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teepan95
12/31/20 3:05:52 AM
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Both governments can be, and in fact are, bad
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David1988
12/31/20 3:06:45 AM
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How many of you Americans here dont consider yourself pro-American? Im curious

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teepan95
12/31/20 3:07:33 AM
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I'm not American
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Wii_Shaker
12/31/20 3:07:38 AM
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Also, being anti-China doesn't mean it's OK to be racist against Chinese people.

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teepan95
12/31/20 3:08:22 AM
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Wii_Shaker posted...
Also, being anti-China doesn't mean it's OK to be racist against Chinese people.

Agreed

To clarify, when I say I'm anti-[country], I mean the government, not the population
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Rika_Furude
12/31/20 3:08:40 AM
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Wii_Shaker posted...
Also, being anti-China doesn't mean it's OK to be racist against Chinese people.
but its not OK to support or defend china just because of fear of racism allegations

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PMarth2002
12/31/20 3:19:41 AM
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David1988 posted...
How many of you Americans here dont consider yourself pro-American? Im curious

Like China, i'm fine with the people, but the government, especially the republican party. sucks.

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ModLogic
12/31/20 3:21:54 AM
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being anti usa USA doesn mean you're pro something else

attacking liberals does not mean defending nazis


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Shablagoo
12/31/20 3:24:41 AM
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Number of nuke launches by the U.S. vs. number of nuke launches by China. You can hate the launching of nukes by China while also hating those launched by the U.S. (in other words, you can just hate nuclear weapons in general, regardless of who has them), doesnt mean you like either government.

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teepan95
12/31/20 3:24:44 AM
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ModLogic posted...
being anti usa USA doesn mean you're pro something else

attacking liberals does not mean defending nazis

In your case, being pro China means you're pro China, and defending facsists (and wanna facsists) means you're fascist
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ModLogic
12/31/20 3:27:07 AM
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then that means being anti china makes you a cia bot

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teepan95
12/31/20 3:27:31 AM
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Non sequitur much
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Shablagoo
12/31/20 3:29:50 AM
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ModLogic posted...
then that means being anti china makes you a cia bot

I believe you can criticize a government without believing any other governments are better. So, even if the U.S. government were the best one ever, talking about its flaws wouldnt necessarily mean you support another one over it.

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KamenRiderBlade
12/31/20 3:30:57 AM
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I'm Anti-CCP (Chinese Communist Party).

They're the largest & most corrupt Political Party on Earth.

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Questionmarktarius
12/31/20 3:31:43 AM
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Half the shit in a typical US house, probably much more, was made in China.
I don't see how you can be pro or con either, without being both at the same time.
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KamenRiderBlade
12/31/20 3:36:47 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Half the shit in a typical US house, probably much more, was made in China.
I don't see how you can be pro or con either, without being both at the same time.
You need to seperate the CCP from the Chinese People.

They're literally a Authoritarian Regime keeping their people oppressed underneath their boot heels.

They took over Hong Kong by Force. They're putting Muslims in Concentration Camps to this day and labeling it as "Re-Education Camps".

They're trying to exterminate Mongolian Culture by force and forcing them into a Sino based culture.

They're oppressing Tibetans as we speak by occupying them.

And they're in a border clash with India right now.

They arbitrarily declared a giant Swath of ocean as their personal territory and built artificial Islands with Military Emplacements and challenges ANYBODY who goes into their waters.

The UN has already decided how the Ocean Territory is supposed to be, but the CCP disagrees and is going to do whatever they want.

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ModLogic
12/31/20 3:41:18 AM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
They're trying to exterminate Mongolian Culture by force and forcing them into a Sino based culture.
i recall when i pointed out japan's ongoing cultural genocide of their ryukyuan minority group you refused to a acknowledge it.

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Questionmarktarius
12/31/20 3:42:36 AM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
You need to seperate the CCP from the Chinese People.
To be fair, the same can be said for the US, to a slightly lesser degree.

Consistently fucking with an entire hemisphere since the 1800s

Consistently fucking with the other hemisphere since the 1920s

They took over Hawaii by force.

The only nation to actually use nuclear weapons in war, twice.
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KamenRiderBlade
12/31/20 3:43:03 AM
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ModLogic posted...
i recall when i pointed out japan's ongoing cultural genocide of their ryukyuan minority group you refused to a acknowledge it.
That's because their culture isn't being destroyed by the government.

They can still practice whatever they want freely.

