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joe40001
03/15/22 9:23:27 PM
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Episode description:
Daryl Davis is a musician, activist, and author of "Klan-Destine Relationships: A Black Man's Odyssey in the Ku Klux Klan." Bill Ottman is an Internet entrepreneur, free speech activist, and CEO of Minds, a blockchain based social network. Davis and Ottman have launched #ChangeMinds: a new deradicalization initiative based upon the idea that deplatforming actually intensifies extremism.

The episode is about free speech and also social media, and it features Daryl Davis who is basically a free speech hero of mine.

Daryl, if you don't know, has been able to get over 200 people to leave the KKK just by talking with them. He is, in my mind, crystal clear evidence of how you don't fight hate with hate, but rather you fight it best with free-speech.

I'll let Daryl explain his mindset/approach:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvMNaDDfrN0

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Naysaspace
03/15/22 9:24:14 PM
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joe40001 posted...
CEO of Minds, a blockchain based social network


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joe40001
03/16/22 12:04:47 AM
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bump

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Jiek_Fafn
03/16/22 12:07:30 AM
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I now suspect that Joe numbers is actually Joe Rogan

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hockeybub89
03/16/22 12:08:49 AM
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Klan members can eat shit and fuck off

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Suikoden420
03/16/22 12:13:45 AM
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Daryl is truly inspirational. Is this his second time on the podcast? Seen some interviews of him a few years ago that helped me work through some of my own stuff by just talking to people rather than shutting them out.

We need to start communicating with people we disagree with, rather than turning our backs and mocking them.

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joe40001
03/16/22 12:15:30 AM
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Suikoden420 posted...
Daryl is truly inspirational. Is this his second time on the podcast?

Yes, I am pretty sure it is.

Seen some interviews of him a few years ago that helped me work through some of my own stuff by just talking to people rather than shutting them out.

We need to start communicating with people we disagree with, rather than turning our backs and mocking them.

I absolutely agree.

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MutantJohn
03/16/22 12:15:55 AM
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Suikoden420 posted...
Daryl is truly inspirational. Is this his second time on the podcast? Seen some interviews of him a few years ago that helped me work through some of my own stuff by just talking to people rather than shutting them out.

We need to start communicating with people we disagree with, rather than turning our backs and mocking them.
Don't say this to CE lefties

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creativerealms
03/16/22 12:17:03 AM
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Nice that he has people on his show who try to deradicalize people. Nice break from those who work to radicalize others.

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hockeybub89
03/16/22 12:22:28 AM
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Absolutely disgusting for you dudes to frame hateful bigots as victims with "differing opinions" who shouldn't be "combated with hate".

Apparently you guys hate free speech since it doesn't apply when someone exercises their free speech to shoot back at bullies.

Life is too short for most people to waste time befriending those that want to oppress and kill them. Barely enough time for far less difficult relationships.

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dioxxys
03/16/22 12:26:17 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Life is too short for most people to waste time befriending those that want to oppress and kill them. Barely enough time for far less difficult relationships.
Well this part is true but hey, we got a wonderful person like Daryl who has managed to convince many hateful people to drop their hoods
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MutantJohn
03/16/22 12:30:52 AM
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hockeybub wants to put all the bigots in one big camp. Like some sort of a systematic extermination campaign.

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AngelsNAirwav3s
03/16/22 12:32:11 AM
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MutantJohn posted...
hockeybub wants to put all the bigots in one big camp. Like some sort of a systematic extermination campaign.

He should probably talk to someone like Daryl about giving up all of this hate in his heart tbqh

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averagejoel
03/16/22 12:33:24 AM
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dioxxys posted...
Well this part is true but hey, we got a wonderful person like Daryl who has managed to convince many hateful people to drop their hoods
there are more productive (and less dangerous) ways for people to make a difference in their community

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hockeybub89
03/16/22 12:36:42 AM
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MutantJohn posted...
hockeybub wants to put all the bigots in one big camp. Like some sort of a systematic extermination campaign.
Fascists are trying to commit genocide on LGBTQ Americans, but I'm the real anti-free speech bigot because I think they're awful people who should shut the fuck up.

I think Joe Numbers sincerely looks up to Daryl. You, on the other hand, are just going to bat for horrible people because it triggers the left and hurts what you feel is their agenda.

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Smackems
03/16/22 12:37:02 AM
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Alt right Daryl Davis

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hockeybub89
03/16/22 12:37:39 AM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
He should probably talk to someone like Daryl about giving up all of this hate in his heart tbqh
Stop hating gay people.

