Current Events > i hope the free market appropriately responds to anti-vaxxers

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imagine if the free market actually stood up to those idiots and required a vaccination card (or proof of a legit medical reason not to have one) to enter their establishments. then the anti-vax crowd can leverage the beauty of the market and go start their own grocery stores, pharmacies, etc and stay away from the rest of us.

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why should anti-vaxxers get to enjoy the reopening afforded by those who get one?

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I would never support this and it is a horrible idea. Imagine the Trump administration having the power to dictate who can or cannot earn a living this way.

One should study more history if they truly in their heart get confused about why this is a problem.

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pure_temper posted...

I would never support this and it is a horrible idea.

companies already require masks and distancing despite it not being mandated in some places. how is it different to require a vaccine?

pure_temper posted...

Imagine the Trump administration having the power to dictate who can or cannot earn a living this wa

i am not advocating for the government to do anything here.

pure_temper posted...

One should study more history if they truly in their hearts get confused about why this is a problem.

anti-vaxxers are being selfish pricks and endangering others with their choices. they should not be able to enjoy the luxury of reopening our economy since they aren't doing their part.

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stores have mask policies to follow federal guidelines and assuage their employees

plus showing proof of a medical procedure is way different and more invasive than just having a visible piece of cloth on your face.

the free market has no incentive to do this

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Giant_Aspirin posted...

i am not advocating for the government to do anything here.

you are arguing for that inadvertently. We live in a world where the top corporations have more power than entire countries.

And those people have a seriously outsized influence on government and who is in government and what happens in government, because of the amount of wealth they have

at no point will i ever agree that allowing corporations this power is a good idea. It is a terrible idea and we should never normalize corporations having a say in what goes into someones body.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

anti-vaxxers are being selfish pricks and endangering others with their choices. they should not be able to enjoy the luxury of reopening our economy since they aren't doing their part.

i actually dont care if some people wish to be dumb about vaccines. I will still never tolerate any type of corpo-fascism or tech fascism or any kind of mechanism by which power to innoculate falls into any individuals hands

you should speak with PoC about this issue if you wish to be more informed about why its a terrible idea. I get that it feels good to feel morally superior or righteous when it comes to anti-vaxxers and how dumb they are.

but you really think Id ever agree with Bezos or Gates or Trump having this kind of power? Nope. Fuck that!

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Doe posted...

plus showing proof of a medical procedure is way different and more invasive than just having a visible piece of cloth on your face.

yup. People can wear masks until the pandemic has subsided. In fact that is still the recommendation even for ppl who are vaccinated already last I checked.

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pure_temper posted...

at no point will i ever agree that allowing corporations this power is a good idea. It is a terrible idea and we should never normalize corporations having a say in what goes into someones body.

then i sure hope you're against drug testing


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Giant_Aspirin posted...

then i sure hope you're against drug testing

uhh, YEAH

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TC didn't really think this one through.

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Giant_Aspirin posted...

then i sure hope you're against drug testing

i am 100% against drug testing unless the physical requirements of the job involve operating heavy machinery that could hurt someone

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Vaccination cards would be easily faked, need a database or standardized app to punish

onedarksoul posted...

TC didn't really think this one through.

how so?

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My, how utterly ghoulish. Heard of "food deserts?" So if the local place requires these cards, just die? Such compassion . . .

pure_temper posted...

you are arguing for that inadvertently. We live in a world where the top corporations have more power than entire countries.

no i am not. don't put words in my mouth. im not advocating for the state to make it a law either way.

pure_temper posted...

at no point will i ever agree that allowing corporations this power is a good idea. It is a terrible idea and we should never normalize corporations having a say in what goes into someones body.

so you think the government should make a law that says they cannot require vaccines?

im not proposing that we allow companies to decide that at all. it will remain up to the individual.

do i think places like grocery stores will actually do this? no (even if i think they should). but i can definitely see places like stadiums and arenas requiring it, or even smaller venues with lots of people tightly packed into a small area.

pure_temper posted...

I will still never tolerate any type of corpo-fascism or tech fascism or any kind of mechanism by which power to innoculate falls into any individuals hands

again, the individual should have a choice. if you dont want to get a vaccine you suffer the consequences of that choice.

pure_temper posted...

you should speak with PoC about this issue if you wish to be more informed about why its a terrible idea. I get that it feels good to feel morally superior or righteous when it comes to anti-vaxxers and how dumb they are.

im not talking about the government forcing injections into people. stop.

its not about being morally superior. it's about not letting those folks enjoy the results of progress they actively fought against.