There's a complete difference when the mongolian language is suppressed by the government.

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KamenRiderBlade
12/31/20 3:44:47 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
To be fair, the same can be said for the US, to a slightly lesser degree.

Consistently fucking with an entire hemisphere since the 1800s

Consistently fucking with the other hemisphere since the 1920s

They took over Hawaii by force.

The only nation to actually use nuclear weapons in war, twice.
You can blame the Politicians & the Corporate Cronyism who greases up Capitol Hill via lobbying for their business interests on that.

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Questionmarktarius
12/31/20 3:46:03 AM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
You can blame the Politicians & the Corporate Cronyism who greases up Capitol Hill via lobbying for their business interests on that.
All governments are complete assholes.
Margaret Thatcher is mai waifu.
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ModLogic
12/31/20 3:46:37 AM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
That's because their culture isn't being destroyed by the government.
lol?

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2014/08/25/voices/use-lose-theres-stake-language-reviving-ryukyuan-tongues/

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2007/11/28/national/military-forced-okinawa-mass-suicides/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryukyuan_languages

  • Ryukyu annexed by Japan
  • Japan began the process of forced assimilation and suppresion of culture and language
  • Japan officially made Ryukyuan language illegal around the time of WW2
  • Attempts to revive it now is too little too late, as the aging population that speak it are dying off and the younger population only speak Japanese
  • Ryukyu language to be extinct by 2050.
*to date, Japan still refuses to acknowledge Ryukyuans as an indigenous or minority group.

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KamenRiderBlade
12/31/20 3:47:30 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
All governments are complete assholes.
Margaret Thatcher is mai waifu.
Seriously, Margaret Thatcher of all people is your "Waifu"?

Out of all the women who have existed and will exist, you pick HER to be your "Waifu"?

I'm questioning your tastes bro.

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Questionmarktarius
12/31/20 3:49:17 AM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
Out of all the women who have existed and will exist, you pick HER to be your "Waifu"?
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KamenRiderBlade
12/31/20 3:50:38 AM
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ModLogic posted...
lol?

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2014/08/25/voices/use-lose-theres-stake-language-reviving-ryukyuan-tongues/

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2007/11/28/national/military-forced-okinawa-mass-suicides/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryukyuan_languages

Ryukyu annexed by Japan
Japan began the process of forced assimilation and suppresion of culture and language
Japan officially made Ryukyuan language illegal around the time of WW2
Attempts to revive it now is too little too late, as the aging population that speak it are dying off and the younger population only speak Japanese
Ryukyu language to be extinct by 2050.

*to date, Japan still refuses to acknowledge Ryukyuans as an indigenous or minority group.
That was the OLD Imperial Government ~ WW2.

The current Government is quite different post WW2.

And the people are welcome to revive the Ryukyuan languages now.

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Shablagoo
12/31/20 3:50:52 AM
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Thatcher was a complete demon but tbf thats why Id enjoy the hate-fuck, so I cant blame Questionmarktarius.

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Questionmarktarius
12/31/20 3:54:03 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
Thatcher was a complete demon but tbf thats why Id enjoy the hate-fuck, so I cant blame Questionmarktarius.
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KamenRiderBlade
12/31/20 3:56:17 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
yandere waifu is best waifu
-_-

Kuudere = best waifu.

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Questionmarktarius
12/31/20 3:57:44 AM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
Kuudere = best waifu.
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That's my Iron Lady.

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ModLogic
12/31/20 4:04:57 AM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
That was the OLD Imperial Government ~ WW2.

The current Government is quite different post WW2.

And the people are welcome to revive the Ryukyuan languages now.
i see you are adamant to ignore the fact ryukyuans are opressed. how do they revive a language already nearly snuffed out by japan? the elderly that speak it are dying off. the younger generation are forced to learn standard japanese.

  • Okinawa designated as the proxy signatory to the leases which permit the continued use of the Okinawans land by US forces. In 1996, the governor of Okinawa refused to sign the lease agreement on behalf of local owners who did not want to renew the leases. Japans Supreme Court proceeded to overrule the governors refusal to renew the leases
  • The Japanese government continues to refuse to consider the Rykyans as minorities or indigenous peoples.
  • Educational materials for use in public schools continue to be silent on the topic of the Rykyans as indigenous communities with their own languages, cultures and traditions.
  • The culture and traditional lands of Rykyans continue to be threatened by the denial of the right to free, prior and informed consent in policymaking, especially concerning the expansion of US military bases
https://minorityrights.org/minorities/ryukyuans-okinawans/

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Questionmarktarius
12/31/20 4:06:58 AM
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ModLogic posted...
The Japanese government continues to refuse to consider the Rykyans as minorities or indigenous peoples.
Don't the Japanese still shit all over the Ainu?
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Shablagoo
12/31/20 4:08:40 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
yandere waifu is best waifu

oh god just looked that up, yeah she was like the epitome.

