Current Events > Should Sweden abolish the monarchy?

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The Monarch is our Head of State but the Executive power is the Prime-Minister and his/her Government and the Legislative power is Riksdagen.

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The Queen of England should take over all monarchies, since she's the only monarch who's still relevant :P
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teepan95 posted...

The Queen of England should take over all monarchies, since she's the only monarch who's still relevant :P

>:O

https://youtu.be/2Tvp0J-AN90

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If the current system works right now and the monarch is only a figurehead, why change it?

Trelve posted...

If the current system works right now and the monarch is only a figurehead, why change it?

The arguement from Republicans is that it is undemocratic to give a person such a position with all the perks and money which comes with the title to someone based merely on who their parents are. A position you hold for life unless you choose to abdicate.

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BalanceLost posted...

The arguement from Republicans is that it is undemocratic to give a person such a position with all the perks and money which comes with the title to someone based merely on who their parents are. A position you hold for life unless you choose to abdicate.

As much as I agree with that, they probably bring the country a lot more money than they are being paid just by virtue of being royalty. Pretty sure that's how it works with The Queen of England anyways.

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3PiesAndAFork posted...

As much as I agree with that, they probably bring the country a lot more money than they are being paid just by virtue of being royalty. Pretty sure that's how it works with The Queen of England anyways.

That is indeed a key counter arguement from Royalists.

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Kings and queens only belong in story books and history books. Screw the money. What about principles?

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BalanceLost posted...

The arguement from Republicans is that it is undemocratic to give a person such a position with all the perks and money which comes with the title to someone based merely on who their parents are. A position you hold for life unless you choose to abdicate.

It's tradition, they probably bring in a lot of money for the country (more than it costs to keep them) and the monarchy are good representatives of your country. I say keep it - it makes your country stand out from the majority of other countries that are republics.

No, fuck that

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all monarchies should be abolished
we don't live in the fucking middle ages anymore

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Trelve posted...

I say keep it - it makes your country stand out from the majority of other countries that are republics.

lol what??? you underestimate how many monarchies there still are.

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Choco posted...

lol what??? you underestimate how many monarchies there still are.

Of the 195 recognized countries there are 44 that have a monarch.

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Stagmar posted...

Choco posted...

lol what??? you underestimate how many monarchies there still are.

Of the 195 recognized countries there are 44 that have a monarch.

I thought there were over 200 countries?
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teepan95 posted...

I thought there were over 200 countries?

Not officially. Both the UN and the US recognize 195 countries. I personally would also include Taiwan, but they dont.

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A majority of Swedes want to keep the Monarchy (59% in the last poll I find).

Where our 8 major parties stand on the issue:

The Far-Left and the Green party wanna abolish the monarchy regardless of what the people want.

The Conservatives, the Nationalists and the Christian Democrats on the other hand wanna keep the monarchy regardless of what the people want.

The Socialdemocrats think it is undemocratic to have a King/Queen but think it is up to the people to decide. If public support falls below 50% they want a national referendum.

The Liberals and Neoliberals say they oppose having a Head of State who inherits the role but they dont want to actively work for a referendum even if support drops below 50%. The most bland position. Which suits them

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They absolutely should abolish the monarchy yeah

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Stagmar posted...

Not officially. Both the UN and the US recognize 195 countries. I personally would also include Taiwan, but they dont.

They really can't do that, China would say that's a declaration of war

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Dathrowed1 posted...

They really can't do that, China would say that's a declaration of war

I hope we will recognize Taiwan soon.

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BalanceLost posted...

The arguement from Republicans is that it is undemocratic to give a person such a position with all the perks and money which comes with the title to someone based merely on who their parents are. A position you hold for life unless you choose to abdicate.

It is but monarchies in the past have fallen because the monarch abused its role. If the monarchy is functional and not undermining the right of its people to be free and independent otherwise, I think its not a problem.

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No, European monarchies have no power today and are just cool relics.

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Monarchs are useless at best and shouldnt exist.

Dathrowed1 posted...

They really can't do that, China would say that's a declaration of war

They say theyd say that, but would they really?

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Touch the King and I will kick your bloody ass to next month.

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Solid Sonic posted...

It is but monarchies in the past have fallen because the monarch abused its role. If the monarchy is functional and not undermining the right of its people to be free and independent otherwise, I think its not a problem.

Out of curiosity, how do you feel about members of a Royal family who dont have representative duties getting what is essentially a huge welfare check paid for by tax payers? While regular citizens need to fullfill many duties to get a MUCH smaller welfare payment if they fall on hard times?

The King removed his two youngest children and their spouses and kids from the Royal Household last year (which cancelled their money flow) but it was done since Riksdagen would have done it otherwise. But should they pay back the decades of free money retroactively?

