Poll of the Day > Don't get into cars near racist cops.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/us/kenosha-police-shooting-jacob-blake/index.html
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cop hater tag still accurate
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>cnn

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You know, entering a vehicle when the cops have their drawn on you, not showing where your hands are, and being a dangerous man being arrested for sexual assult, as well as not knowing what the hell is in the car, all while refusing to comply to the cops orders is totally not liable to get you shot?

Also this

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8660213/Video-shows-Jacob-Blake-brawling-cops-shot-Wisconsin-cops-placed-leave.html

TheWorstPoster posted...

You know, entering a vehicle when the cops have their drawn on you, not showing where your hands are, and being a dangerous man being arrested for sexual assult, as well as not knowing what the hell is in the car, all while refusing to comply to the cops orders is totally not liable to get you shot?

No, it isn't, because the only justification for a cop shooting someone is if the person in question is actively attempting to harm others. They had every opportunity to restrain or arrest him and chose to murder him instead.

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Gaawa_chan posted...

No, it isn't, because the only justification for a cop shooting someone is if the person in question is actively attempting to harm others.

Please explain to me what his intentions were when he was getting into a vehicle?

Was it to flee, was it to grab a gun, was it to try to ram the cops with?

Also:

TheWorstPoster posted... Also this

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8660213/Video-shows-Jacob-Blake-brawling-cops-shot-Wisconsin-cops-placed-leave.html

^None of those hypotheticals justifies lethal force *before* the suspect actually does it. Especially with children in the line of fire.

You don't seem to be grasping that the main problem with these cases is unjustified use of lethal force. That should be a last resort, not the go-to problem solver.

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keyblader1985 posted...

You don't seem to be grasping that the main problem with these cases is unjustified use of lethal force.

It is justified in his mind. He has that much disdain for those that he views as lesser, that he thinks different rules should be applied to them.

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He literally had no time to have done anything. He got in the car and immediately got shot. He probably didn't even have enough time to grab the steering wheel.
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

cop hater tag still accurate

boot licker tag still accurate

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Revelation34 posted...

He literally had no time to have done anything. He got in the car and immediately got shot. He probably didn't even have enough time to grab the steering wheel.

How exactly DO you know that he was grabbing the steering wheel, especially when he was actively fighting against the cops, and was tazed?

Had the cops not shot them, he would have very well MURDERED one of the cops.

Theres also the very real chance that a shot could have ricocheted off of something and hit one of his kids

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TheWorstPoster posted...

How exactly DO you know that he was grabbing the steering wheel, especially when he was actively fighting against the cops, and was tazed?

Had the cops not shot them, he would have very well MURDERED one of the cops.

You clearly did not even read my post.
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TheWorstPoster posted...

Please explain to me what his intentions were when he was getting into a vehicle?

Usually, people getting into the driver's seat of a vehicle do so with the intention of driving it somewhere, but I can understand why you might not get that on the first pass.

Gaawa_chan posted...

because the only justification for a cop shooting someone is if the person in question is actively attempting to harm others.

Most legal statutes in the US would argue that you're objectively wrong.

You could argue that it SHOULD be that way, or that the only moral justification is that, but legally speaking, there's a number of other conditions under which police are fully authorized to shoot.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

You could argue that it SHOULD be that way, or that the only moral justification is that

it was at this moment that PO discovered the Black Lives Matter movement

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Cops had every right to blast this no complaint criminal. Also CNN? Lmfao!

The footage was shown on tv here. Regardless of what occurred before, a cop pushed his gun against a suspect's back and shot 7 times.

That is not the kind of action a police officer should perform.

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_AdjI_ posted...

Usually, people getting into the driver's seat of a vehicle do so with the intention of driving it somewhere, but I can understand why you might not get that on the first pass.

He thinks people only use cars as weapons.
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Revelation34 posted...

He thinks people only use cars as weapons.

grew up on too much twisted metal and Mario kart

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

You could argue that it SHOULD be that way, or that the only moral justification is that, but legally speaking, there's a number of other conditions under which police are fully authorized to shoot.

Remember when that cop shot an entire family in a Costco because he fell down and it was okay

Also it's sad af that ICOYAR was literally always the most insane poster on PotD and yet has only become more radicalized as he's gotten older. And he's multiplied.

