Current Events > Rian Johnson must have hated TFA *Star Wars Spoilers*

(+) Yeah! (+)

Not since Chrono Cross has a sequel so deliberately tried to tear down everything people enjoyed about its predecessor. Its almost fascinating.

Kylo Ren worships Vader and the Sith ideology -> in one little outburst he abandons Vader and insists on killing the past

Snoke set up as a huge threat -> killed anticimactically

Kylo Ren needs to complete training -> zero training or growth in ability

Knights of Ren -> lolwho

Finn/Rey teasing -> completely separated for most of the movie, also theres a new love interest

Who are Reys parents -> literally nobody

What is the significance of Lukes old lightsaber. ->thrown in the ocean

Luke Skywalker found -> does nothing then dies

Im pretty sure the only plot thread that was legitimately followed up on and not trashed was Reys mysterious force potential, which is reference for like two minutes when she suddenly wants to check out a hole. (Junji Ito memes tho)

Regardless of opinion on whether the movie was actually good, its impressive how completely TLJ trashes on TFA <_>
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It was bad
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TFA was garbage so it's appropriate.

I watched the RLM review of it and it looks bad, like they show clips where Johnson is talking about how he wanted to completely throw everyone through a loop... and apparently he did, in the worst way possible.
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Hexenherz posted...

I watched the RLM review of it and it looks bad, like they show clips where Johnson is talking about how he wanted to completely throw everyone through a loop... and apparently he did, in the worst way possible.

I dont have a problem with Johnsons approach in theory. But, if youre going to do that, the payoff needs to be big.

What Johnson put in place just wasnt good/interesting enough to be worth throwing out Abrams toys, IMO.
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Now that Star Wars has more bad entries in the series than good ones, it's safe to say now that Star Wars is simply bad.

YonicBoom posted...

Now that Star Wars has more bad entries in the series than good ones, it's safe to say now that Star Wars is simply bad.

Unfortunately yes :(
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TLJ was trash
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I'm not exactly a huge fan but here goes:

Snoke set up as a huge threat -> killed anticimactically
Who are Reys parents -> literally nobody
What is the significance of Lukes old lightsaber. ->thrown in the ocean
Luke Skywalker found -> does nothing then dies

These were all good. I don't love that Luke failed the way he did with Kylo, but all these plot decisions were fine.

AlisLandale posted...

Finn/Rey teasing -> completely separated for most of the movie, also theres a new love interest

There was no Finn/Rey teasing. There was Kylo/Rey teasing, and TLJ went with that.

Kylo Ren worships Vader and the Sith ideology -> in one little outburst he abandons Vader and insists on killing the past
Kylo Ren needs to complete training -> zero training or growth in ability
Knights of Ren -> lolwho

These don't bother me at all.

Like, don't get me wrong, I thought the movie was pretty bad overall, but you just picked a lot of things that kind of salvaged the plot.
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That's how we're gonna win. Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love.

gamer167 posted...

That's how we're gonna win. Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love.

Literally the thesis of the entire saga

Did you skip Return of the Jedi?
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RebelElite791 posted...

gamer167 posted...

That's how we're gonna win. Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love.

Literally the thesis of the entire saga

Did you skip Return of the Jedi?

When people make fun of that line theyre making fun of the fact it was criticizing Finns actions, who was already doing that.

Also in a meta sense that same action taken by any other character would have been seen as heroic and noble.

And actually, thinking back on it, was Poe really saving anyone when he wasted like a third of the rebels to blow up that one ship? I guess you can argue it was good in hindsight but the movie sort of rewards Poe for that and then two hours later craps on Finn for just sacrificing himself lol
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I miss the days of the Clone Wars animated series
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AlisLandale posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

gamer167 posted...

That's how we're gonna win. Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love.

Literally the thesis of the entire saga

Did you skip Return of the Jedi?

When people make fun of that line theyre making fun of the fact it was criticizing Finns actions, who was already doing that.

Also in a meta sense that same action taken by any other character would have been seen as heroic and noble.