Im not necessarily thinking they should but I wonder what others feel.

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I would say a single tax on whatever money they had from the royal family upon being severed should be levied but they shouldnt take the entire lot.

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There would be big costs and logistical issues to work out in order to change it.

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I just think it's really messed up that there's a citizen who literally gets to be immune in the eyes of the law.

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I'd say abolish it since royalty is an outdated concept and as others have stated, they're living off tax payer money. You don't really need a king if you can still make money off tours of the old palaces and whatnot.

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Yeah sure why not?
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Master_Bass posted...

I'd say abolish it since royalty is an outdated concept and as others have stated, they're living off tax payer money. You don't really need a king if you can still make money off tours of the old palaces and whatnot.

Will people be as interested in them without all the pomp and nonsense of royalty though?

I just don't see people caring nearly as much myself.

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Funkydog posted...

Will people be as interested in them without all the pomp and nonsense of royalty though?

I just don't see people caring nearly as much myself.

I still would be interested in seeing the architecture and history of the sites. You might be right that the general public wouldn't be, and the royals do bring in money I'll admit. I'm opposed to their very existence ideologically, though.

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Every country should abolish its monarchy. Makes me sad I'll probably never see it happen here in the UK.


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Master_Bass posted...

I still would be interested in seeing the architecture and history of the sites. You might be right that the general public wouldn't be, and the royals do bring in money I'll admit. I'm opposed to their very existence ideologically, though.

Same with ours in Britain. I really don't care for them and if they were abolished I'd happily celebrate it.

I do realise they bring a lot in for tourism and do a lot for diplomatic relations as well though. So I don't see them going anywhere as a result. I'm not sure how much of a role other countries royals play in this regard mind, but if they perform similar function then likely they'll continue to stay as well. If they don't serve any diplomatic functions, then I'd be tempted to say screw em.

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Death to all monarchies.

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I'm in favor of ending all monarchies, as they are little more than a means to enforce the idea of permanent class differences on an institutional level, but if the locals don't want to get rid of it I'm not going to make a fuss about it.

That being said, I will never understand commonwealth countries keeping the British monarchy. Way to have a time share head of state...?

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BalanceLost posted...

The arguement from Republicans is that it is undemocratic to give a person such a position with all the perks and money which comes with the title to someone based merely on who their parents are. A position you hold for life unless you choose to abdicate.

sounds like they are jealous

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K181 posted...

I'm in favor of ending all monarchies, as they are little more than a means to enforce the idea of permanent class differences on an institutional level,

This is the reason I'm in favour of ending them too.

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I just don't like they use up so much tax money.

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FF_Redux posted...

I just don't like they use up so much tax money.

What % of the tax money does the monarchy use?

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How much do they make for the country?

The British monacrchy is never going away because they are worth a lot more to the UK's economy than they cost.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

How much do they make for the country?

I cannot find an actual number. There are only guesses and estimates. Royalists point to the money generated from the Crown Princess wedding in 2010 which was a couple billion SEK but that is on the other hand a one time event. Royal weddings like that dont happen very often.

The apanage is 147 million SEK per year right now but!

Republicans have made a report which detail how the actual cost is 1.1 billion SEK each year with security, maintenance for the castles the Royals live in and so forth.

There is poor oversight on the actual cost and money generated. Which enables both Royalists and Republicans to post stuff which might be heavily biased. This is something which needs to be adressed imo. Since all other institutions have easily checkable budgets.

https://www.aftonbladet.se/debatt/a/MgkE7K/kungafamiljens-riktiga-kostnad-11-miljarder

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Yes, but only because the Swedish royal line is the offspring of filthy Bonapartians.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

Yes, but only because the Swedish royal line is the offspring of filthy Bonapartians.

Our Kings father and your Queens mother were siblings though which makes our Monarchs cousins. They are all related #incest

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Isn't SBAllen Swedish? Like 5% or something like that?
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BalanceLost posted...

There is poor oversight on the actual cost and money generated. Which enables both Royalists and Republicans to post stuff which might be heavily biased. This is something which needs to be adressed imo. Since all other institutions have easily checkable budgets.

Yeah just the very notion that the economic details aren't well reported is cause for major concern. If they are to exist then they are servants of the public and should be scrutinized as such.

Then again, these days we can't even find out which schools exist in Sweden so, you know :)

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Sounds like you need a good auditor in Sweden.

I know just the person
https://twitter.com/clairecmc
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Cornhuskers posted...

Sounds like you need a good auditor in Sweden.

I know just the person
https://twitter.com/clairecmc

:D

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don't ask ME

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