Current Events > Tesla to recall 475k cars in US

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https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1476593883219836930

A safety report, submitted this month, estimates that around 1% of recalled Model 3s may have a defective rear-view camera.

oh that aint that bad

A further 119,009 Model S vehicles will also be recalled because of potential problems with the front trunk

Excuse me the what?

My car doesnt even have a rear view camera or an in-car tv screen. Why do they need to be recalled over it?

lilORANG posted...

A further 119,009 Model S vehicles will also be recalled because of potential problems with the front trunk

Excuse me the what?

There's a storage space under the hood, instead of an engine.

Recalls almost always sound way more serious than they are. It's practically click bait.

Not surprising
https://electrek.co/2020/06/24/tesla-ranks-lowest-on-j-d-power-2020-quality-study/

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-reliability-model-s-3-x-y-consumer-reports-satisfaction-2021-11

Kloe_Rinz posted...

My car doesnt even have a rear view camera or an in-car tv screen. Why do they need to be recalled over it?

Its a legal thing, all cars made after 2018? or so are required to have a working backup camera.

Pepys Monster posted...

There's a storage space under the hood, instead of an engine.

Much innovation. Wow. This is why Master Elon is the richest man alive

Pepys Monster posted...

There's a storage space under the hood, instead of an engine.

Not in all teslas

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/8/4/AAd2inAACwUI.jpg

pogo_rabid posted...

Not surprising
https://electrek.co/2020/06/24/tesla-ranks-lowest-on-j-d-power-2020-quality-study/

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-reliability-model-s-3-x-y-consumer-reports-satisfaction-2021-11

strangely. It says Tesla ranks 1 in customer statisfaction

Materus posted...

Its a legal thing, all cars made after 2018? or so are required to have a working backup camera.

Geez. I'm starting to kinda really want a new car tbh, with all the fancy-ass features they have.

...then I go to the gas station and am reminded just how goddamn fuel-efficient my old Toyota is, and now I don't want a fancy new one anymore (though I still would like to replace the radio with a newer one).

I got this email. I scheduled the service appointment for the 5th. I'm hoping they can come to my home to do it, but if not, they'll just reschedule it and tell me I'll have to take it to a service center.

darkprince45 posted...

strangely. It says Tesla ranks 1 in customer statisfaction

Apple could put out a super shitty iphone and it's cult of customers would report being extremely satisfied with it as well. That type of customer has a high overlap with tesla.

You know it, I know it, everyone knows it, and to pretend otherwise is just you being disingenous or lying to yourself.

pogo_rabid posted...

Apple could put out a super shitty iphone and it's cult of customers would report being extremely satisfied with it as well. That type of customer has a high overlap with tesla.

You know it, I know it, everyone knows it, and to pretend otherwise is just you being disingenous or lying to yourself.

Here comes the stereotypical Apple/tesla hatewagon

Trumble posted...

Geez. I'm starting to kinda really want a new car tbh, with all the fancy-ass features they have.

...then I go to the gas station and am reminded just how goddamn fuel-efficient my old Toyota is, and now I don't want a fancy new one anymore (though I still would like to replace the radio with a newer one).

Backup cameras ate great.

But keep running that Toyota into the ground until it actually becomes a negative investment to repair.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Here comes the stereotypical Apple/tesla hatewagon

@ me when tesla dumps their extremely anticonsumer/anti right to repair stance and starts selling parts to third party shops/private parties like every other manufacturer out there so people can repair their own shit. Until then, the company can go fuck itself.

aight I'm getting a Polestar

pogo_rabid posted...

@ me when tesla dumps their extremely anticonsumer/anti right to repair stance and starts selling parts to third party shops/private parties like every other manufacturer out there so people can repair their own s***. Until then, the company can go f*** itself.

Tesla does sell parts to third party shops. It requires the shops to go through some sort of certification process, though, in order to buy parts. I'm not sure what that process entails. There are a number of 3rd party shops that are certified and able to buy parts from Tesla. There needs to be more, but they do exist.

Tesla is the new Ford Pinto it seems

"bring your tesla to the dealership so we can check and replace your back camera"

"Tesla really losing it"

pogo_rabid posted...

@ me when tesla dumps their extremely anticonsumer/anti right to repair stance and starts selling parts to third party shops/private parties like every other manufacturer out there so people can repair their own shit. Until then, the company can go fuck itself.

the problem is, when someone fixes their own Tesla and fucks up some automated system and causes a crash, who gets sued? Tesla or the person who fixed their own car?

Yes, it's just like apple's retried certified repair center program that was hailed as one of the most anticonsumer by right to repair advocacy groups. The current situation is so bad that it spawned a whole underground tesla part trading ring, where they strip wrecked teslas for parts and repair them on the downlow so tesla doesn't find out and remotely disable features on your car because you replace parts like a suspension bit, or a body panel, then hold your car ransom behind a 5 figure "recertification fee".

Until you can roll up to a tesla service center, ask for a part, pay for said part, and roll out with that part without having to go through any sort of bullshit...again, just like how every other auto manufacturer does with electric or ICE cars, you're not going to convince anyone that a turd is not a turd.