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Shablagoo
12/31/20 4:09:44 AM
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eh Kuudere? Was Thatcher really loving on the inside? I doubt it.

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ModLogic
12/31/20 4:09:59 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Don't the Japanese still shit all over the Ainu?
at least the ainu populace are recognized as an indigenous group.


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Questionmarktarius
12/31/20 4:11:41 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
eh Kuudere? Was Thatcher really loving on the inside? I doubt it.
It's plausible that Ronald Reagan may fit that better, yes.
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Shablagoo
12/31/20 4:22:15 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
loving on the inside?

Questionmarktarius posted...
Ronald Reagan may fit that better, yes.



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Questionmarktarius
12/31/20 4:25:04 AM
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Shablagoo posted...

Reagan was a happy guy. Complete asshole, but a happy guy.

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KamenRiderBlade
12/31/20 5:02:18 AM
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ModLogic posted...
i see you are adamant to ignore the fact ryukyuans are opressed. how do they revive a language already nearly snuffed out by japan? the elderly that speak it are dying off. the younger generation are forced to learn standard japanese.

Okinawa designated as the proxy signatory to the leases which permit the continued use of the Okinawans land by US forces. In 1996, the governor of Okinawa refused to sign the lease agreement on behalf of local owners who did not want to renew the leases. Japans Supreme Court proceeded to overrule the governors refusal to renew the leases
The Japanese government continues to refuse to consider the Rykyans as minorities or indigenous peoples.
Educational materials for use in public schools continue to be silent on the topic of the Rykyans as indigenous communities with their own languages, cultures and traditions.
The culture and traditional lands of Rykyans continue to be threatened by the denial of the right to free, prior and informed consent in policymaking, especially concerning the expansion of US military bases

https://minorityrights.org/minorities/ryukyuans-okinawans/
The elderly are free to teach it to any young folk who are willing to listen and train.

Nobody is stopping them.

Okinawa is a part of Japan and they are part of the larger system. You don't always get what you want when you're part of the Federal System. And Okinawa isn't the ONLY place in Japan that has to host bases. There are MANY US bases spread throughout all of Japan as part of the armistice from WW2. Okinawa doesn't get to be a special snowflake when many other areas of Japan house US bases.

The Japanese consider the Ryukyuans as part of the greater Japanese culture and people.

Public School Systems are allowed to educate on what they deem as accurate and necesary.

If you don't agree with it, do your own independent research.

Guess what, many parts of Japan signed on the US-Japanese Armistice, it's not just Okinawa that had to make some sacrifices in land to accomodate US bases, you don't get to be a special Snow-Flake just because you're Okinawa.

US Bases in Japan are spread about all of Japan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forces_Japan

Get USED TO IT!

When you lose the war in WW2, winner gets to make the deals and the Japanese Government signed on the dotted line.

We're indebted to protect Japan, and that means US military bases.

That also means Okinawa ISN'T the only part of Japan that has US military bases.

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Questionmarktarius
12/31/20 5:05:48 AM
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The US still has bases in Germany and Japan. Why?
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ssjevot
12/31/20 5:06:29 AM
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Half my family is Chinese. Understand Mandarin (reading and writing more so than speaking), don't like either the PRC or US governments and live in Japan. Definitely don't buy into the idea that any country being bad justifies or makes another country good. There are bad things about Japan too, it's just a lot better for us than other options.

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KamenRiderBlade
12/31/20 5:08:21 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
The US still has bases in Germany and Japan. Why?
We're the Ace of the Team when it comes to NATO.

We do most of the Heavy Lifting while everybody else sends in their 2nd Stringers to help out when it comes time to go to war.

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ModLogic
12/31/20 5:15:15 AM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
The elderly are free to teach it to any young folk who are willing to listen and train in the Ryukyuan languages.

Nobody is stopping them.

