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Zikten
12/13/21 5:15:57 PM
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I stopped playing WoW but I saw this video, and watched just to see whats going on now with Shadowlands almost complete. Major retcon and twist in story of Sylvanas

Her soul split in 2 when she died, and the original nice Sylvanas still exists, trapped inside her body

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s0nicfan
12/13/21 5:16:39 PM
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It's the worst possible kind of copout "redemption". WoW writers are absolute hacks.

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DarthAragorn
12/13/21 5:17:47 PM
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lmao jfc blizzard

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AwesomeFawful
12/13/21 5:18:32 PM
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That's sounds fucking stupid and lazy

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EmbraceOfDeath
12/13/21 5:23:21 PM
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Meanwhile, Endwalker just delivered a satisfying conclusion to the FFXIV story that has been going on since 2.0, and it's clear they planned out the important story beats at least before Shadowbringers came out, if not earlier. Not to mention how much more well written and fleshed out the world is as a whole than in WoW.

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DarkRoast
12/13/21 5:23:30 PM
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Plot twist: You're the Lich King all along

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Gamerguymass
12/13/21 5:25:19 PM
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Its pretty obvious that the writers don't care anymore. Not to mention they retcon everything all the damn time. I just want to know why they hate the Night Elves so much? They have done nothing but constantly shit on them since WoW started.

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Funkydog
12/13/21 5:26:40 PM
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"And then it was all a dream" would be better tbh.

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Doe
12/13/21 5:27:30 PM
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yeesh at all the comments like "man this is like blizzard talking to themselves... woah"

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Inferno Dive Dragoon
12/13/21 5:30:00 PM
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What a crock of shit, and I say that as someone that used to actually like Sylvanas.

So glad I dropped this game before Warlords released. Literally fucking Kerrigan 2.0, and that was BS too the first time around.

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Jiek_Fafn
12/13/21 5:50:38 PM
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The real Sylvanas were the friends we made along the way

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Redwarz
12/13/21 7:09:31 PM
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The problem is the player character in WoW doesn't have any agency in the story. You run around and do menial tasks or put the ground work in weakening the big bad just for someone more important to show up and steal the show.

WoW was always good at lore and world building but ever since this shift to character based stories that game has fumbled. Blizzard writes bad characters but good worlds. Shadowlands lore wise was interesting before we started learning about the characters there.

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ThePrinceFish
12/13/21 7:10:26 PM
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Horrible, horrible writing.

Someone put Warcraft out of its misery.

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Tyranthraxus
12/13/21 7:11:08 PM
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This is like Hal Jordan levels of bullshit

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thronedfire2
12/13/21 7:11:13 PM
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that's not a retcon at all. Getting killed by Frostmourne literally split her soul in two. Same thing that happened with Uther, that's why he was evil. But at the end of the last raid she got the other half of her soul back, The Jailer had it before.

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Dakimakura
12/13/21 7:11:58 PM
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haha you can't kill off the star of the series.

nice try losers.

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Tyranthraxus
12/13/21 7:14:02 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
that's not a retcon at all. Getting killed by Frostmourne literally split her soul in two. Same thing that happened with Uther, that's why he was evil. But at the end of the last raid she got the other half of her soul back, The Jailer had it before.

So basically she's simultaneously fridged and damseled.

Congrats blizz. Real quality writing.

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Zikten
12/13/21 7:27:49 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
that's not a retcon at all. Getting killed by Frostmourne literally split her soul in two. Same thing that happened with Uther, that's why he was evil. But at the end of the last raid she got the other half of her soul back, The Jailer had it before.