And actually, thinking back on it, was Poe really saving anyone when he wasted like a third of the rebels to blow up that one ship? I guess you can argue it was good in hindsight but the movie sort of rewards Poe for that and then two hours later craps on Finn for just sacrificing himself lol

Finn was throwing his life away for no reason. His suicide wouldnt have done anything
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Rose doomed everyone in the hangar by saving Finn.
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RebelElite791 posted...

AlisLandale posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

gamer167 posted...

That's how we're gonna win. Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love.

Literally the thesis of the entire saga

Did you skip Return of the Jedi?

When people make fun of that line theyre making fun of the fact it was criticizing Finns actions, who was already doing that.

Also in a meta sense that same action taken by any other character would have been seen as heroic and noble.

And actually, thinking back on it, was Poe really saving anyone when he wasted like a third of the rebels to blow up that one ship? I guess you can argue it was good in hindsight but the movie sort of rewards Poe for that and then two hours later craps on Finn for just sacrificing himself lol

Finn was throwing his life away for no reason. His suicide wouldnt have done anything

If he was successful he would have stopped that super laser and saved an entire base full of rebels.

If Rey and Luke hadnt intervened then Roses self righteousness would have killed everyone lol
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RebelElite791 posted...

Finn was throwing his life away for no reason. His suicide wouldnt have done anything

He thought he was gonna blow up their whole machine. Earlier in the movie, some general threw his life away for no reason by hyperspacing straight into the big enemy ship. There's a dissonance in how the movie treats these two very similar acts.
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Rose knew Finn for like an hour and she's already trying to fuck and making love declarations
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he didnt actually watch TFA iirc lol
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Luke leaves all kinds of hints as to where to find him......

Didnt want to be found.
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scar the 1 posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Finn was throwing his life away for no reason. His suicide wouldnt have done anything

He thought he was gonna blow up their whole machine. Earlier in the movie, some general threw his life away for no reason by hyperspacing straight into the big enemy ship. There's a dissonance in how the movie treats these two very similar acts.

The two arent even remotely comparable.

A large ship ramming another one at lightspeed and a dinky little speeder running into a giant cannon are two very different things

And uhh, the person who did the lightspeed ram was a woman (as tlj haters love to point out)
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AlisLandale posted...

Kylo Ren worships Vader and the Sith ideology -> in one little outburst he abandons Vader and insists on killing the past

He's been conflicted since killing his father and losing a battle to someone he thinks as being a nobody, which ties him up emotionally in all sort of knots about his legacy.

AlisLandale posted...

Snoke set up as a huge threat -> killed anticimactically

I don't think Snoke was even set up as a huge threat in TFA. He was presented as the "end boss", but not based on his actions as much as by his parallels with the Emperor.

AlisLandale posted...

Who are Reys parents -> literally nobody

This is a subversion. But I don't think it's a subversion that's outside the reasonable range of a sequel. Like I think Kasdan could have written it this way as well.

AlisLandale posted...

What is the significance of Lukes old lightsaber. ->thrown in the ocean

Isn't this the lightsaber Rey continues to use throughout the movie? And at the end becomes the "last lightsaber of the Jedi" essentially?

AlisLandale posted...

Luke Skywalker found -> does nothing then dies

This isn't even close to accurate.
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RebelElite791 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Finn was throwing his life away for no reason. His suicide wouldnt have done anything

He thought he was gonna blow up their whole machine. Earlier in the movie, some general threw his life away for no reason by hyperspacing straight into the big enemy ship. There's a dissonance in how the movie treats these two very similar acts.

The two arent even remotely comparable.

A large ship ramming another one at lightspeed and a dinky little speeder running into a giant cannon are two very different things

And uhh, the person who did the lightspeed ram was a woman (as tlj haters love to point out)

Sorry, forgot she was a woman. My bad.
They are comparable, though, in the sense that they're trying to achieve the same thing. Both pilots think that they have nothing left to lose and everything to win. Both hope to infer massive damage and thus buy time for the rest of the Resistance. Arguing that they're different because they were different vehicles going at different speeds is missing the forest for the trees. Both were similar sacrifices in what they sought to achieve as well as in how they assessed the situation.

(The hyper space sacrifice was extra stupid, though, since there should have been plenty of droids and ship AI smart enough to do that without a human sacrifice. That was pure Johnson trying to tug at the viewers' heart strings.)
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