Current Events > I am so ****ing sick of this anti-science paranoia from the GOP/Right Wing

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It's bad enough that it is literally costing people their lives and perpetuating this pandemic, but it also fosters distrust of physicians and scientists as well. I've literally had patients claim that I'm just trying to make money off them by diagnosing them with COVID. And patients get visibly angry when I recommended vaccination or refused to prescribe ivermectin.

This sort of rhetoric is deliberately dogwhistled on FOXNews, and it gives these people the notion that somehow all of medicine is an elite cabal of leftists trying to control them. It's utter insanity.

It's only a matter of time before this anti-public health rhetoric extends to vaccinations in general - measles, etc.


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Just lock those idiots out of society. Make it basically impossible to live a real life unvaccinated. Their tunes will change the second they cant get into Walmart for guns and booze.
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Watching my wife be dismissed and passed along by 10+ specialists who would rather kick the can down the road than spend more than 10 minutes with her made me lose faith in physicians

Working at a well regarded hospital for surgeons who did indeed do it for the money made me lose faith in physicians

Working at the ER for doctors too pompous and used to ass kissing to ever admit they could be wrong and hurting people for it made me lose faith in physicians

People SHOULD have less trust in physicians

But not because of covid and right wing extremism

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I'm just sick of right wing crap period. Had to listen today about how criminal sex eduaction and critical race theory in schools are.

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GOP's primary political tool is fear mongering, they've used it for years and its proven time and again to work, it speaks to that reptile brain at the core of us all that's governed by basic stimuli like hunger and pain. its their counter to any science or common sense based argument, it falls apart if you think about it but as they've said time and again they like the poorly educated and unthinking.

will it spread to the basic vaccinations everyone gets as a kid? personally, i dont really think so since those diseases aren't hot button topics that they can stir up a controversy over.

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You know the whole anti-vaxx movement isn't just right wingers right? They just happen to be more vocal about it.

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monkmith posted...

will it spread to the basic vaccinations everyone gets as a kid? personally, i dont really think so since those diseases aren't hot button topics that they can stir up a controversy over.

Republicans in Tennessee actually did end all vaccine outreach to children recently. Fortunately, they reversed that decision after getting a lot of criticism.

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Gamerguymass posted...

You know the whole anti-vaxx movement isn't just right wingers right? They just happen to be more vocal about it.

The problem is the Qult turned a fringe belief into mainstream "beliefs".

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2 and 4 are right on.

3 is... I am not in a position to determibe anything about 3
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Njolk posted...

Watching my wife be dismissed and passed along by 10+ specialists who would rather kick the can down the road than spend more than 10 minutes with her made me lose faith in physicians

Working at a well regarded hospital for surgeons who did indeed do it for the money made me lose faith in physicians

Working at the ER for doctors too pompous and used to ass kissing to ever admit they could be wrong and hurting people for it made me lose faith in physicians

People SHOULD have less trust in physicians

But not because of covid and right wing extremism

When physicians allowed insurance companies and the pharmaceutical industry to dictate what flies and what doesn't when it comes to taking care of people, they deserved to lose all trust.

Real physicians would have found a way to destroy, defy, alter, or otherwise end around those institutions preventing them from helping people in the name of the almighty and rapidly declining dollar.

I've personally witnessed too many people get their lives fucked by something a doctor recommended.

But hey, what do the rest of us know, right? We didn't waste our lives learning how to help exploit others.

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monkmith posted...

will it spread to the basic vaccinations everyone gets as a kid? personally, i dont really think so since those diseases aren't hot button topics that they can stir up a controversy over.

It already is spreading to other vaccines.

DarkRoast posted...

This sort of rhetoric is deliberately dogwhistled on FOXNews, and it gives these people the notion that somehow all of medicine is an elite cabal of leftists trying to control them. It's utter insanity.

Not just Fox, but moreso online Facebook and their other social bubbles. Online is filled with fake info gossip. And they believe it over "the experts".
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Yeah, theyre nonsense is really holding us back as a society.

I wish there was a place we could just send them so they can all be idiots together happily ever after and be the hell away from the rest of us who have common sense.

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CableZL posted...

Republicans in Tennessee actually did end all vaccine outreach to children recently. Fortunately, they reversed that decision after getting a lot of criticism.

because its not in the news cycle or trending on twitter. now, if there's a big upswing in measles cases and the CDC makes a push to get more kids vaccinated, then you'll see the GOP start waving the anti-vax flag for the MMR shots...

here's the thing. the GOP isn't inherently evil, its not inherently looking to get people killed or hurt by pushing this shit... they're just not above endorsing inherently evil policies if it plays well to their audience.

an example, look at the abortion shit in texas. now see, they dont actually care about abortion, and they're not actively looking to fuck over women by restricting their reproductive rights, but they know their voters think that abortion = murder = HELL and they happily play up that idea because it gets their voters scared thinking the other side will send them to HELL if they dont support the GOP. and the masterstroke, when people pointed out that the new law would make it illegal for a woman to abort a fetus from a rape, instead of side stepping the fact the texas governor pushes the idea that he's just gonna outlaw rape... something that's already illegal, and in no way preventable by making it super illegal... but hey, if they phrase it right they can make their unthinking sheep believe that democrats just encouraged rape or something.