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In the video clip, an African American man walks around the front of a gray SUV with two officers a step or two behind him, one with his weapon trained on the man's back. As the Black man enters the driver side door of his car, the nearest officer grabs the tail of his tank top and seven shots are heard.

Race is irrelevant. I hate when the media point that out. It fits their narrative though so I get it. We have not much of a idea what went down here save for some guy got into his car when a cop had a gun on him. A altercation happened and he was shot. We could argue a toss if lethal force was justified but we simply don't know the situation.

""As always, the video currently circulating does not capture all the intricacies of a highly dynamic incident. We ask that you withhold from passing judgment until all the facts are known and released," said Pete Deates, president of the Kenosha Professional Police Association."

This is also true. Videos are often taken on phones out of context. Unless you have the whole thing on a video clip it could mean many things.

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This was released earlier today.

Blake had a knife in the car. With Blake being tased (and failing), assaulting the cops, and resisting arrest, he was going to, ALMOST CERTAINLY, if he was not shot, grab a knife and attack the officers that way, since he was leaning forward towards the ground as if to grab something, when he got shot.

He had a knife in the car, on the ground.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/2020/08/26 /jacob-blake-had-knife-car-but- otherwise-unarmed-tased-kenosha-officer-rusten-sheskey -shot-in-back/5639429002/

Tinyurl to the link above (since it exceeds the character limit)

https://tinyurl.com/y45rp8rg

TheWorstPoster posted...

This was released earlier today.

Blake had a knife in the car. With Blake being tased (and failing), assaulting the cops, and resisting arrest, he was going to, ALMOST CERTAINLY, if he was not shot, grab a knife and attack the officers that way, since he was leaning forward towards the ground as if to grab something, when he got shot.

He had a knife in the car, on the ground.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/2020/08/26 /jacob-blake-had-knife-car-but- otherwise-unarmed-tased-kenosha-officer-rusten-sheskey -shot-in-back/5639429002/

Tinyurl to the link above (since it exceeds the character limit)

https://tinyurl.com/y45rp8rg

"Blake walked around to the driver's side of his vehicle, opened the door, and "leaned forward."

He literally got in the car and got shot. If he was leaning forward the video would have shown it and he would have stumbled out of the car.
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TheWorstPoster posted...

Had the cops not shot them, he would have very well MURDERED one of the cops.

This could be used to justify anything. You aren't justified in murdering someone for what you imagine they might do if you don't murder them... And this is, as i stated elsewhere, completely ignoring that the cops had every opportunity to simply take him into custody instead.

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Dude also had knives at home. He very well could have been plotting to drive home, grab some knives, then return and attack the cops and innocents (or even his family).

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Gaawa_chan posted...

You aren't justified in murdering someone for what you imagine they might do if you don't murder them...

News just in. Self defence isn't justified. The cop should have waited until he was stabbed to shoot.... oh wait... he'd probably be dead.

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wwinterj25 posted...

News just in. Self defence isn't justified. The cop should have waited until he was stabbed to shoot.... oh wait... he'd probably be dead.

According to Antifa and BLM, cops aren't people.

TheWorstPoster posted...

According to Antifa and BLM, cops aren't people.

Backseat drivers are always experts. I've no idea what went on 100% here but cops have a job to do and from what we do know nothing suggests they did anything wrong. Whenever outrage happens I like to read actual facts. Most of these things that happen are justified because the person it happens to is a criminal. Of course it depends on what the crime is as to what actions should be taken but this seemed like a self defence thing on the cops side. Perhaps none lethal bullets should be used more but until then it is what it is.

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wwinterj25 posted...

News just in. Self defence isn't justified. The cop should have waited until he was stabbed to shoot.... oh wait... he'd probably be dead.

Defence against what

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Blightzkrieg posted...

Defence against what

Against a violent criminal that was tased (but failed), was fighting against the cops, and was resisting arrest, all while he refused to show his hands, and going into a vehicle to pick up a knife that was on the floor.

All while they had him at gunpoint.

TheWorstPoster posted...

Against a violent criminal that was tased (but failed), was fighting against the cops, and was resisting arrest, all while he refused to show his hands, and going into a vehicle to pick up a knife that was on the floor.

All while they had him at gunpoint.