I mean a retcon for the entire series . Going all the way back to warcraft 3. I'm not aware of anyone ever talking about 2 halves of a soul for Uther or Sylvanas until Shadowlands launched
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AngelicRadiance
12/13/21 7:29:22 PM
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There's no such thing as a nice Sylvanas

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xGhostchantx
12/13/21 7:33:40 PM
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lmao
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Zikten
12/13/21 7:33:53 PM
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AngelicRadiance posted...
There's no such thing as a nice Sylvanas

Before she died. Her mortal living elf self
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xGhostchantx
12/13/21 7:35:55 PM
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Zikten posted...
I mean a retcon for the entire series . Going all the way back to warcraft 3. I'm not aware of anyone ever talking about 2 halves of a soul for Uther or Sylvanas until Shadowlands launched

There never was, which makes it technically not a retcon, but still fucking stupid. Retcons aren't retcons if they expand on something that was never stated previously. All they ever really said is she was brought back as a banshee.
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Tyranthraxus
12/13/21 7:39:30 PM
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xGhostchantx posted...
There never was, which makes it technically not a retcon, but still fucking stupid. Retcons aren't retcons if they expand on something that was never stated previously. All they ever really said is she was brought back as a banshee.

So is there an evil and good version of literally everyone Arthas killed in WC3 because God damn he killed a lot of fucking people.

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thronedfire2
12/13/21 7:45:43 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
So is there an evil and good version of literally everyone Arthas killed in WC3 because God damn he killed a lot of fucking people.

no, she only had a good and evil version because he brought her back as a banshee and she regained control of herself. you know the thousands and thousands of souls we rescue from the maw? and all the twisted mobs? that's all the random deaths in the series

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xGhostchantx
12/13/21 7:46:05 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
So is there an evil and good version of literally everyone Arthas killed in WC3 because God damn he killed a lot of fucking people.

Yeah that's what it implies, lol
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DrizztLink
12/13/21 7:47:03 PM
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Why is there a lava dude

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xGhostchantx
12/13/21 7:47:29 PM
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nfearurspecimn posted...
WoW has a plot?

Not the game, no lol. You need to read the novels or the Wikis.
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Zikten
12/13/21 7:50:12 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
Why is there a lava dude

Hes a Paladin that became the new Lich King after Arthas was slain. They found out someone needed to keep the Scourge under control, and to do that you have to be the Lich King, and mentally control the undead to keep them locked up in Northrend. A Paladin dude volunteered the job. I think he looks like that cause of the effects of wearing the crown or something
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ThePrinceFish
12/13/21 7:52:20 PM
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Zikten posted...
Hes a Paladin that became the new Lich King after Arthas was slain. They found out someone needed to keep the Scourge under control, and to do that you have to be the Lich King, and mentally control the undead to keep them locked up in Northrend. A Paladin dude volunteered the job. I think he looks like that cause of the effects of wearing the crown or something
He looks like that because in Wrath of the Lich King, he got caught in the Forsaken rebels' plague attack and got his body cooked to shit by the Red Dragons before taking over as the Lich King.

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Dakimakura
12/13/21 7:52:42 PM
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Zikten posted...
Hes a Paladin that became the new Lich King after Arthas was slain. They found out someone needed to keep the Scourge under control, and to do that you have to be the Lich King, and mentally control the undead to keep them locked up in Northrend. A Paladin dude volunteered the job. I think he looks like that cause of the effects of wearing the crown or something

He looks like that because the dragons burned him to death. Which then apparently he didn't die then was at ICC during the killing of Arthas and was like fuck it i'll be lich king.

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Tyranthraxus
12/13/21 7:52:54 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
no, she only had a good and evil version because he brought her back as a banshee and she regained control of herself. you know the thousands and thousands of souls we rescue from the maw? and all the twisted mobs? that's all the random deaths in the series

Apparently Uther has one too though and he wasn't a banshee

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Vyrulisse
12/13/21 7:55:11 PM
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lmfao

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Kloe_Rinz
12/13/21 7:56:33 PM
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Whoever wrote that is a hack. Way to take away the agency of one of the best characters in the series (or at least used to be)
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ThePrinceFish
12/13/21 7:57:41 PM
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Kloe_Rinz posted...
Whoever wrote that is a hack. Way to take away the agency of one of the best characters in the series (or at least used to be)
Just look at what those bastards did to Kael'thas and that was like 15 years ago. And then again.

And then again.