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monkmith posted...

because its not in the news cycle or trending on twitter. now, if there's a big upswing in measles cases and the CDC makes a push to get more kids vaccinated, then you'll see the GOP start waving the anti-vax flag for the MMR shots...

here's the thing. the GOP isn't inherently evil, its not inherently looking to get people killed or hurt by pushing this shit... they're just not above endorsing inherently evil policies if it plays well to their audience.

an example, look at the abortion shit in texas. now see, they dont actually care about abortion, and they're not actively looking to fuck over women by restricting their reproductive rights, but they know their voters think that abortion = murder = HELL and they happily play up that idea because it gets their voters scared thinking the other side will send them to HELL if they dont support the GOP. and the masterstroke, when people pointed out that the new law would make it illegal for a woman to abort a fetus from a rape, instead of side stepping the fact the texas governor pushes the idea that he's just gonna outlaw rape... something that's already illegal, and in no way preventable by making it super illegal... but hey, if they phrase it right they can make their unthinking sheep believe that democrats just encouraged rape or something.

This is true to a degree. Especially amongst the old school "I just want to be rich and not pay any taxes" kind of conservative. The newer ones though, the Boeberts, Gaetz, and MTG crowd, they absolutely buy in hook line and sinker.

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I've ben saying this. They're destroying all medicine. Everything they believe and suggest implies that doctors can't be trusted. They can claim they are just being skeptical of a single vaccine, but if you imply that basically everyone involved in medicine is perpetuating a lie out of greed or fear of a dark cabal, it's hard to ever have faith in those people again. If I believed my next door neighbor was a rapist, I'd have a hard time trusting him to mow my lawn or ever do anything ever again. "I trust my doctor, except that one time he tried to push the socialist government's deadly experimental vaccine on us". Not even a brain full of worms can think like that.

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The ONLY thing I haven't heard is that the Covid vaccine causes Autism. I was hoping to hear this classic line.

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I 100% agree with TC

It's bullshit and I've been sick of it for years

monkmith posted...

here's the thing. the GOP isn't inherently evil,

I don't know if I agree with that

So much GOP supported shit is just harmful with no benefit

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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...

The ONLY thing I haven't heard is that the Covid vaccine causes Autism. I was hoping to hear this classic line.

I don't know about the US but the UK anti vax propaganda I got in the mail was making those claims.

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monkmith posted...

here's the thing. the GOP isn't inherently evil, its not inherently looking to get people killed or hurt by pushing this shit... they're just not above endorsing inherently evil policies if it plays well to their audience.

This is blatantly untrue

perhaps they only care about shit like gay marriage and abortion bc it plays to their audience, but their economic policies of getting themselves and their donors richer while specifically making things worse for the poor is textbook evil

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Gamerguymass posted...

You know the whole anti-vaxx movement isn't just right wingers right? They just happen to be more vocal about it.

uh, it's 100% more heavily slanted right, especially in the case of the covid vaccine. This is just pure numbers, not just who's more "vOcAl" about it

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-vaccine-hesitancy-politics-trump-biden-31b9eebb-8a6f-4b44-82d5-425dd966d5ef.html

why do i only ever see you post complete tripe?

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After years of malpractice and pill pushing I pretty much lost any remaining faith in the the industry last year when they got political by saying they supported massive groups of people "protesting racism" in the middle of a pandemic over staying home and flattening the curve. That opened a lot of people's eyes and did tremendous damage to their credibility.

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Mr Hangman posted...

This. What right-wing media and politicians are doing is bad, but doctors and health administration officials should stop making it so easy for them. They're the professionals who should be held to a higher standard.

This is really stupid logic. It's not just the US doctors pushing for the vaccine, it's global and backed by every clinical trial and quantifable results post implemetation ever conducted.

Going "Well the reason I deny reality is big pharma and the BLM Movement" is crazy talk

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Former Louisiana GOP Governor Bobby Jindal (2013): We've got to stop being the stupid party.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8kwxlHf0cE

Former Pennsylvania GOP senator Rick Santorum (2012): We will never have the elite smart people on our side.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n5oa55EsmI

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hopefully these anti-medicine morons kill themselves off before they can breed

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Kolibri X posted...

After years of malpractice and pill pushing I pretty much lost any remaining faith in the the industry last year when they got political by saying they supported massive groups of people "protesting racism" in the middle of a pandemic over staying home and flattening the curve. That opened a lot of people's eyes and did tremendous damage to their credibility.

Shut up.

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lol at the snowflake who was offended by my comment. stay special, whoever you are.


