Current Events > Warren drops 10 points in another new poll.

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Biden 28% (+1)
Bernie 24% (+5)
Warren 11% (-10)
Bloomberg 8%
Yang 7% (+5)
Buttigieg 5% (-2)

Most of her supporters moving to Bernie and Yang.

https://twitter.com/bern_identity/status/1221300625775853570

https://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1210a2-2020-Democrats_rev1.pdf

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Why is Biden so high?

Are we seriously going to have to vote between Biden and Trump in November?

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It's a Bernie vs Biden race. No one else has a chance of being the democratic nominee. Everyone should accept that

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Hexenherz posted...

Why is Biden so high?

Black voters.

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Yang is killing it these days. Pete is on his way out, then Warren.

If Yang gets top 3 in Iowa it's a game changer

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Hexenherz posted...

Why is Biden so high?

Are we seriously going to have to vote between Biden and Trump in November?

hes an established candidate who had been VP, has decades of experience and no extreme views

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https://twitter.com/wideofthepost/status/1221447357826576385
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shockthemonkey posted...

I wish Warren would drop out and endorse Sanders.

Funny thing is, if he wins, he maybe would have chosen her for VP had she not tried that sexism bs.

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shockthemonkey posted...

I wish Warren would drop out and endorse Sanders.

Can she endorse him at this point?
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where is bloom getting all this support

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I was honestly questioning the political implications of endorsing someone you tried to label as a sexist in a desperate bid to outperform them politically just a month ago (or a couple of months depending on when she drops out).

As it is now Warren can in perpetuity claim that she was telling the truth about Bernie even if nobody believes her, there's no evidence to shut her claim down. If she suddenly endorses Bernie the clear implication is that she was lying, unless she makes some sort of statement that supporting sexism is okay as long as we defeat Trump. Either situation seems like a political yikes to me.
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Ugh these results are just further guaranteeing another Trump win.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

Can she endorse him at this point?

Has she apologized yet for falsely accusing him of sexism?

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you guys are all kind of dumb for making out warren to be some kind of monster when she's the next best candidate after bernie and she would probably be his VP choice

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SK8T3R215 posted...

Black voters.

No. It's the moderates. Bernie is leading with black voters now.

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Mecha Sonic posted...

you guys are all kind of dumb for making out warren to be some kind of monster when she's the next best candidate after bernie and she would probably be his VP choice

I think it's just that while somebody like Pete is obviously insincere and slimy, Warren on the face of it seems like a nice schoolteacher, so to find out somebody you think is a nice old lady is actually kinda slimy herself makes you dislike her more than had you never trusted her in the first place.

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idk what's she done that's slimy? other than the native american thing

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Mecha Sonic posted...

idk what's she done that's slimy? other than the native american thing

She attacked Bernie's narrative about her that he's been using for his ground crew.

Then just after that she disclosed [something he probably said but wasn't a big deal] and tried to swing it in her "pro-women" favor.

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COVxy posted...

She attacked Bernie's narrative about her that he's been using for his ground crew.

idk what that means

COVxy posted...

Then just after that she disclosed [something he probably said but wasn't a big deal] and tried to swing it in her "pro-women" favor.

it's very easy to say something's "not a big deal" if you're in a position of privilege and not part of the demo it affects

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Mecha Sonic posted...

idk what that means

His campaigners were trying to swing Warren voters by suggesting she's really only for the highly educated wealthy.

it's very easy to say something's "not a big deal" if you're in a position of privilege and not part of the demo it affects

I think most people would admit that women politicians face a whole different set of challenges than a male politician.

But I think the way the Bernie campaign dealt with both is pretty shitty. He could have just admitted both and apologized and/or explained and it would have gone over way better.

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Warren

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Biden leads because he does great with old people, who basically always show up to vote. He's also strong with black people, especially older black people(who happen to be a dominant voting demographic in South Carolina). However, Bernie typically is right on his heels, and does better with younger blacks.

Also, it should be mentioned they last polled in October, which is why Warren has such a huge drop: that was basically her high-water mark. She's been falling in the polls for the last three months, and it doesn't seem like she's done falling: failing to win Iowa or New Hampshire would be fatal for her(and Butt).

Mecha Sonic posted...

idk what's she done that's slimy? other than the native american thing

Bernie encouraged her to run in 2016. He said she could win. She didn't run because she didn't want to go up against the establishment. Challenging Hillary for the democratic nomination wasn't politically safe.

Bernie then only ran because Warren wouldn't. Now years later, she accuses him of saying a woman can't be president? After he's been her cheerleader for years AND campaigned for Hillary harder than he was obligated to.

It was a slimy move and she's paying for it in the polls. She had a chance, but she's letting the former Hillary campaign staffers run the show. It's not a surprise this backfired on her so quickly.

