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Darmik 09/19/21 8:52:09 PM #1:	All those people complaining that the game had a timer didn't end up buying the sequel with no timer because it turns out that removing a fundamental part of the gameplay ruins the design so it makes for a meh game. Oh well. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:958216466] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>All those people complaining that the game had a timer didn't end up buying the sequel with no timer because it turns out that removing a fundamental part of the gameplay ruins the design so it makes for a meh game. Oh well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 09/19/21 8:55:00 PM #2:	timers on games suck ass tho <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:958216557] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>timers on games suck ass tho </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/19/21 8:57:04 PM #3:	CADE FOSTER posted... timers on games suck ass tho Dead Rising's timer is great. Can't really do what that game did without one. Which is what lead to the brain dead 3 and 4. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:958216601] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>CADE FOSTER posted... </cite> <quote>timers on games suck ass tho</quote> Dead Rising's timer is great. Can't really do what that game did without one. Which is what lead to the brain dead 3 and 4. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 09/19/21 8:58:22 PM #4:	you are wrong timers on games suck ass always no excuses for that or turn based combat anymore <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:958216632] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>you are wrong timers on games suck ass always no excuses for that or turn based combat anymore </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MabusIncarnate 09/19/21 8:59:21 PM #5:	Darmik posted... Dead Rising's timer is great. Can't really do what that game did without one. Which is what lead to the brain dead 3 and 4. Agree 100% Timer wasn't just some annoying rush, it was based around many events that created a ton of replayability, and continued new games always had a new experience until you finally saw it all. It kept the game unique and set itself apart. They made it another mindless open world game and 3&4 were pretty shit as a result. --- Above us lay the burdens, Below us lay the truths. We're somewhere in the middle, and we're all discontent too. Slayer_22 picked waifu - https://ibb.co/WD8p1Kz <cite>MabusIncarnate posted [p:958216653] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>Dead Rising's timer is great. Can't really do what that game did without one. Which is what lead to the brain dead 3 and 4.</quote>Agree 100% Timer wasn't just some annoying rush, it was based around many events that created a ton of replayability, and continued new games always had a new experience until you finally saw it all. It kept the game unique and set itself apart. They made it another mindless open world game and 3&4 were pretty shit as a result. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nukazie 09/19/21 8:59:40 PM #6:	CADE FOSTER posted... timers on games suck ass --- Life is just a journey from the maternity ward to the crematorium. <cite>Nukazie posted [p:958216666] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>CADE FOSTER posted... </cite> <quote>timers on games suck ass</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 09/19/21 9:00:35 PM #7:	Focus groups suck but CADE FOSTER posted... timers on games suck ass --- Da GOAT Fam 2021! Sony Always Wins, Baby. <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:958216690] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>Focus groups suck but CADE FOSTER posted... </cite> <quote>timers on games suck ass </quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yunalenne10 09/19/21 9:01:41 PM #8:	CADE FOSTER posted... timers on games suck ass tho Same. I remember reloading the time limit in Lightning Returns FFXIII to basically unlimited time for my leisure. --- "The more beautiful and pure a thing is, the more satisfying it is to corrupt it." - Rule 43 <cite>yunalenne10 posted [p:958216718] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>CADE FOSTER posted... </cite> <quote>timers on games suck ass tho</quote>Same. I remember reloading the time limit in Lightning Returns FFXIII to basically unlimited time for my leisure. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 09/19/21 9:01:51 PM #9:	But if you got all events then the experience is possibly more linear. I loved all dead risings i played. Never played 3 though. --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:958216721] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>But if you got all events then the experience is possibly more linear. I loved all dead risings i played. Never played 3 though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xethuminra 09/19/21 9:01:54 PM #10:	Removing the timer LOL dudes, this is a game where honestly what you wanna do is just run around and kill zombies. The timer complicates that endeavor, and also serves as a vehicle for the story & unlocking special levels & other events occur, such as changes with the zombies, or the map, etc. Especially towards the end. It also makes a for a unique experience combined with the other mechanics. pretty big fail past the first one , no? DR2 was like Saints Row esque -__- not quite right <cite>Xethuminra posted [p:958216724] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>Removing the timer LOL dudes, this is a game where honestly what you wanna do is just run around and kill zombies. The timer complicates that endeavor, and also serves as a vehicle for the story & unlocking special levels & other events occur, such as changes with the zombies, or the map, etc. Especially towards the end. It also makes a for a unique experience combined with the other mechanics. pretty big fail past the first one , no? DR2 was like Saints Row esque -__- not quite right </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BakonBitz 09/19/21 9:02:28 PM #11:	Major opinions here. I don't mind timers if the game is well-designed around that fact. Majora's Mask, Pikmin, Dead Rising 1... From what I hear the timer is completely awful in Lightning Returns because of how obtuse some things are. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>BakonBitz posted [p:958216740] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>Major opinions here. I don't mind timers if the game is well-designed around that fact. Majora's Mask, Pikmin, Dead Rising 1... From what I hear the timer is completely awful in Lightning Returns because of how obtuse some things are. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 09/19/21 9:04:18 PM #12:	DR 1-3 are great while 4 is awful. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:958216780] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>DR 1-3 are great while 4 is awful. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/19/21 9:04:48 PM #13:	CADE FOSTER posted... you are wrong timers on games suck ass always no excuses for that or turn based combat anymore It's the only way to have events actually happen during the course of a few days in a video game. Otherwise the world is static and does nothing until the player progresses. Which is literally every other open world game now. There's plenty of ways to make that system work and be flexible to the player without throwing it out completely. Options to go back to certain times at any point for example. Dead Rising works more like a schedule than a timer anyway. Not really sure if everyone even understood that. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:958216792] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>CADE FOSTER posted... </cite> <quote>you are wrong timers on games suck ass always no excuses for that or turn based combat anymore</quote> It's the only way to have events actually happen during the course of a few days in a video game. Otherwise the world is static and does nothing until the player progresses. Which is literally every other open world game now. There's plenty of ways to make that system work and be flexible to the player without throwing it out completely. Options to go back to certain times at any point for example. Dead Rising works more like a schedule than a timer anyway. Not really sure if everyone even understood that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 09/19/21 9:05:09 PM #14:	CADE FOSTER posted... timers on games suck ass tho Agreed. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:958216800] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>CADE FOSTER posted... </cite> <quote>timers on games suck ass tho</quote>Agreed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xethuminra 09/19/21 9:05:35 PM #15:	dave_is_slick posted... Agreed. Sweeping <cite>Xethuminra posted [p:958216819] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>dave_is_slick posted... </cite> <quote>Agreed.</quote>Sweeping </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/19/21 9:07:38 PM #16:	I wonder how many people who think timers sucked even bought any of the Dead Rising games. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:958216870] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>I wonder how many people who think timers sucked even bought any of the Dead Rising games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 09/19/21 9:08:51 PM #17:	Without the timer there wasn't any tension. That was the problem. In games, the same thing that can be annoying can also be what's creating all the tension. --- Name checks out "I don't wanna be the toughest, I just keep it 100 and think nothin of it"- Black Thought <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:958216902] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>Without the timer there wasn't any tension. That was the problem. In games, the same thing that can be annoying can also be what's creating all the tension. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 09/19/21 9:08:58 PM #18:	your opinion is wrong and you deflect to saying we didnt play the games good one <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:958216905] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>your opinion is wrong and you deflect to saying we didnt play the games good one </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/19/21 9:09:58 PM #19:	CADE FOSTER posted... your opinion is wrong and you deflect to saying we didnt play the games good one Well yeah. The point of removing it was to appease people like you who didn't like the originals because of the supposed timer. Did it work? Well the studio closed down after DR4. So I doubt it. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:958216924] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>CADE FOSTER posted... </cite> <quote>your opinion is wrong and you deflect to saying we didnt play the games good one</quote> Well yeah. The point of removing it was to appease people like you who didn't like the originals because of the supposed timer. Did it work? Well the studio closed down after DR4. So I doubt it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 09/19/21 9:10:51 PM #20:	thats bad money management not our fault <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:958216949] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>thats bad money management not our fault </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/19/21 9:12:11 PM #21:	CADE FOSTER posted... thats bad money management not our fault It's Capcom's fault for listening to whiners who weren't really interested in the series over the fans yes. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:958216981] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>CADE FOSTER posted... </cite> <quote>thats bad money management not our fault</quote> It's Capcom's fault for listening to whiners who weren't really interested in the series over the fans yes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 09/19/21 9:14:29 PM #22:	Saving every survivor in the original Dead Rising was one of my favorite gaming accomplishments I've ever done because of the challenge it presented. The timer was what made that game special. --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:958217033] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>Saving every survivor in the original Dead Rising was one of my favorite gaming accomplishments I've ever done because of the challenge it presented. The timer was what made that game special. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MabusIncarnate 09/19/21 9:16:02 PM #23:	I'd have no issue if they offered a sandbox mode but they didnt, they removed the concept of the game entirely. I think most people played it for a while, kept getting "mission failed" thinking their game save was ruined and never bothered to progress far enough to realize that the point is to break up goals into different playthroughs to focus on one thing at a time. I hate timers in 99% of games, but DR implemented it in a smart way. --- Above us lay the burdens, Below us lay the truths. We're somewhere in the middle, and we're all discontent too. Slayer_22 picked waifu - https://ibb.co/WD8p1Kz <cite>MabusIncarnate posted [p:958217080] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>I'd have no issue if they offered a sandbox mode but they didnt, they removed the concept of the game entirely. I think most people played it for a while, kept getting "mission failed" thinking their game save was ruined and never bothered to progress far enough to realize that the point is to break up goals into different playthroughs to focus on one thing at a time. I hate timers in 99% of games, but DR implemented it in a smart way. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nukazie 09/19/21 9:18:21 PM #25:	Lost_All_Senses posted... Without the timer there wasn't any tension. That was the problem. In games, the same thing that can be annoying can also be what's creating all the tension. but could it not be like mission-based, i mean separate time to explore and for the timer-based experience the limited time to explore the game just because of a forced game over to not comply is annoying as hell --- Life is just a journey from the maternity ward to the crematorium. <cite>Nukazie posted [p:958217131] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>Lost_All_Senses posted... </cite> <quote>Without the timer there wasn't any tension. That was the problem. In games, the same thing that can be annoying can also be what's creating all the tension.</quote>but could it not be like mission-based, i mean separate time to explore and for the timer-based experience the limited time to explore the game just because of a forced game over to not comply is annoying as hell </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/19/21 9:20:29 PM #26:	It's seriously easy to adjust it so it actually removes any complaint people have about it. You're always leveling up in the games. You're not wasting time by ignoring the timer and doing you're own thing. Just make it so you can easily swap between Story Mode and Sandbox mode whenever you want. Stuck at a boss? Switch to Sandbox mode and level up for a bit and try again. Want to take a break and muck around? Switch to Sandbox mode. This is basically what DR2 OTR did but it was never revisited again which is a shame. Worried about messing up your Story mode and having to start again? Simple. You have the option to start at the beginning of any Case you've progressed to. Your level progress carries over. At most you're losing like 15 minutes of mission progress. Hard Mode removes this option. If these still aren't enough then it's pretty obvious you just aren't interested in the game. Which is okay. There's plenty of other open world zombie games out there. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:958217183] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>It's seriously easy to adjust it so it actually removes any complaint people have about it. You're always leveling up in the games. You're not wasting time by ignoring the timer and doing you're own thing. Just make it so you can easily swap between Story Mode and Sandbox mode whenever you want. Stuck at a boss? Switch to Sandbox mode and level up for a bit and try again. Want to take a break and muck around? Switch to Sandbox mode. This is basically what DR2 OTR did but it was never revisited again which is a shame. Worried about messing up your Story mode and having to start again? Simple. You have the option to start at the beginning of any Case you've progressed to. Your level progress carries over. At most you're losing like 15 minutes of mission progress. Hard Mode removes this option. If these still aren't enough then it's pretty obvious you just aren't interested in the game. Which is okay. There's plenty of other open world zombie games out there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 09/19/21 9:30:53 PM #27:	or just remove the timer boom easy <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:958217446] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>or just remove the timer boom easy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/19/21 9:31:49 PM #28:	CADE FOSTER posted... or just remove the timer boom easy They did that already. The game wasn't good. There's no tension anymore. It's just a brainless game without the timer. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:958217472] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>CADE FOSTER posted... </cite> <quote>or just remove the timer boom easy</quote> They did that already. The game wasn't good. There's no tension anymore. It's just a brainless game without the timer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 09/19/21 9:32:28 PM #29:	Darmik posted... Which is what lead to the brain dead 3 and 4. Probably more the fact that a lot of series get diluted and uninspired by the third and fourth entries as a general rule. I don't think it's the timer's fault. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:958217485] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>Which is what lead to the brain dead 3 and 4.</quote>Probably more the fact that a lot of series get diluted and uninspired by the third and fourth entries as a general rule. I don't think it's the timer's fault. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Number090684 09/19/21 9:34:55 PM #30:	Darmik posted... Dead Rising's timer is great. Can't really do what that game did without one. Which is what lead to the brain dead 3 and 4. Nah, Dead Rising's timer forces you to play the game certain ways when it comes to efficient play so you don't miss out on anything. A sandbox like survival horror game is no fun if you are constantly on a clock. The quality of the series went to shit in later entries and the devs couldn't even fix their buggy ass games before they were shutdown either. Dead Rising had it's time to shine and deserved to die considering how it was in the end. <cite>Number090684 posted [p:958217565] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>Dead Rising's timer is great. Can't really do what that game did without one. Which is what lead to the brain dead 3 and 4.</quote> Nah, Dead Rising's timer forces you to play the game certain ways when it comes to efficient play so you don't miss out on anything. A sandbox like survival horror game is no fun if you are constantly on a clock. The quality of the series went to shit in later entries and the devs couldn't even fix their buggy ass games before they were shutdown either. Dead Rising had it's time to shine and deserved to die considering how it was in the end. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 09/19/21 9:35:00 PM #31:	so any game without a timer is brainless stop it darmik <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:958217571] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>so any game without a timer is brainless stop it darmik </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 09/19/21 9:35:50 PM #32:	CADE FOSTER posted... so any game without a timer is brainless stop it darmik Where did he even imply thats what he meant? Oh and its dangerous to go alone, take these ,,,,,,,, --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:958217582] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>CADE FOSTER posted... </cite> <quote>so any game without a timer is brainless stop it darmik</quote> Where did he even imply thats what he meant? Oh and its dangerous to go alone, take these ,,,,,,,, </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BakonBitz 09/19/21 9:36:32 PM #33:	CADE FOSTER posted... so any game without a timer is brainless stop it darmik Dude, you're getting into trolling territory by putting words in people's mouths. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>BakonBitz posted [p:958217599] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>CADE FOSTER posted... </cite> <quote>so any game without a timer is brainless stop it darmik</quote>Dude, you're getting into trolling territory by putting words in people's mouths. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 09/19/21 9:36:35 PM #34:	Darmik posted... I wonder how many people who think timers sucked even bought any of the Dead Rising games. Me. Timers suck. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:958217601] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>I wonder how many people who think timers sucked even bought any of the Dead Rising games.</quote>Me. Timers suck. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/19/21 9:37:03 PM #35:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Probably more the fact that a lot of series get diluted and uninspired by the third and fourth entries as a general rule. I don't think it's the timer's fault. Eh not really. Not many third and fourth entries try to remove the fundamental part of the game. Number090684 posted... Nah, Dead Rising's timer forces you to play the game certain ways when it comes to efficient play so you don't miss out on anything. A sandbox like survival horror game is no fun if you are constantly on a clock. It's not a survival horror game. The zombies aren't really a threat to the player. CADE FOSTER posted... so any game without a timer is brainless stop it darmik I never said that. Dead Rising is though. The challenge of the game was never the zombies. It's managing the schedule and doing as much as you can within it. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:958217613] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>Probably more the fact that a lot of series get diluted and uninspired by the third and fourth entries as a general rule. I don't think it's the timer's fault.</quote> Eh not really. Not many third and fourth entries try to remove the fundamental part of the game. Number090684 posted... </cite> <quote>Nah, Dead Rising's timer forces you to play the game certain ways when it comes to efficient play so you don't miss out on anything. A sandbox like survival horror game is no fun if you are constantly on a clock.</quote> It's not a survival horror game. The zombies aren't really a threat to the player. CADE FOSTER posted... </cite> <quote>so any game without a timer is brainless stop it darmik</quote> I never said that. Dead Rising is though. The challenge of the game was never the zombies. It's managing the schedule and doing as much as you can within it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wheelman1 09/19/21 9:37:17 PM #36:	I never liked time limits on any game. I like to play at my own pace. --- XBox Live GT: MastaMez PSN: KoolMez The Topic Killer \_0_/ <cite>The Wheelman1 posted [p:958217617] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>I never liked time limits on any game. I like to play at my own pace. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MabusIncarnate 09/19/21 9:38:04 PM #37:	BakonBitz posted... Dude, you're getting into trolling territory by putting words in people's mouths. Getting? --- Above us lay the burdens, Below us lay the truths. We're somewhere in the middle, and we're all discontent too. Slayer_22 picked waifu - https://ibb.co/WD8p1Kz <cite>MabusIncarnate posted [p:958217640] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>BakonBitz posted... </cite> <quote>Dude, you're getting into trolling territory by putting words in people's mouths.</quote>Getting? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Number090684 09/19/21 9:38:12 PM #38:	Darmik posted... Eh not really. Not many third and fourth entries try to remove the fundamental part of the game. It's not a survival horror game. The zombies aren't really a threat to the player. I never said that. Dead Rising is though. The challenge of the game was never the zombies. It's managing the schedule and doing as much as you can within it. It's still survival horror considering everything that is out to kill you. <cite>Number090684 posted [p:958217643] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>Eh not really. Not many third and fourth entries try to remove the fundamental part of the game. It's not a survival horror game. The zombies aren't really a threat to the player. I never said that. Dead Rising is though. The challenge of the game was never the zombies. It's managing the schedule and doing as much as you can within it.</quote> It's still survival horror considering everything that is out to kill you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 09/19/21 9:38:13 PM #39:	BakonBitz posted... Dude, you're getting into trolling territory by putting words in people's mouths. thats what he infered with his post <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:958217644] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>BakonBitz posted... </cite> <quote>Dude, you're getting into trolling territory by putting words in people's mouths.</quote>thats what he infered with his post </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CoolMaskGuy 09/19/21 9:39:21 PM #41:	3 and 4 sucked because they lost all of the Japanese flair the first two did (I know 2 wasn't entirely Japanese but they still had a presence in the development). 3 just felt like a generic western open world Walking Dead survival game, complete with the twangy guitar soundtrack and everything. <cite>CoolMaskGuy posted [p:958217669] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>3 and 4 sucked because they lost all of the Japanese flair the first two did (I know 2 wasn't entirely Japanese but they still had a presence in the development). 3 just felt like a generic western open world Walking Dead survival game, complete with the twangy guitar soundtrack and everything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/19/21 9:39:29 PM #42:	dave_is_slick posted... Me. Timers suck. It's fine if you think that but like I said they removed the timers in these games and they both lost fans of the originals and people who complained about the timer didn't buy it anyway. So it was for nothing. Sometimes listening to the mainstream audience isn't the right move. Sometimes it's better to appeal to a specific hardcore audience. Number090684 posted... It's still survival horror considering everything that is out to kill you. Nah resource management isn't an issue and that's a fundamental part of any survival horror game. The only resource to manage was time. Without that there's nothing left. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:958217674] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>dave_is_slick posted... </cite> <quote>Me. Timers suck.</quote> It's fine if you think that but like I said they removed the timers in these games and they both lost fans of the originals and people who complained about the timer didn't buy it anyway. So it was for nothing. Sometimes listening to the mainstream audience isn't the right move. Sometimes it's better to appeal to a specific hardcore audience. Number090684 posted... </cite> <quote>It's still survival horror considering everything that is out to kill you.</quote> Nah resource management isn't an issue and that's a fundamental part of any survival horror game. The only resource to manage was time. Without that there's nothing left. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 09/19/21 9:40:31 PM #43:	dr had 4 games thats plenty franchise cant last forever besides state of decay is coming that will tide you over <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:958217700] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>dr had 4 games thats plenty franchise cant last forever besides state of decay is coming that will tide you over </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/19/21 9:41:05 PM #44:	CADE FOSTER posted... dr had 4 games thats plenty franchise cant last forever besides state of decay is coming that will tide you over State of Decay is nothing like Dead Rising. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:958217712] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>CADE FOSTER posted... </cite> <quote>dr had 4 games thats plenty franchise cant last forever besides state of decay is coming that will tide you over</quote> State of Decay is nothing like Dead Rising. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MabusIncarnate 09/19/21 9:42:38 PM #45:	CADE FOSTER posted... dr had 4 games thats plenty franchise cant last forever besides state of decay is coming that will tide you over That game where you have a certain amount of time to contain infected areas before they spread further, and you have to manage your days appropriately? Kind of sounds like a timer to me. --- Above us lay the burdens, Below us lay the truths. We're somewhere in the middle, and we're all discontent too. Slayer_22 picked waifu - https://ibb.co/WD8p1Kz <cite>MabusIncarnate posted [p:958217749] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>CADE FOSTER posted... </cite> <quote>dr had 4 games thats plenty franchise cant last forever besides state of decay is coming that will tide you over</quote>That game where you have a certain amount of time to contain infected areas before they spread further, and you have to manage your days appropriately? Kind of sounds like a timer to me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 09/19/21 9:43:05 PM #46:	Darmik posted... State of Decay is nothing like Dead Rising. you are right it sucks why cant ms buy capcom and revive it or just buy the ip <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:958217761] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>State of Decay is nothing like Dead Rising.</quote>you are right it sucks why cant ms buy capcom and revive it or just buy the ip </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 09/19/21 9:43:19 PM #47:	what killed the idea of Dead Rising 4 for me was the cringy ass pre-launch interview with the developer saying Frank West was back and then they highlighted taking selfie upskirts or weird shit like that also the timer in DR2 gave me some legit anxiety ngl --- FFXIV: Lucius Hexenseele (Brynhildr) \| RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/Fish/Cook/Fletch/Div/Mining/Smithing/Thieving/Crafting/RC https://letterboxd.com/BMovieBro/ <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:958217767] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>what killed the idea of Dead Rising 4 for me was the cringy ass pre-launch interview with the developer saying Frank West was back and then they highlighted taking selfie upskirts or weird shit like that also the timer in DR2 gave me some legit anxiety ngl </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 09/19/21 9:45:03 PM #48:	I should also point out that the idea for Dead Rising 5 was to copy The Last of Us. If all games just want to play like each other what is even the point of having different franchises. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:958217816] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>I should also point out that the idea for Dead Rising 5 was to copy The Last of Us. If all games just want to play like each other what is even the point of having different franchises. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 09/19/21 9:46:50 PM #49:	that would have been awesome they should have done that <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:958217858] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>that would have been awesome they should have done that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RyuForce 09/19/21 9:48:38 PM #50:	Timers are a vital part of the gameplay. One and two's challenge and replayabliltiy hinged on you managing it well and while you can beat the story in one go with both you did need to manage time wisely to do all the challenges so on and so forth. It's also why they created the level system in the first place. So even if a run gets botched half way through, the next run has your character much stronger and morel likely to handle the psychos much better. DR2 Off the Record does offer a sandbox mode for those who just want to goof off and kill zombies. I think it should be a feature for every one of the games but not the core gameplay. DR3 had a timer but it was lenient. Too lenient. Not only did I beat the game and all challenges first try but there was times I was standing around waiting for the day to advance just to do the next part. A very forgiving timer is far worse then the typical harsh one. Hadn't played 4 but yeah, lack of timer doesn't sound appealing but I know full well the game's problems stem more from behind the scenes development issues and Matt here explains it better. https://youtu.be/6FztJTSrqB8 TLDW: Studio wanted to make new games and/or massively reboot the series. Capcom only wanted them to make the same dang game over and over. They tried something new with DR4 but that angered Capcom and left them hastily making what DR4 is. Also, if someone's going 'timer sucks' over and over but can't even bother to explain why it doesn't work when everyone explains why it does. Is it worth replying back to them? --- "Well, doesn't this just beat all?" ~ Rei, Breath of Fire III PSN: GojiraRising <cite>RyuForce posted [p:958217900] in Focus grou... [t:79669666]...</cite> <quote>Timers are a vital part of the gameplay. One and two's challenge and replayabliltiy hinged on you managing it well and while you can beat the story in one go with both you did need to manage time wisely to do all the challenges so on and so forth. It's also why they created the level system in the first place. So even if a run gets botched half way through, the next run has your character much stronger and morel likely to handle the psychos much better. DR2 Off the Record does offer a sandbox mode for those who just want to goof off and kill zombies. I think it should be a feature for every one of the games but not the core gameplay. DR3 had a timer but it was lenient. Too lenient. Not only did I beat the game and all challenges first try but there was times I was standing around waiting for the day to advance just to do the next part. A very forgiving timer is far worse then the typical harsh one. Hadn't played 4 but yeah, lack of timer doesn't sound appealing but I know full well the game's problems stem more from behind the scenes development issues and Matt here explains it better. https://youtu.be/6FztJTSrqB8 TLDW: Studio wanted to make new games and/or massively reboot the series. Capcom only wanted them to make the same dang game over and over. They tried something new with DR4 but that angered Capcom and left them hastily making what DR4 is. Also, if someone's going 'timer sucks' over and over but can't even bother to explain why it doesn't work when everyone explains why it does. Is it worth replying back to them? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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