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Zikten 12/13/21 5:15:57 PM #1: |
I stopped playing WoW but I saw this video, and watched just to see whats going on now with Shadowlands almost complete. Major retcon and twist in story of Sylvanas https://youtu.be/Ay0kAVRyyok ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 12/13/21 5:16:39 PM #2: |
It's the worst possible kind of copout "redemption". WoW writers are absolute hacks. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarthAragorn 12/13/21 5:17:47 PM #3: |
lmao jfc blizzard --- MSI MEG X570 Unify | Ryzen 7 5800X | 32GB DDR4-3600 | RTX 3080 Samsung Odyssey G7 32" - 1440p, 240hz, GSync ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AwesomeFawful 12/13/21 5:18:32 PM #4: |
That's sounds fucking stupid and lazy --- "Socialism is when the government does stuff, and it's more socialism the more stuff it does, and when it does a real lot of stuff, that's communism!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EmbraceOfDeath 12/13/21 5:23:21 PM #5: |
Meanwhile, Endwalker just delivered a satisfying conclusion to the FFXIV story that has been going on since 2.0, and it's clear they planned out the important story beats at least before Shadowbringers came out, if not earlier. Not to mention how much more well written and fleshed out the world is as a whole than in WoW. --- PSN/GT: BigDaffej ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkRoast 12/13/21 5:23:30 PM #6: |
Plot twist: You're the Lich King all along --- Razer Blade 15 - Core i7 9750H, RTX 2080 Max-Q, 32 GB DDR4 2666 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gamerguymass 12/13/21 5:25:19 PM #7: |
Its pretty obvious that the writers don't care anymore. Not to mention they retcon everything all the damn time. I just want to know why they hate the Night Elves so much? They have done nothing but constantly shit on them since WoW started. --- Now Playing: "The Hunt for the Two Missing Nintendo 64 Games" An expansion came out, but I'm still a third of the way through! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Funkydog 12/13/21 5:26:40 PM #8: |
"And then it was all a dream" would be better tbh. --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doe 12/13/21 5:27:30 PM #9: |
yeesh at all the comments like "man this is like blizzard talking to themselves... woah" --- https://i.imgur.com/u5kY6Yt.gif https://i.imgur.com/V6HBhkR.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Inferno Dive Dragoon 12/13/21 5:30:00 PM #10: |
What a crock of shit, and I say that as someone that used to actually like Sylvanas. So glad I dropped this game before Warlords released. Literally fucking Kerrigan 2.0, and that was BS too the first time around. --- TCF ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jiek_Fafn 12/13/21 5:50:38 PM #11: |
The real Sylvanas were the friends we made along the way --- I don't believe in belts. There should be no ranking system for toughness. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Redwarz 12/13/21 7:09:31 PM #12: |
The problem is the player character in WoW doesn't have any agency in the story. You run around and do menial tasks or put the ground work in weakening the big bad just for someone more important to show up and steal the show. WoW was always good at lore and world building but ever since this shift to character based stories that game has fumbled. Blizzard writes bad characters but good worlds. Shadowlands lore wise was interesting before we started learning about the characters there. --- Currently Playing: Nights of Azure, World of Warcraft, Senran Kagura Estival Versus ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThePrinceFish 12/13/21 7:10:26 PM #13: |
Horrible, horrible writing. Someone put Warcraft out of its misery. --- Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 12/13/21 7:11:08 PM #14: |
This is like Hal Jordan levels of bullshit --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 12/13/21 7:11:13 PM #15: |
that's not a retcon at all. Getting killed by Frostmourne literally split her soul in two. Same thing that happened with Uther, that's why he was evil. But at the end of the last raid she got the other half of her soul back, The Jailer had it before. --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dakimakura 12/13/21 7:11:58 PM #16: |
haha you can't kill off the star of the series. nice try losers. --- The greatest Warcraft hero ever my queen the black lady Sylvanas Windrunner: https://i.imgur.com/J9Vhyjv.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 12/13/21 7:14:02 PM #17: |
thronedfire2 posted... that's not a retcon at all. Getting killed by Frostmourne literally split her soul in two. Same thing that happened with Uther, that's why he was evil. But at the end of the last raid she got the other half of her soul back, The Jailer had it before. So basically she's simultaneously fridged and damseled. Congrats blizz. Real quality writing. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 12/13/21 7:27:49 PM #18: |
thronedfire2 posted... that's not a retcon at all. Getting killed by Frostmourne literally split her soul in two. Same thing that happened with Uther, that's why he was evil. But at the end of the last raid she got the other half of her soul back, The Jailer had it before. I mean a retcon for the entire series . Going all the way back to warcraft 3. I'm not aware of anyone ever talking about 2 halves of a soul for Uther or Sylvanas until Shadowlands launched ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AngelicRadiance 12/13/21 7:29:22 PM #19: |
There's no such thing as a nice Sylvanas --- She/Her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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xGhostchantx 12/13/21 7:33:40 PM #20: |
lmao ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 12/13/21 7:33:53 PM #21: |
AngelicRadiance posted... There's no such thing as a nice Sylvanas Before she died. Her mortal living elf self ... Copied to Clipboard!