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Mecha Sonic posted...

idk what's she done that's slimy? other than the native american thing

She pushed a narrative that "bernie doesn't think a woman could BE president" and also knowingly with a microphone on challenged him about it.

She might be the sweet old lady she seems to be but at least her campaign if not herself is fine playing politically manipulative games and she just no longer seems trustworthy.

After Hillary "untrustworthy political gamesmanship mainstream politician woman" is something people are going to have a negative reaction to. Maybe she is a great person, I'm sure she's more trustworthy than hillary, but I don't think she seems trustworthy enough anymore for most voters.

Her mic'ed up challenging Bernie just felt like such a calculated political stunt.

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tbh bernie drew first blood with that exchange, he sold liz out before liz sold him out

also i have a post-graduate degree and i did $150k last year, and i'm for bernie not elizabeth, so the bit about only the highly educated wealthy being for elizabeth doesnt really hold up??

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Mecha Sonic posted...

tbh bernie drew first blood with that exchange, he sold liz out before liz sold him out

also i have a post-graduate degree and i did $150k last year, and i'm for bernie not elizabeth, so the bit about only the highly educated wealthy being for elizabeth doesnt really hold up??

No demographic is 100% anything, except maybe for black people against Pete.

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joe40001 posted...

She pushed a narrative that "bernie doesn't think a woman could BE president"

bernie pushed a narrative that elizabeth only cares about highly educated rich ppl and only highly educated rich ppl care about elizabeth

dirty politics is a two way street

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COVxy posted...

Then just after that she disclosed [something he probably said but wasn't a big deal] and tried to swing it in her "pro-women" favor.

Why do you think he probably said it? There's nothing in his long documented history that would point to him saying that.

Now if she claimed he said "A woman becoming president will be difficult", I think most people would agree and think that's believably something he said. However, that's not what she said.

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Mecha Sonic posted...

bernie pushed a narrative that elizabeth only cares about highly educated rich ppl and only highly educated rich ppl care about elizabeth

dirty politics is a two way street

Did he do it based on analysis of her statements and politics or did he make up a lie and attribute it to her to make her look like a piece of shit?
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Warren was my 1A and Sanders was my 1B but she seems to have derailed completely at this point and I will probably just vote for Sanders in the primary.

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Hexenherz posted...

Why is Biden so high?

Are we seriously going to have to vote between Biden and Trump in November?

The average American voter is mostly uninformed outside of major political events, and even then, not so much. They associate Biden with simply experience, and his association with the Obama administration. The logic is "well, he was the VP, so how could he mess up as bad as Trump?"

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DippinSauce posted...

Why do you think he probably said it?

how do you know he didn't?

were you in the room?

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DippinSauce posted...

Why do you think he probably said it? There's nothing in his long documented history that would point to him saying that.

Now if she claimed he said "A woman becoming president will be difficult", I think most people would agree and think that's believably something he said. However, that's not what she said.

Because it's not an unreasonable thing to say. Idk if a woman can win against Trump because it's so easy to swing a hardline woman politician as a cold bitch, or to roll over one if they don't show the machismo. It's exactly what happened to Hillary. I think there's an extremely sizable portion of the US that don't see women as leaders.

The extreme denial over a reasonable statement seems strange, unless you're worried it won't play well politically.

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Godnorgosh posted...

There's a significant difference in demographics of support between the two, though, it's silly to deny that

that's not the point. the point is, why draw first blood

dont start nothin wont be nothin

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Looks like bernie was right, lolololol

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Mecha Sonic posted...

how do you know he didn't?

were you in the room?

No shit, I wasn't in the room. Thing is the burden of proof should be on Warren. She made the accusation and then refused to delve into any detail on the matter. It hurt her so much yet she waits a whole year, right before that debate to bring it up? People were rightly skeptical.

Bernie's been touting that a woman could be president for decades. He was on the side of women when Warren was a republican who didn't want taxpayers money going towards abortion. She's the one who's commitment to women should be questioned. We actually have evidence of her true colors.

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Hexenherz posted...

Why is Biden so high?

Are we seriously going to have to vote between Biden and Trump in November?

biden is the autopilot candidate for people not paying attention to the primaries

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darkprince45 posted...

where is bloom getting all this support

He's the only one doing significant advertising on TV (that I've seen). That gets his message to a large audience.
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COVxy posted...

The extreme denial over a reasonable statement seems strange, unless you're worried it won't play well politically.

First off, it wasn't an extreme denial. He calmly said it wasn't true and didn't give the media vultures anything else to feed off. He knew exactly what Warren was trying after the debate with the mics on.

And does Bernie seem like a guy who's worried about what will play well politically? He likely has more enemies than anyone in the race, on both sides.

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Mecha Sonic posted...

that's not the point. the point is, why draw first blood

dont start nothin wont be nothin

Which is why I don't think she was behind the attack.

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DippinSauce posted...

No shit, I wasn't in the room.

if you weren't in the room then you can't say he didn't say it

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