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Vyrulisse
12/13/21 7:58:28 PM
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Kloe_Rinz posted...
Whoever wrote that is a hack. Way to take away the agency of one of the best characters in the series (or at least used to be)
Steve Danuser is obsessed with Sylvanas. It's literally his fanfiction at this point.

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YsmirWulfharth
12/13/21 10:59:55 PM
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"Yeah she did a genocide but her true self was in there all along!"

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Esrac
12/13/21 11:43:06 PM
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I don't know what you guys are complaining about. People must really like this twist, because there are no dislikes on that video!
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mcpwnia
12/13/21 11:43:55 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
It's the worst possible kind of copout "redemption". WoW writers are absolute hacks.


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OudeGeuze
12/13/21 11:46:28 PM
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danuser is a hack, no other way around it

i mean this guy thot the game of thrones finale was outstanding
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YsmirWulfharth
12/13/21 11:48:46 PM
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Semi-related, but I resubbed for the first time in a year yesterday and holy shit, Shadowlands has massacred my realm's population. It's a medium pop realm, but every city is absolutely dead now and trade is quiet as a ghost.

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Esrac
12/13/21 11:57:28 PM
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YsmirWulfharth posted...
Semi-related, but I resubbed for the first time in a year yesterday and holy shit, Shadowlands has massacred my realm's population. It's a medium pop realm, but every city is absolutely dead now and trade is quiet as a ghost.

I quit way back at the very end of Cata. I've only started playing classic again with TBC in May.
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pegusus123456
12/14/21 12:28:24 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
So is there an evil and good version of literally everyone Arthas killed in WC3 because God damn he killed a lot of fucking people.
For what it's worth, no. Frostmourne split the soul in two. One version of Sylvanas went to the Shadowlands where she was essentially in stasis, the other one was turned into a banshee. The latter one became evil because of the events she lived through. That's why the original Sylvanas is so horrified: when faced with those same choices, that's what she would have done.

The issue is that they're just dogshit at explaining this and the idea of Frostmourne splitting your soul in two is an idiotically lazy way of allowing them to justify both this and Uther's plotline.

Doe posted...
yeesh at all the comments like "man this is like blizzard talking to themselves... woah"
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/rcjg8j/bitter_confrontation_spoiler/


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pegusus123456
12/14/21 3:35:22 AM
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Oh, I'd forgotten. If you want to be really pissed off about them shitting on WC3 and the previous storyline, they're reforging the Lich King's helmet, the second-most iconic WC item, into a questing green.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDt6apthCG8

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008Zulu
12/14/21 3:55:09 AM
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You'd have to be "eating lead paint" levels of stupid to trust her after the soul split. No rational person would think she is now a "good guy" just because the evil part of herself has wandered off. They'd only see her as the one that screwed everything up.

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pegusus123456
12/14/21 4:01:29 AM
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008Zulu posted...
No rational person would think she is now a "good guy" just because the evil part of herself has wandered off.
Oh, it hasn't even. It just merged with her good half.

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008Zulu
12/14/21 4:54:12 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Oh, it hasn't even. It just merged with her good half.
Then nothing has changed about her.

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Zikten
12/14/21 4:57:05 PM
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008Zulu posted...

Then nothing has changed about her.

Her nice side has been dormant deep inside her body for years. All we saw after her death is her mean side. We can't really predict what she will be like now

The cinematic I posted shows that the side of all her good aspects lost control when she turned into a banshee. 90% of her history as a character in the games has been with only her evil side in power
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008Zulu
12/14/21 5:39:38 PM
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Zikten posted...
We can't really predict what she will be like now
Evil. The heel turn will surprise no one.

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Zikten
12/14/21 5:41:59 PM
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008Zulu posted...

Evil. The heel turn will surprise no one.

It is a crazy and dumb sudden ass pull retcon but no. Your not getting it. The reason she has been evil this whole time is all her goodness was in a dormant state. Like in a coma. Shew back to being how she was before she died. A normal person now. She wasn't evil in life. She was a hero
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