Holy shit!

KaZooo posted...

Backup cameras ate great.

But keep running that Toyota into the ground until it actually becomes a negative investment to repair.

I suspect it'll be outlawed under some blanket "any car before year X" ban that's nominally about fuel efficiency, before it dies. Even though the gas mileage I get in it is literally better than some hybrids.

pogo_rabid posted...

Yes, it's just like apple's retried certified repair center program that was hailed as one of the most anticonsumer by right to repair advocacy groups. The current situation is so bad that it spawned a whole underground tesla part trading ring, where they strip wrecked teslas for parts and repair them on the downlow so tesla doesn't find out and remotely disable features on your car because you replace parts like a suspension bit, or a body panel, then hold your car ransom behind a 5 figure "recertification fee".

Until you can roll up to a tesla service center, ask for a part, pay for said part, and roll out with that part without having to go through any sort of bullshit...again, just like how every other auto manufacturer does with electric or ICE cars, you're not going to convince anyone that a turd is not a turd.

I mean, I'm also of the mind that Tesla needs to improve the way they handle this, but I'm really not sure why you're so angry about it.

darkprince45 posted...

A safety report, submitted this month, estimates that around 1% of recalled Model 3s may have a defective rear-view camera.

oh that aint that bad

Yeah, I usually like to put some butter on my review cam before I drive.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Recalls almost always sound way more serious than they are. It's practically click bait.

Yep, it is.

Unless you're GM. Their electric vehicle recall was because the car would explode. They still haven't figured it out so they tell you not to park near buildings if you still got one.

But ya know, legacy auto sure "knows how to make a car" lol

Kloe_Rinz posted...

My car doesnt even have a rear view camera or an in-car tv screen. Why do they need to be recalled over it?

That's how the freaking car operates.

thronedfire2 posted...

the problem is, when someone fixes their own Tesla and fucks up some automated system and causes a crash, who gets sued? Tesla or the person who fixed their own car?

You're implying that tesla is the only auto manufacturer that has these systems. Their "autopilot" is just glorified lane assist with adaptive cruise control and crash avoidance which is found on the majority of major brands as options. Hell, cadillac has a more advanced system on their high end models in the form of supercruise. Tesla just markets their "autopilot" solution as something that it's not.

With Mercedes, GM, Lexus, ect.. that all have these same systems, you can just buy the parts straight from the manufacturer, install them yourself in your driveway if you want, and there is zero issue.

lilORANG posted...

A further 119,009 Model S vehicles will also be recalled because of potential problems with the front trunk

Excuse me the what?

frunk

pogo_rabid posted...

You're implying that tesla is the only auto manufacturer that has these systems. Their "autopilot" is just glorified lane assist with adaptive cruise control and crash avoidance which is found on the majority of major brands as options. Hell, cadillac has a more advanced system on their high end models in the form of supercruise. Tesla just markets their "autopilot" solution as something that it's not.

With Mercedes, GM, Lexus, ect.. that all have these same systems, you can just buy the parts straight from the manufacturer, install them yourself in your driveway if you want, and there is zero issue.

Tesla's autopilot is more than just lane assist with adaptive cruise control. This has been explained to you before, but you don't seem to want to understand.

HylianFox posted...

Tesla is the new Ford Pinto it seems

Hahahaha, oh man.

thronedfire2 posted...

the problem is, when someone fixes their own Tesla and fucks up some automated system and causes a crash, who gets sued? Tesla or the person who fixed their own car?

The second one.

cheap fix:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/0/3/AAEhCpAACwUb.jpg

CableZL posted...

Tesla's autopilot is more than just lane assist with adaptive cruise control. This has been explained to you before, but you don't seem to want to understand.

No, you failed to convince me otherwise last time. It's those features, "glorified" because it's integrated with GPS that detects road signs.

Again, this is tesla marketing selling the system as something it's not and people like you are drinking the cool aid because you're deep down the rabbit hole of being on team tesla.

pogo_rabid posted...

No, you failed to convince me otherwise last time. It's those features, "glorified" because it's integrated with GPS that detects road signs.

No, you're just wrong and you want to stick your fingers in your ears.

pogo_rabid posted...

Apple could put out a super shitty iphone and it's cult of customers would report being extremely satisfied with it as well. That type of customer has a high overlap with tesla.

You know it, I know it, everyone knows it, and to pretend otherwise is just you being disingenous or lying to yourself.

Sounds like you just really hate Apple.

You should calm down a little bit.

CableZL posted...

No, you're just wrong and you want to stick your fingers in your ears.

No, you're just repeating the same misinformation over and over hoping that people eventually believe it's the truth.

I mean, if it works for donald trump, it can't be all that bad of a strat. I'm not biting, however.

pogo_rabid posted...

No, you're just repeating the same misinformation over and over hoping that people eventually believe it's the truth.

I mean, if it works for donald trump, it can't be all that bad of a strat. I'm not biting, however.

>someone tells you something
>"YOU'RE JUST A SHILL FOR THAT COMPANY!" or "I KNOW HOW IT WORKS EVEN THOUGH YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT IT THAN I DO!"

That's your argument lmao.