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These days I think most people simply don't accept the idea of expertise. Even people who are experts themselves in other fields. And if they do, an expert can never be wrong.

That's the vibe I get on the internet anyway.

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It must be a shitty time to be a virologist, or any medical expert right now.

I'm just glad these "skeptic" nutjobs stay away from stuff like Physics

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I've talked to a flat earther who was skeptical of the law of gravity.

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DarkRoast posted...

Shut up.

Cant even give a non-childish response to the industrys hypocrisy on gatherings. This is why your patients don't respect you.

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Kolibri X posted...

After years of malpractice and pill pushing I pretty much lost any remaining faith in the the industry last year when they got political by saying they supported massive groups of people "protesting racism" in the middle of a pandemic over staying home and flattening the curve. That opened a lot of people's eyes and did tremendous damage to their credibility.

Cool. Please never visit a doctor or enter a pharmacy every again please.

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Antivaxx nonsense should be an immediate ban tbh

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Idk man, I dont care about what someone else thinks - I just gotta stay alive and then whatever else someone does is whatever else someone does

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Mr Hangman posted...

Physics is less in need of outside skepticism because the field's generally accepted standard of proof is 175,000 times tougher than what medicine and biology will take.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42QuXLucH3Q

The idiots are out in full force today.


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Jabodie posted...

These days I think most people simply don't accept the idea of expertise. Even people who are experts themselves in other fields. And if they do, an expert can never be wrong.

That's the vibe I get on the internet anyway.

It's possible that every expert could be wrong and that the medical community is either stupid or fully in the pocket of some nebulous Big Government, but that would be world destroying.

I like to assume those aren't true

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Jabodie posted...

These days I think most people simply don't accept the idea of expertise. Even people who are experts themselves in other fields. And if they do, an expert can never be wrong.

That's the vibe I get on the internet anyway.

not really. Anti vaxxers and religious folk still run to "experts"

It's just the "experts" they accept are the ones telling them what they want to hear

I have literally had anti vaxxers link me to quack doctors grifting right wing crap and calling the vaccine a bioweapon while selling supplements and then been unrionically told "You can't ignore doctors because you don't like what they say. They're experts."

BY ANTI-VAXXERS

I will not accept any excuse whatsoever that absolves anti vaxxers from accoutability of intentionally making decisions they know are idiotic out of pure egotism and cowardice

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Mr Hangman posted...

Physics is less in need of outside skepticism because the field's generally accepted standard of proof is 175,000 times tougher than what medicine and biology will take.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42QuXLucH3Q

You don't understand anything that you pretend to know about.

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Mr Hangman posted...

You guys sure love to tell me how I don't understand without explaining why.

And all so agitated over merely saying it's ok to be skeptical of new scientific claims in a world where data shows most published scientific papers are actually wrong. I'm not even disagreeing on the base claims! Vaccines good, ivermectin bad. And a lot of the people questioning that are doing so for bad reasons, like reflexive opposition to people they identify as enemies. But it wouldn't hurt to have some humility about your beliefs, because you're probably wrong about something.

P value cut offs have very little to do with anything here.

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Mr Hangman posted...

You guys sure love to tell me how I don't understand without explaining why.

And all so agitated over merely saying it's ok to be skeptical of new scientific claims in a world where data shows most published scientific papers are actually wrong. I'm not even disagreeing on the base claims! Vaccines good, ivermectin bad. And a lot of the people questioning that are doing so for bad reasons, like reflexive opposition to people they identify as enemies. But it wouldn't hurt to have some humility about your beliefs, because you're probably wrong about something.

Questioning things is skepticism.
Ignoring the answers is ignorance.

Anti vaxxers are not and never have "just asked questions" they always just denied reality.

And no going "I'm not defending Anti vaxxers just don't trust doctors and science and be humble about indisputable facts to people who claim it's a 4G bioweapon that will kill kids. Also their inaction is killing people." is not skeptcism.

It's being an incredibly weak and flimsy apologist for the most foolish and harmful first world beliefs going today that will continue to cause mass suffering and death totally needlessly

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Mr Hangman posted...

P-values are the underlying mechanism by which "experts" decide if something is a "fact", on a good day anyway, and that has very much to do with what's going on here

No, not really.

Mr Hangman posted...

A p-hacked 0.05 is a quite a bit less fact-y than a well supported 0.0000003.

You can p-hack any cutoff. Fundamentally the exact cut off is not the issue.

Mr Hangman posted...

And while the latter might be a good starting place for deciding to force people to do something, the former, not so much.

P-values do not describe the quality of an inference.

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Mr Hangman posted...

. People are making a religion out of science like it's infallible,

Literally no one is doing that.

"Actually testing things and constantly changing and adapting beliefs based on facts and evidence is an infallible religion too just like da Bible." is always a stupid claim and so obviously ludicrous at face value I question the intellectual honestly of anyone who says it.

You know full well that sentence is bogus but you said it anyway. Why?

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