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Artemis86 posted...

My, how utterly ghoulish. Heard of "food deserts?" So if the local place requires these cards, just die? Such compassion . . .

curbside pickup?

also those folks could always get vaccinated ....

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Artemis86 posted...

My, how utterly ghoulish. Heard of "food deserts?" So if the local place requires these cards, just die? Such compassion . . .

or get vaccinated

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Giant_Aspirin posted...

no i am not. don't put words in my mouth. im not advocating for the state to make it a law either way.

yeah you are, just not directly. The end result of your view would create that as the norm to participate in society. You need to stop posting and go talk with PoC about this because you dont seem to understand.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

so you think the government should make a law that says they cannot require vaccines?

im not proposing that we allow companies to decide that at all. it will remain up to the individual.

do i think places like grocery stores will actually do this? no (even if i think they should). but i can definitely see places like stadiums and arenas requiring it, or even smaller venues with lots of people tightly packed into a small area.

im ok with no corporations having a say beyond masks.

we know masks work

Giant_Aspirin posted...

again, the individual should have a choice. if you dont want to get a vaccine you suffer the consequences of that choice.

you are giving a false choice. Study more history, dude. This kind of power must never in any way, spoken or unspoken rules aside, exist in any individuals or corporations hands at all

You want Facebook or Amazon to have the power to mandate proof of vaccination in order to work there? You are inadvertently arguing for corporations to rule over people, it really is that slippery of a slope.
Giant_Aspirin posted...

im not talking about the government forcing injections into people. stop.

its not about being morally superior. it's about not letting those folks enjoy the results of progress they actively fought against.

you are not thinking logically about who owns corporations and what outsized role these corporations play in governance. You are a smart guy, but you are completely blindsided on this one if you trust corporations this way.

lets not pretend its actually about markets, isnt that a bit tongue in cheek? Because this doesnt have anything to do with choices in markets.

your view would completely fall apart in reality since most private businesses want to open up regardless so they can stay afloat. The only way to salvage this its a choice! argument at that point is to give Bezos or Gates or Buffett that kind of power at the corporate level.

again, study more history and speak with PoC on this subject

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pure_temper posted...

The end result of your view would create that as the norm to participate in society.

that is not certain at all. you're making a leap here. it's possible, yes. it's also possible that the free market reaches a perfect equilibrium.

pure_temper posted...

You want Facebook or Amazon to have the power to mandate proof of vaccination in order to work there?

i want my place of employment to require it. i am telling my supervisor that i wont be comfortable being around unvaccinated people whenever we go back to the office. the only way i'd be slightly OK with that would be if masks and distancing were enforced.

pure_temper posted...

your view would completely fall apart in reality since most private businesses want to open up regardless so they can stay afloat.

there's a significant chunk of the population who are refusing to get the vaccine. won't businesses have a desire to cater to this crowd? look at how business have responded in places where mandates have been lifted, like in Texas. some companies still require masks, some don't and that shapes who shops where.

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Giant_Aspirin posted...

that is not certain at all. you're making a leap here. it's possible, yes. it's also possible that the free market reaches a perfect equilibrium.

lets not be naive. Corporations are more powerful than many countries.

there will be no equilibrium that isnt whatever the most powerful individuals want it to be. Would I ever trust any of them? Nope.

if you agree that what I am saying is possible, and you literally just conceded that, then we must never open Pandoras box.

revisit this subject in the future when class no longer exists imo

Giant_Aspirin posted...

want my place of employment to require it. i am telling my supervisor that i wont be comfortable being around unvaccinated people whenever we go back to the office. the only way i'd be slightly OK with that would be if masks and distancing were enforced.

again, you need to speak with PoC and think critically about what kind of power you are actually going to enable if you are seriously asking your employer to police peoples bodies this way

work remotely, youre in tech

for everyone else, masks are mandated already in public last i checked

Giant_Aspirin posted...

there's a significant chunk of the population who are refusing to get the vaccine. won't businesses have a desire to cater to this crowd?

i dont want businesses or government to ever have this power

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pure_temper posted...