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averagejoel
03/16/22 12:39:54 AM
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joe40001 posted...
a new deradicalization initiative based upon the idea that deplatforming actually intensifies extremism.
is there any evidence at all to support this idea?

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hockeybub89
03/16/22 12:42:53 AM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

For only about 2 years more. The genocide will not end at trans people if Republicans win again. We blameless victims don't have enough time to poltiely convince every human being in America to stop hating us for being born in a way that offends them. Our very lives are at risk right now because bigots are trying to force their free speech into codified law.

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hockeybub89
03/16/22 12:50:13 AM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

The Daryl Davis strategy is not feasible for a widescale, rather immediate social change. Hate has been going on against people like us for thousands of years. We need to be protected, not obligated to convince everyone that we deserve protection.

Bigots are making bad choices and they have the agency to stop making them. Intentional or not, putting the onus on the oppressed is victim blaming.

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Suikoden420
03/16/22 12:52:47 AM
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So you children of the world
Listen to what I say
If you want a better place to live in
Spread the words today
Show the world that love is still alive you must be brave
Or you children of today are children of the grave, yeah

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Sad_Face
03/16/22 12:58:26 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
The Daryl Davis strategy is not feasible for a widescale, rather immediate social change.
And why do you believe such a thing when this guy has proven his methods work?

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dioxxys
03/16/22 12:58:56 AM
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averagejoel posted...
there are more productive (and less dangerous) ways for people to make a difference in their community
true but Daryl is awesome
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averagejoel
03/16/22 1:01:41 AM
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Sad_Face posted...
And why do you believe such a thing when this guy has proven his methods work?
he's proven that they have worked on ~200 specific people when he specifically is doing the "converting" (or whatever you want to call it)

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Shablagoo
03/16/22 1:03:48 AM
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Whos being deplatformed?

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averagejoel
03/16/22 1:05:10 AM
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dioxxys posted...
true but Daryl is awesome
I don't particularly care about him. the results of what he does are not extrapolatable.

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Gobstoppers12
03/16/22 1:07:54 AM
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There's a lot of truth and wisdom in this notion:

"Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction. So when Jesus says Love your enemies, he is setting forth a profound and ultimately inescapable admonition."

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toadfan64
03/16/22 1:15:38 AM
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Dudes a saint and it amazes me folks have the gall to shit talk what he does. More productive than anything they'll ever do.

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Tyranthraxus
03/16/22 1:18:28 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
There's a lot of truth and wisdom in this notion:

"Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction. So when Jesus says Love your enemies, he is setting forth a profound and ultimately inescapable admonition."

By the way how did loving thy enemies work out for Jesus Christ can you remind me I forgot.

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averagejoel
03/16/22 1:18:30 AM
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toadfan64 posted...
Dudes a saint and it amazes me folks have the gall to shit talk what he does. More productive than anything they'll ever do.
you are drastically overestimating the impact of action taken at the individual level

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squall567
03/16/22 1:18:40 AM
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Hope all you folks who glorify this talking approach would also say the same thing against Putin. Just talk to him right?
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Gobstoppers12
03/16/22 1:25:54 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
By the way how did loving thy enemies work out for Jesus Christ can you remind me I forgot.
He sacrificed himself to absolve the sins of all humanity, returned to life three days later, and then ascended directly into heaven.

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averagejoel
03/16/22 1:29:22 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
There's a lot of truth and wisdom in this notion:

"Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction. So when Jesus says Love your enemies, he is setting forth a profound and ultimately inescapable admonition."
so... you think that getting a KKK member kicked off social media is continuing a "descending spiral of destruction"?

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toadfan64
03/16/22 1:31:29 AM
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averagejoel posted...

you are drastically overestimating the impact of action taken at the individual level

You sound like a miserable person

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Tyranthraxus
03/16/22 1:33:43 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
He sacrificed himself to absolve the sins of all humanity, returned to life three days later, and then ascended directly into heaven.

Strange. I have a vague memory of being betrayed by his best friend. His other friends pretending not to know him, being condemned to death by the very people he tried to help, the state did absolutely nothing to protect him, then tortured him, upon where he doubts his faith shortly before being executed publicly.

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averagejoel
03/16/22 1:35:44 AM
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toadfan64 posted...
You sound like a miserable person
tbh some things could be better for me right now, but on the whole I'm doing pretty okay. certainly nowhere near miserable. you probably shouldn't make shit up about people just because they say something that you don't like

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Jx1010
03/16/22 1:36:28 AM
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Wow very interesting about this guy and how he deals with hate. I will have to watch the video TC, curious to hear from that man.