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xGhostchantx 12/13/21 7:35:55 PM #23: |
Zikten posted... I mean a retcon for the entire series . Going all the way back to warcraft 3. I'm not aware of anyone ever talking about 2 halves of a soul for Uther or Sylvanas until Shadowlands launched There never was, which makes it technically not a retcon, but still fucking stupid. Retcons aren't retcons if they expand on something that was never stated previously. All they ever really said is she was brought back as a banshee. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 12/13/21 7:39:30 PM #24: |
xGhostchantx posted... There never was, which makes it technically not a retcon, but still fucking stupid. Retcons aren't retcons if they expand on something that was never stated previously. All they ever really said is she was brought back as a banshee. So is there an evil and good version of literally everyone Arthas killed in WC3 because God damn he killed a lot of fucking people. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 12/13/21 7:45:43 PM #25: |
Tyranthraxus posted... So is there an evil and good version of literally everyone Arthas killed in WC3 because God damn he killed a lot of fucking people. no, she only had a good and evil version because he brought her back as a banshee and she regained control of herself. you know the thousands and thousands of souls we rescue from the maw? and all the twisted mobs? that's all the random deaths in the series --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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xGhostchantx 12/13/21 7:46:05 PM #26: |
Tyranthraxus posted... So is there an evil and good version of literally everyone Arthas killed in WC3 because God damn he killed a lot of fucking people. Yeah that's what it implies, lol ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 12/13/21 7:47:03 PM #28: |
Why is there a lava dude --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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xGhostchantx 12/13/21 7:47:29 PM #29: |
nfearurspecimn posted... WoW has a plot? Not the game, no lol. You need to read the novels or the Wikis. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 12/13/21 7:50:12 PM #30: |
DrizztLink posted... Why is there a lava dude Hes a Paladin that became the new Lich King after Arthas was slain. They found out someone needed to keep the Scourge under control, and to do that you have to be the Lich King, and mentally control the undead to keep them locked up in Northrend. A Paladin dude volunteered the job. I think he looks like that cause of the effects of wearing the crown or something ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThePrinceFish 12/13/21 7:52:20 PM #31: |
Zikten posted... Hes a Paladin that became the new Lich King after Arthas was slain. They found out someone needed to keep the Scourge under control, and to do that you have to be the Lich King, and mentally control the undead to keep them locked up in Northrend. A Paladin dude volunteered the job. I think he looks like that cause of the effects of wearing the crown or somethingHe looks like that because in Wrath of the Lich King, he got caught in the Forsaken rebels' plague attack and got his body cooked to shit by the Red Dragons before taking over as the Lich King. --- Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dakimakura 12/13/21 7:52:42 PM #32: |
Zikten posted... Hes a Paladin that became the new Lich King after Arthas was slain. They found out someone needed to keep the Scourge under control, and to do that you have to be the Lich King, and mentally control the undead to keep them locked up in Northrend. A Paladin dude volunteered the job. I think he looks like that cause of the effects of wearing the crown or something He looks like that because the dragons burned him to death. Which then apparently he didn't die then was at ICC during the killing of Arthas and was like fuck it i'll be lich king. --- The greatest Warcraft hero ever my queen the black lady Sylvanas Windrunner: https://i.imgur.com/J9Vhyjv.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 12/13/21 7:52:54 PM #33: |
thronedfire2 posted... no, she only had a good and evil version because he brought her back as a banshee and she regained control of herself. you know the thousands and thousands of souls we rescue from the maw? and all the twisted mobs? that's all the random deaths in the series Apparently Uther has one too though and he wasn't a banshee --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vyrulisse 12/13/21 7:55:11 PM #35: |
lmfao --- http://i.imgur.com/6VeX04D.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPf0jh0hItk ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kloe_Rinz 12/13/21 7:56:33 PM #36: |
Whoever wrote that is a hack. Way to take away the agency of one of the best characters in the series (or at least used to be) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThePrinceFish 12/13/21 7:57:41 PM #37: |
Kloe_Rinz posted... Whoever wrote that is a hack. Way to take away the agency of one of the best characters in the series (or at least used to be)Just look at what those bastards did to Kael'thas and that was like 15 years ago. And then again. And then again. --- Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vyrulisse 12/13/21 7:58:28 PM #38: |
Kloe_Rinz posted... Whoever wrote that is a hack. Way to take away the agency of one of the best characters in the series (or at least used to be)Steve Danuser is obsessed with Sylvanas. It's literally his fanfiction at this point. --- http://i.imgur.com/6VeX04D.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPf0jh0hItk ... Copied to Clipboard!