I would never support this and it is a horrible idea. Imagine the Trump administration having the power to dictate who can or cannot earn a living this way.

One should study more history if they truly in their heart get confused about why this is a problem.

I support it because it's a great idea.

There are individuals who legitimately cannot receive the vaccine. I'd rather businesses placate those people instead of the dumb as fuck MAGA anti vaxxer/covid-19 denial crowd.

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Will_VIIII posted...

I support it because it's a great idea.

There are individuals who legitimately cannot receive the vaccine. I'd rather businesses placate those people instead of the dumb as fuck MAGA anti vaxxer/covid-19 denial crowd.

I dont care about anti vaxxers. I still will never accept or tolerate mega-corps making it the unspoken rule of law that they get to dictate these terms

masks exist and work. Have you ever studied history and spoken with PoC? Youre trusting corporate overlords way too fast.


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Have I spoken to myself?

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No, I understand your point and am rejecting it as being overly naive about the reality of corporate power and who controls corporations (billionaire overlords).

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Lebron James had the correct take on this. When he was asked, he said its a private matter between him and his family.

Anything else? Im of the view that it is inadvertently spit-shining Bezos boots for him.

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We're dealing with an unprecedented situation where we're finally at a point where there's a cure.

I just don't think we should placate the dumb fucks.

You don't have a choice as to what ethnicity you're born with.

You have a choice to be vaccinated.

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Will_VIIII posted...

We're dealing with an unprecedented situation where we're finally at a point where there's a cure.

I just don't think we should placate the dumb fucks.

You don't have a choice as to what ethnicity you're born with.

You have a choice to be vaccinated.

You are not offering any choice. There are no choices when corporate overlords get to dictate these terms.

We already have masks and they work. Advocate for those, rather than for billionaires getting to cut off someone who wants a livelihood because they are not interesting in divulging their medical history to their employer.

the fuck? How is this rocket science to anyone?

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I care not for the livelihood of the antivax MAGAs.

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/satire

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Will_VIIII posted...

I care not for the livelihood of the antivax MAGAs.

then you need to seriously re-evaluate what kind of world you want to live in, because if you had billionaire power then its pretty clear what would happen.

Which people do billionaires hate most? Why do you want to empower them, people who dont care about anyones lives at all, to dictate these terms? And to gate access to livelihood this way? It is deeply unwise and illogical considering any serious study of history or power or wealth.

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Ok?

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PC, are you against mandating vaccines for public schools, too?

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Giant_Aspirin posted...

PC, are you against mandating vaccines for public schools, too?

I am okay with this and mandating vaccines for hospital workers esp in NICU and ICU

Im also okay with people voluntarily choosing private or homeschooling as alternatives if they dont wish to participate in the public option

the results of your position would not legitimately give any choice to anyone besides the corporate overlords

plz see this

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Since you've somehow equated refusing a vaccine to urine collection bots, it's pretty clear there isn't going to be any kind of reasonable or intelligent discussion with you.

Best of luck to you!

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And you Will ignored half of the story, the half that shows you why you are the one being unreasonable here.

Its clear from focusing on the Amazon urine bots but not saying a peep about the rest where your allegiance is.

Just note that Bezos literally doesnt care about anyone who is under like $10 billion in net worth.

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pure_temper posted...

the results of your position would not legitimately give any choice to anyone besides the corporate overlords

what if there was a mandate that any business which required a vaccine for patrons was required to offer an alternative shopping option, like curbside pickup?

or are your concerns more focused on employees?

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Giant_Aspirin posted...

what if there was a mandate that any business which required a vaccine for patrons was required to offer an alternative shopping option, like curbside pickup?

or are your concerns more focused on employees?

forcing curbside pickup options would be fine i guess

but yes it is for the employees

do you want your kids to live and work in a techno-fascist world?

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pure_temper posted...

And you Will ignored half of the story, the half that shows you why you are the one being unreasonable here.

Its clear from focusing on the Amazon urine bots but not saying a peep about the rest where your allegiance is.

Just note that Bezos literally doesnt care about anyone who is under like $10 billion in net worth.

I'm of a pick and choose your battles approach here.

If a large number of people continue to refuse the vaccine this can continue to overwhelm hospitals. Even if I'm vaccinated and need to go to the hospital for a different reason (actually had an ER visit last December) I may not received care in a timely manner because of covid-19 denialists refusing a vaccine.