Suikoden420 posted...
Daryl is truly inspirational. Is this his second time on the podcast? Seen some interviews of him a few years ago that helped me work through some of my own stuff by just talking to people rather than shutting them out.

We need to start communicating with people we disagree with, rather than turning our backs and mocking them.
Yes I always agreed with this. People need to start coming together more and talking more.


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iPhone_7
03/16/22 1:55:55 AM
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Self-hating black man that pals around with white supremacists. He was a speaker at an Alt-Right event & leftist protesters rightfully got the event shut down & shouted at his face. Take that fascists!
But seriously though the man seems to have done good work with deradicalizing KKK members. Shame how hes just written off by folks.

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Suikoden420
03/16/22 2:08:08 AM
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The people ITT that disagree with this approach should test it out for themselves.

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Lost_All_Senses
03/16/22 2:18:44 AM
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I don't remember anything I watch. But I do remember Davis talking about that hotel room meeting with a top klan member. That shit sounded tense as hell. And I really believe there are open minds that just never got to breath in the right environment around the right people. Nobody should be obligated to baby those people, but if someone takes it upon themselves to, they're a hero in my book. That's the type of shit I preach but am too lazy and anxious to go do.

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Smackems
03/16/22 4:13:49 AM
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Some salty ass mofos up in here

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ShineboxPhil
03/16/22 5:32:46 AM
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Suikoden420 posted...
The people ITT that disagree with this approach should test it out for themselves.

these same people who are critical of Daryl Davis' approach are socially awkward shut-ins that can't engage other people.

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joe40001
03/16/22 5:59:38 AM
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ShineboxPhil posted...
these same people who are critical of Daryl Davis' approach are socially awkward shut-ins that can't engage other people.

While I think critics of Daryl are wrong. I also think in the spirit of his mindset, insulting or in any way "hating" his critics would be missing the point of his message.

I'm not saying that was your goal. Just highlighting Daryl's message.

I strongly disagree with people who hate Daryl (particularly considering all he's accomplished fighting intolerance), but I respect their right to say it, and try my best not to ever attack them personally, just challenge ideas/perceptions they have that aren't right.

And like many have said, we can't be calm all the time, but it's still a great ideal to aspire to in contentious conversation. To listen, not hate, and try to offer a better perception..

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BlackBlueButts
03/16/22 6:08:22 AM
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Daryl is a good guy, but do you see why he differs so much from you?

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Umbreon
03/16/22 6:12:17 AM
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People ITT really acting like Daryl Davis is the only person who tried to appeal to the humanity of terrible people.

For every one of him, I'd wager there's a thousand dead people who tried to reach out to bigots, racists, and hate groups, only to be killed in response.

It's great that he got some members of the KKK to change their ways, but it doesn't stop each and every KKK from being scum that should be treated as so. These are murderers, their end goal is killing people for being born different. No one is to blame for not wanting to risk their neck trying to associate with such monsters.


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hockeybub89
03/16/22 6:50:15 AM
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joe40001 posted...


And like many have said, we can't be calm all the time, but it's still a great ideal to aspire to in contentious conversation. To listen, not hate, and try to offer a better perception..
It's not cute to keep accusing innocent people of hate for choosing not to engage in good faith with those hateful people who want to oppress and kill them.

It's a shitty way of normalizing the racism and homophobia, as if they're all just victims too. Poor, misguided souls looking for friends and conversation, but instead receiving "hate" and being dehumanized, giving them little choice but to make the decisions to hate minorities for being born.

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joe40001
03/16/22 6:58:50 AM
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Umbreon posted...
People ITT really acting like Daryl Davis is the only person who tried to appeal to the humanity of terrible people.

For every one of him, I'd wager there's a thousand dead people who tried to reach out to bigots, racists, and hate groups, only to be killed in response.

It's great that he got some members of the KKK to change their ways, but it doesn't stop each and every KKK from being scum that should be treated as so. These are murderers, their end goal is killing people for being born different. No one is to blame for not wanting to risk their neck trying to associate with such monsters.

I don't think anybody thinks others are obligated to talk to such people. But I think Daryl shows the power and the good that can be done if you do. (And how "treating them as scum" is not productive)

I wouldn't blame anybody for feeling strong negative emotions towards bigotry. But I am happy there are patient people in the world would face others the way he does. Whether it's him with the KKK or even just a person speaking to a hostile family member with civility, moving people away from hate and towards a common compassionate understanding of humanity is always a positive in my book.

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