Tidus

I'm just sure that neither is scum at the moment. Everyone else can be up in the air. After I see what else is posted, see what people post and their arguments I'll make my list based off of their effort and arguments.

ScareChan posted...

Decree of the day: Accountability

As of now, consider me a blank canvas. You must paint the picture to determine how the day goes

Everyone needs to give me a list of everyone in the game that is alive, ranked with Town all the way down to Scum. Denote who your untouchables are and which players you would consider for the lynch today. I want a case on at least your bottom scum on the list, but prefer a case for everyone

The last two people to submit their lists will automatically be considered up for the lynch, in addition to who I deem up for the lynch based on what I receive from all of you

Well I don't think that part in bold is fair. Guess I better hash out my list before I have to log off for the next several hours!
(Or well that would be a concern if Mzero and Rana weren't a part of this game)

[This list is ordered, even within tiers]

Town, for sure
changmas (Untouchable), Scare (King)

Likely Town
Han

Not enough info
Mzero, Ranagrande

Wary, but not enough to suspect of being Scum
Sbell, Death, Red, Plum, Sultan

Everyone else thinking he is town makes me completely unsure
IGCD

A bit more suspicious of
Lopen (lynch)

Likely scum
Tidus (lynch)

DEFINITELY scum
Kirby (Untouchable)

Tidus just seems super inconsistent. Not to mention he was championing Lopen's death yesterday was some bizarre plan, but today he's prioritizing Han's head instead. The only thing that makes me remotely hesitate is that Ben was so, so certain that Tidus was town.

Lopen is just kinda process of elimination, in a way. I think it makes sense for Tidus and Lopen to be a Mafia pair if Tidus flips Mafia (though if it's the other way around, I'm not sure what to make of that).

IGCD I just think did jack this entire day. But three or four people said he was town, so maybe I'm just completely misunderstanding him.

Also, I don't think Sbell and IGCD are both scum. Seems foolish to not band together to kill Han and instead go for King separately, one after the other, so I doubt they're both simultaneously scum, though I feel better about Sbell than IGCD.

I'm also not entirely sure what plum's presence has been these past two days. So I'm also on the fence about what to think of him. Same with Red.

I fully believe changmas' vig claim, and your breakdown on Tidus just seemed too genuine to fake.

By process of elimination, I believe Han has to be town if Tidus is scum, and I think Tidus is scum, so... that tracks.

Red I have no clue about. Death I could lean town on, but he's kinda in the same vein as Sbell right now if you ask me.

I dont have anyone as supertown, just as players I dont dislike

Also I cant really order them, but I can at least get a feel for everyone even if its just through one minor event.

Untouchables
Changmas (just because of the vigclaim really)

Likes
Red (This is mostly gut, I cannot explain it well. But red is doing that thing where I see eye to eye with him a lot)
Scare (Not really lynchable I know, but I got the idea that you care for the game moreso than usual)

Neutral
Lopen (already talked too much about him)
Kirby (Hard to get a bead on, has some weird logic sometimes but good logic at other times)
Sbell (I think he really did put in more effort today, and I have forgotten what he did wrong day1, I may need to look into that)
IGCD (cant read him, seems a little more active than usual, but hasnt done much for me)
Han (His attack on me seems forced. Other than that I dont really have anything against him.)

The suspects
Plum (Generally paranoid about things I dont think town would worry too much about)
Sultan (Here and there Sultan sometimes something I do not understand or do not follow as 'how did he come to this conclusion?'
Tidus (same thing as Sultan really. He looked better day1 IMO)

The big suspects
Mzero (conveniently disappeared day1 and is generally very inactive when scum)
Rana (really now comes across as a player unused to being scum in this new b8 environment the more silent he gets)

I appreciate Scare's decree btw.
Seeing other opinions may help crystallize (or shatter) some of my own ones.

Sbell- this game Sbell seems to be more genuine and very calculated. Provided solid content and seems to be reliable.

Kirby- i like Kirby's play it seems very hard to fake. I like Kirby calling out people on statements including calling me out on some of my posts. Id say Kirby seems the most town that I've seen all game. untouchableKirby

Town to scum likeness
IGCD
Plum
Lopen
Titus
Scare
Mzero
Death
Chang
Rana

Scum leans
Red- moves down on the list seems very lurky to me this game. Kept wanting to speed up the king elections. But did not provide much of what he wants or his reads.
Han- his power hungryness from day 1 gave me bad vibes. Han did point out he was wrong about Ben. His interactions in fighting with Sbell he looks like scum compared to town slight change its a town v town though. I haven't played with Han in a long time but I remember him being more pin pointy and had more to offer on everyone with his town reads and scum reads. Han also playing the scum fears me card throws up a red flag

Posted in wrong topic

Obellisk posted...

Han - do not trust, falls back on our day 1 interaction

This literally isn't true.

SBell the king of liars this game

Actually Sbell reminded me of the Han king contradiction thing.
Dont know if thats big enough for me to shift him down to suspect. But its one other thing to have against him I guess, even if Han himself disagrees on the definition of 'games'

I also wonder...
If scum killed both Ulti and Ben, wuld scum want to fake a vig on Ben or Ulti?

Wait
someone is getting replaced.
Well I dont think Scare is gonna murder anyone before that happens, but still have to keep an eye on that

@ScareChan ping me when the rest of the games have their lists in or if you're coming up on the deadline for submission.

I'm going to be out for the next couple of hours.

But I have to say, it's pretty incredible seeing how diverse everyone's opinions on scum/town are. This was a great opener to the king phase for sure and tells us a lot about where everyone stands.

That's a very risky play igcd, we will see how that goes for you

Fastbreak posted...

That's a very risky play igcd, we will see how that goes for you

Just give me like an hour notice for your deadline so I can catch up.

htaeD posted...

I also wonder...
If scum killed both Ulti and Ben, wuld scum want to fake a vig on Ben or Ulti?

Id think Ulti right?

Though some people thought Ben looked scummy yesterday so either?

htaeD posted...

Wait
someone is getting replaced.
Well I dont think Scare is gonna murder anyone before that happens, but still have to keep an eye on that

Had no clue what you were talking about until I saw my notifications.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/79987884/964666699

So if Rana doesn't get replaced, is that a modkill, then?

I'll say that I have no intentions of ending day right away once the lists come in or anything

Yeah I figured