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YsmirWulfharth 12/13/21 10:59:55 PM #39: |
"Yeah she did a genocide but her true self was in there all along!" --- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Esrac 12/13/21 11:43:06 PM #40: |
I don't know what you guys are complaining about. People must really like this twist, because there are no dislikes on that video! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mcpwnia 12/13/21 11:43:55 PM #41: |
s0nicfan posted... It's the worst possible kind of copout "redemption". WoW writers are absolute hacks. --- http://i.minus.com/ieu2wE.gif http://i.imgur.com/gKHH1EP.gif http://i.imgur.com/gwbShnd.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OudeGeuze 12/13/21 11:46:28 PM #42: |
danuser is a hack, no other way around it i mean this guy thot the game of thrones finale was outstanding ... Copied to Clipboard!
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YsmirWulfharth 12/13/21 11:48:46 PM #43: |
Semi-related, but I resubbed for the first time in a year yesterday and holy shit, Shadowlands has massacred my realm's population. It's a medium pop realm, but every city is absolutely dead now and trade is quiet as a ghost. --- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Esrac 12/13/21 11:57:28 PM #44: |
YsmirWulfharth posted... Semi-related, but I resubbed for the first time in a year yesterday and holy shit, Shadowlands has massacred my realm's population. It's a medium pop realm, but every city is absolutely dead now and trade is quiet as a ghost. I quit way back at the very end of Cata. I've only started playing classic again with TBC in May. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pegusus123456 12/14/21 12:28:24 AM #45: |
Tyranthraxus posted... So is there an evil and good version of literally everyone Arthas killed in WC3 because God damn he killed a lot of fucking people.For what it's worth, no. Frostmourne split the soul in two. One version of Sylvanas went to the Shadowlands where she was essentially in stasis, the other one was turned into a banshee. The latter one became evil because of the events she lived through. That's why the original Sylvanas is so horrified: when faced with those same choices, that's what she would have done. The issue is that they're just dogshit at explaining this and the idea of Frostmourne splitting your soul in two is an idiotically lazy way of allowing them to justify both this and Uther's plotline. Doe posted... yeesh at all the comments like "man this is like blizzard talking to themselves... woah"https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/rcjg8j/bitter_confrontation_spoiler/ --- http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pegusus123456 12/14/21 3:35:22 AM #46: |
Oh, I'd forgotten. If you want to be really pissed off about them shitting on WC3 and the previous storyline, they're reforging the Lich King's helmet, the second-most iconic WC item, into a questing green. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDt6apthCG8 --- http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur ... Copied to Clipboard!
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008Zulu 12/14/21 3:55:09 AM #47: |
You'd have to be "eating lead paint" levels of stupid to trust her after the soul split. No rational person would think she is now a "good guy" just because the evil part of herself has wandered off. They'd only see her as the one that screwed everything up. --- If you protest, it's because you feel your voice isn't being heard. If you riot, it's because you feel your voice is being ignored. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pegusus123456 12/14/21 4:01:29 AM #48: |
008Zulu posted... No rational person would think she is now a "good guy" just because the evil part of herself has wandered off.Oh, it hasn't even. It just merged with her good half. --- http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur ... Copied to Clipboard!
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008Zulu 12/14/21 4:54:12 PM #49: |
pegusus123456 posted... Oh, it hasn't even. It just merged with her good half.Then nothing has changed about her. --- If you protest, it's because you feel your voice isn't being heard. If you riot, it's because you feel your voice is being ignored. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 12/14/21 4:57:05 PM #50: |
008Zulu posted...
Her nice side has been dormant deep inside her body for years. All we saw after her death is her mean side. We can't really predict what she will be like now The cinematic I posted shows that the side of all her good aspects lost control when she turned into a banshee. 90% of her history as a character in the games has been with only her evil side in power ... Copied to Clipboard!
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008Zulu 12/14/21 5:39:38 PM #51: |
Zikten posted... We can't really predict what she will be like nowEvil. The heel turn will surprise no one. --- If you protest, it's because you feel your voice isn't being heard. If you riot, it's because you feel your voice is being ignored. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 12/14/21 5:41:59 PM #52: |
008Zulu posted...
It is a crazy and dumb sudden ass pull retcon but no. Your not getting it. The reason she has been evil this whole time is all her goodness was in a dormant state. Like in a coma. Shew back to being how she was before she died. A normal person now. She wasn't evil in life. She was a hero ... Copied to Clipboard!
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