Tell us where Apple and Tesla touched you and we'll make sure it doesn't happen again.

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Sounds like you just really hate Apple.

You should calm down a little bit.

I hate any company that is anticonsumer/anti right to repair, and design their products to be nonrepairable by the customer. Not only is this anticonsumer, but it contributes to the global e-waste problem by a massive margin. I'll stop once they stop their bad practices.

These multinational companies are not your friends. I will never understand the mindset people who go to bat for them because they like the product the make.

pogo_rabid posted...

No, you're just repeating the same misinformation over and over hoping that people eventually believe it's the truth.

I mean, if it works for donald trump, it can't be all that bad of a strat. I'm not biting, however.

OK, so again:

Tesla Navigate On Autopilot features:

• Automatic collision avoidance (If a car moves into your lane, the car will automatically move to avoid the collision if there is room to do so. Not perfect, but I've seen it work multiple times.)
• Automatic lane changes
• Ability to detect a faster lane and move into it (optional)
• Ability to navigate through interchanges on its own
• Autopark (available on other cars)
• Summon (available on other cars)
• Smart summon (Car will navigate through a parking lot on its own either to you or to a designated spot)

Also, the cars the front-facing cameras to read stop signs and speed limit signs.

You're just going to stick your fingers in your ears either way, but you're just factually wrong.

Hell, on Christmas morning, my car drove itself from my garage all the way to my mom's house on its own. City streets included. But sure, it's "just glorified lane assist with adaptive cruise control."

I fail to see how those extra features are not just derivatives of lane assist and crash avoidance integrated with gps.

And Mercedes has been doing speed limit sign recognition since 2008, with it being integrated with their adaptive cruise control in more recent years. GM's supercruise does the same thing.

https://media.daimler.com/marsMediaSite/en/instance/ko/Speed- Limit-Assist-Electronic-image-processing-system-detects-speed-limit-signs-as- the-car-drives-past-them.xhtml?oid=9361557
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/6/AAd2inAACwUo.png

pogo_rabid posted...

I fail to see how those extra features are not just derivatives of lane assist and crash avoidance integrated with gps.

Lane assist simply keeps you in your lane as the car drives down the highway. That has nothing to do with the car automatically detecting a faster lane and moving into it, the car moving itself out of the passing lane if it isn't passing cars, or navigating interchanges.

I also never claimed other manufacturers weren't doing lane assist and speed limit detection beforehand. You're the one who claimed Teslas "just use GPS to detect road signs" when they use cameras to do so.

It's almost like you have no idea what you're talking about.

No. Lane assist uses machine learning to make the car aware of it's place within a space via known lane widths and cameras recognizing road markings. Just because a car isn't on a road, it still uses the same exact method to operate within a parking lot, it's just using a slightly different algorithm to use that same exact tech to achieve a different outcome.

pogo_rabid posted...

No. Lane assist uses machine learning to make the car aware of it's place within a space via known lane widths and cameras recognizing road markings.

In other words lane assist keeps the car in a lane as it travels down a highway.

What Tesla does with navigate on autopilot is more than that, as I have already explained.

CableZL posted...

In other words lane assist keeps the car in a lane as it travels down a highway.

Yes, it also keeps the car in a lane in the parking lot, recognizing parking space markings as a place to park using the same tech, but a different operating methodology when it switches to "parking mode" from "driving mode".

It uses the same crash avoidance systems it uses on the street to recognize occupied spaces from free ones.

It uses the adaptive cruise control to move about the parking lot at speed.

All tesla did was take the same established tech that was out there and wrote software for it to operate in a different way.

EDIT: And mind you, VW group had been testing that same kind of features years before tesla ever deployed it, but they didn't package and sell it in the same way tesla did because of legal liability/straight up not getting approval from governing bodies. Tesla just yolo'd it, ate the fines and used the customers as beta testers for an unproven product. All for the sake of making a name for themselves. It was an irresponsible, and honestly dangerous play for them to make.

pogo_rabid posted...

Yes, it also keeps the car in a lane in the parking lot, recognizing parking space markings as a place to park using the same tech, but a different operating methodology when it switches to "parking mode" from "driving mode".

And no, it's not the exact same method to operate within a parking lot. Lane assist keeps you in a lane on a road. You can interchange parking lot, city street, highway, etc here, yes, but it's still not the same.

Smart summon:

• Car takes itself out of park
• Drives out of its parking spot
• Navigates itself either to you or a designated spot, which includes:
• Stopping at an intersection in the parking lot and waiting for pedestrians and traffic to clear.
• Uses turn signals to indicate which direction it is going to turn as it navigates through the intersections
• Driving itself around objects as long as they are detected (like other cars coming the opposite direction or pedestrians either walking or stopped)

Other cars don't do that and you know it. Or maybe you don't and you're just trying to keep up the lie.

CableZL posted...

Other cars don't do that and you know it.

pogo_rabid posted...

All tesla did was take the same established tech that was out there and wrote software for it to operate in a different way

Since we're just repeating the same things over and over, lets just end it here. We've both dug our heels in and honestly this is boring/pointless. We'll just have to recognize we won't come to an agreement on this.