Okinawa is a part of Japan and they are part of the larger system. You don't always get what you want when you're part of the Federal System. And Okinawa isn't the ONLY place in Japan that has to host bases. There are MANY US bases spread throughout all of Japan as part of the armistice from WW2. Okinawa doesn't get to be a special snowflake when many other areas of Japan house US bases.

The Japanese consider the Ryukyuans as part of the greater Japanese culture and people.

Public School Systems are allowed to educate on what they deem as accurate and necesary.

If you don't agree with it, do your own independent research.

Guess what, many parts of Japan signed on the US-Japanese Armistice, it's not just Okinawa that had to make some sacrifices in land to accomodate US bases, you don't get to be a special Snow-Flake just because you're Okinawa.

US Bases in Japan are spread about all of Japan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forces_Japan

When you lose the war in WW2, winner gets to make the deals and the Japanese Government signed on the dotted line.

We're indebted to protect Japan, and that means US military bases.

That also means Okinawa ISN'T the only part of Japan that has US military bases.
oh ok because you say they aren't oppressed means they aren't. you are incredibly obvious skirting around the fact they are forcefully assimilated and denied their identity.

  • Okinawa has never willingly provided land for construction of the bases. U.S.
  • 70.6% of the land in Japan that is exclusive to U.S. military facilities are concentrated in Okinawa, which accounts for only 0.6% of the total land area of Japan.
https://dc-office.org/basedata

how dare the indigenous people be a "special snow flake" as you call them

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KamenRiderBlade
12/31/20 5:18:10 AM
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ModLogic posted...
oh ok because you say they aren't oppressed means they aren't. you are incredibly obvious skirting around the fact they are forcefully assimilated and denied their identity.
The Imperial Japanese Government performed the actions, but they are long gone and dead.

You see a modern rebirth of teaching Ryukyuan to the young Okinawans, go right ahead.

No government from Tokyo is suppressing the teachings of the language.

No matter how you slice it, they're part of Japan.

Just like Texas or California is part of the US.

Texas or California can't leave the Federal System, no matter how much they try.

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Questionmarktarius
12/31/20 5:19:36 AM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
We're the Ace of the Team when it comes to NATO.

We do most of the Heavy Lifting while everybody else sends in their 2nd Stringers to help out when it comes time to go to war.
Yet, Canada has a base in Colorado.
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KamenRiderBlade
12/31/20 5:21:44 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Yet, Canada has a base in Colorado.
Canada is part of NORAD.

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Shablagoo
12/31/20 5:23:53 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Reagan was a happy guy. Complete asshole, but a happy guy.

Happy (with himself)? Sure. But, loving on the inside?

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Questionmarktarius
12/31/20 5:26:49 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
Happy (with himself)? Sure. But, loving on the inside?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BC5GxdMdLs
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ModLogic
12/31/20 5:27:37 AM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
The Imperial Japanese Government performed the actions, but they are long gone and dead.

You see a modern rebirth of teaching Ryukyuan to the young Okinawans, go right ahead.

No government from Tokyo is suppressing the teachings of the language.

No matter how you slice it, they're part of Japan.

Just like Texas or California is part of the US.

Texas or California can't leave the Federal System, no matter how much they try.
a war criminal from ww2 that america helped out became prime minister of japan after ww2. his grandson a right wing nationalist was leader of the country till recently. imperial japan is dead in name only.
what you are saying is that native americans are simply american. they can pass on their culture but they should no longer be recognized as an indigenous people. the us gov can take back all their land and have full say what to do with it.

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Questionmarktarius
12/31/20 5:31:46 AM
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ModLogic posted...
they can pass on their culture but they should no longer be recognized as an indigenous people.
But, they are.

I've got family living inside of Cherokee Nation, who may or may not be actual Cherokee.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_Nation
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KamenRiderBlade
12/31/20 5:35:35 AM
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ModLogic posted...
a war criminal from ww2 that america helped out became prime minister of japan after ww2. his grandson a right wing nationalist was leader of the country till recently. imperial japan is dead in name only.
That's your perspective, it's far more nuanced than that.

what you are saying is that native americans are simply american. they can pass on their culture but they should no longer be recognized as an indigenous people. the us gov can take back all their land and have full say what to do with it.
The US has decided to allow Indigineous Americans to be recognized and they get to live on their Reservations.

If they want to be "Indigenous Americans", they can. They have their own criteria for what it means to be "Indigenous" including ancestral purity tests. That's their own issue at that point.

They should be happy that the US government has agreed to that.

As for Japan, that's their own internal matters and the US has bigger fish to fry.

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