You're not effectively making your case dude. Half of that isn't a threat and the other half is a lie.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

You're not effectively making your case dude. Half of that isn't a threat and the other half is a lie.

This is proof that you never clicked the link I have posted earlier in this thread.

TheWorstPoster posted...

This is proof that you never clicked the link I have posted earlier in this thread.

This isn't the gotcha you think it is. Maybe let the other racists talk for a bit?

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Blightzkrieg posted...

This isn't the gotcha you think it is. Maybe let the other racists talk for a bit?

What I am saying is not racism, but objective statements as to what happened, and what the consequences would have been had the cops not have shot at him.

TheWorstPoster posted...

What I am saying is not racism, but objective statements as to what happened, and what the consequences would have been had the cops not have shot at him.

So like facts, in some weird alternate reality where something completely different happened

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Blightzkrieg posted...

So like facts, in some weird alternate reality where something completely different happened

No.

Actual objective factual statements, as defined by the police report in the news article I have posted.

Or just don't powerwalk to your car as cops are pointing guns at you and have already tried to stop you with other means.

Cops still should have tackled him first I say, but yea. If you look at the video, the dude was clearly not just gunned down for being black like the media is trying to make you think.

As soon as the guy reached in his car, the shooting was 100% justified. Race has nothing to do with it. Cops probably could have tackled him yes, but the dude should have just listened instead of trying to grab his knife.

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SirPikachu posted...

Or just don't powerwalk to your car as cops are pointing guns at you and have already tried to stop you with other means.

Cops still should have tackled him first I say, but yea. If you look at the video, the dude was clearly not just gunned down for being black like the media is trying to make you think.

As soon as the guy reached in his car, the shooting was 100% justified. Race has nothing to do with it. Cops probably could have tackled him yes, but the dude should have just listened instead of trying to grab his knife.

Yeah he totally got into the car to grab a knife instead of just leaning over to grab the knife.

https://i.imgur.com/9z26TrH.png
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wwinterj25 posted...

Most of these things that happen are justified because the person it happens to is a criminal.

Murder doesn't stop being murder just because the victim has a record. Murder is defined based purely on the immediate circumstances of the killing. Invoking somebody's past to try and justify their murder is a terribly common strategy, but not one that holds any actual weight. It's technically not ad hominem because you aren't attacking the person making the argument, but it's logically fallacious for the same reasons ad hominem is.

TheWorstPoster posted...

Actual objective factual statements, as defined by the police report in the news article I have posted.

The police report that was filed by the officers that participated in the shooting and would generally prefer not to be charged with attempted murder/have such charges besmirching the reputation of their department? Yeah, I'm sure that's completely objective and not biased at all by damage control efforts/self-serving hindsight. It's definitely reasonable to treat that as the absolute truth and not take other accounts into consideration.

Blightzkrieg posted...

Defence against what

Whatever is deemed as self defence.

_AdjI_ posted...

Murder doesn't stop being murder just because the victim has a record.

Let me rephrase. The person committed a crime that justifies said action this by default became a criminal. Perhaps I should have been more clear.

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wwinterj25 posted...

News just in. Self defence isn't justified. The cop should have waited until he was stabbed to shoot.... oh wait... he'd probably be dead.

If i shoot you and say that i was defending myself because i imagined that you were going to attack me with a baseball bat, i would be a murderer.

If you threatened me with a baseball bat and i shot you, that would be self-defense.

FYI, someone who can't tell the difference between these scenarios should not have a firearm to begin with, let alone a job in law enforcement.

In case you haven't noticed, we don't live in the world of Minority Report.

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Gaawa_chan posted...

In case you haven't noticed, we don't live in the world of Minority Report.

You failed to put "if I were a cop" therefore your hypothetical post is void. Next time put more effort into your posts.


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wwinterj25 posted...

Whatever is deemed as self defence.

Let me rephrase. The person committed a crime that justifies said action this by default became a criminal. Perhaps I should have been more clear.

Shit I guess almost every human is a criminal since you think getting in a car is a crime.
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Apparently you're not supposed to comply with them, either:
https://mobile.twitter.com/coachMGM/status/1299033838459539457

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Revelation34 posted...

Shit I guess almost every human is a criminal since you think getting in a car is a crime.

Please don't comment on adult things.

Gaawa_chan posted...

-twitter post-

It's time to stop posting.

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