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pure_temper posted...

do you want your kids to live and work in a techno-fascist world?

i really dont even feel like answering this because its so disingenuous. im not gonna have kids, but if i did i'd want them to live in a covid-free world. just like the measles-free and polio-free world we have today.

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I was in the hospital a year ago due to a hit and run. They section off entire wings of the hospitals for covid patients.

youll get the care you need and covid is on a downward trend already.

if anything theres not enough vaccine to go around for the people who want it, theres been news of rich people getting it first or even outright purchasing it

supply is the issue here, not demand. And well have plenty of supply soon. I still would never tolerate a boss telling someone they need to divulge medical history to work there.

time to be a bit more paranoid about how powerful corps are.

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Will_VIIII posted...

I care not for the livelihood of the antivax MAGAs.

Very shortsighted way to think of your fellow man. If you believe someone is on the wrong path, you're supposed to talk to, inform, and or educate to help them. Instead the posts I see from you have a very conceited, "know it all" "I'm better than you" attitude.

Please learn to be compassionate towards others. It doesn't matter if your viewpoints differ, we're still all the same species and we should work to unite and love each other.

An old war quote comes to mind; There's no ally or enemy in death....Please rest in peace.

Sorry if this is a little off-topic but I'm beyond fed up of the left/right divide and I'll be damned if I don't do my best to help people stop spreading hatred. Divided, our nation will not survive.

Over the past 5 years, MAGAs have demonstrated that discourse with them is a waste of time

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Giant_Aspirin posted...

i really dont even feel like answering this because its so disingenuous. im not gonna have kids, but if i did i'd want them to live in a covid-free world. just like the measles-free and polio-free world we have today.

And i dont recall those vaccines being effectively mandated by corporations having the power to determine who can and cannot participate in normal life or work.

http://www.idph.state.il.us/webhistory25.htm

if you have examples that show otherwise id read them. Vaccine promotion campaigns in the news and media are fine and have worked in the past.

anti-vaxxers have existed since them lol. Did we give corporations the power to police medical history and demand it?

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Demon1050 posted...

Very shortsighted way to think of your fellow man. If you believe someone is on the wrong path, you're supposed to talk to, inform, and or educate to help them. Instead the posts I see from you have a very conceited, "know it all" "I'm better than you" attitude.

Please learn to be compassionate towards others. It doesn't matter if your viewpoints differ, we're still all the same species and we should work to unite and love each other.

An old war quote comes to mind; There's no ally or enemy in death....Please rest in peace.

Sorry if this is a little off-topic but I'm beyond fed up of the left/right divide and I'll be damned if I don't do my best to help people stop spreading hatred. Divided, our nation will not survive.

100%

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Will_VIIII posted...

Over the past 5 years, MAGAs have demonstrated that discourse with them is a waste of time

and who do you think Billionaires have been saying this about for as long as theyve existed, since they were Oil Barrons and Robber Barons and Royalty and Pharaoh and etc? Whatever you wanna call them

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Demon1050 posted...

Very shortsighted way to think of your fellow man. If you believe someone is on the wrong path, you're supposed to talk to, inform, and or educate to help them. Instead the posts I see from you have a very conceited, "know it all" "I'm better than you" attitude.

Please learn to be compassionate towards others. It doesn't matter if your viewpoints differ, we're still all the same species and we should work to unite and love each other.

An old war quote comes to mind; There's no ally or enemy in death....Please rest in peace.

Sorry if this is a little off-topic but I'm beyond fed up of the left/right divide and I'll be damned if I don't do my best to help people stop spreading hatred. Divided, our nation will not survive.

those of us who live in reality spent the last year trying to talk those people into taking the virus seriously. Most of them are brainwashed cultists who refuse to listen to anything outside their own circle

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jeffhardyb0yz posted...

You guys(you, OP) are literal tyrants

this is what im trying to point out to them, hopefully they realize it

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thronedfire2 posted...

those of us who live in reality spent the last year trying to talk those people into taking the virus seriously. Most of them are brainwashed cultists who refuse to listen to anything outside their own circle

almost no gov on earth even in Western Europe took it seriously

nobody measures up to this ridiculous standard you have.

and we still shouldnt give Bezos this power no matter what the MAGAs say about vaccines

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