Current Events > Columbus Day: Nobody except native americans have a legitimate right to US land.

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How did you vote and why?
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I didn't know Native Americans grew with the grass on the continent. They conquered tribes for land just like the Europeans conquered them.
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Deny, but I would say they should be respected more than types of Americans are willing to. Columbus day can go. History is history, you could say that about half the planet in some ways
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Confirm with a few caveats, Mexican people are native to the continent snd have a right to Texas, Oklahoma, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and California areas. And as they were brought here against their will, descendents of slaves all can have space here.
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When did Columbus step on US land? What did he specifically do for America that makes him more important than actual Americans that have done good? Killing and raping natives in the Caribbean? Getting thrown in prison? Being considered a rotten prick and being disowned by his own people?

The US should have official holidays for every explorer and conquistador that passed by the Americas if Columbus deserves one.
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hockeybub89 posted...

When did Columbus step on US land?

Never, but it is a discussion that gets brought up in connection with him for obvious reasons (Colonization efforts, genocide, etc)

How did you vote in the poll?
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JBaLLEN66 posted...

I didn't know Native Americans grew with the grass on the continent. They conquered tribes for land just like the Europeans conquered them.

That's not accurate. Most native tribes and society's didn't really have land based systems of wealth like Europeans did.

There was still warfare among tribes, but the majority of the conflicts, if not all of them, were not based on owning/conquering land.

It wasn't until Europeans came and started actively taking land that they began to adapt and "realized" the importance of land ownership, but by that point it was unfortunately kinda too late.
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Columbus was legit about 4/5 a Hitler.

Don't try to defend him.
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Native Americans originated from one spot in Africa just like everyone else

Ignoring the relatively modern systems of money and land ownership, they don't have any more of a right to the land than anyone else does.
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DrizztLink posted...

Columbus was legit about 4/5 a Hitler.

Don't try to defend him.

Only 9 posts in and we're already bringing up Hitler.

Da fuq is wrong with some of you guys?
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Ok.

Come and get it.
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gunplagirl posted...

Confirm with a few caveats, Mexican people are native to the continent snd have a right to Texas, Oklahoma, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and California areas. And as they were brought here against their will, descendents of slaves all can have space here.

The fuck are you talking about...Mexicans weren't brought from anywhere...they are from Mexico.

Alright TC, put your money where your mouth is. Give your home and all your possessions to a Native American family.

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

DrizztLink posted...

Columbus was legit about 4/5 a Hitler.

Don't try to defend him.

Only 9 posts in and we're already bringing up Hitler.

Da fuq is wrong with some of you guys?

People literally act like Colombus is somehow responsible for all the crimes of Spain. The Spanish govt. is who was at fault. Not like it absolves the conquerors in anyway, for some reason they need to point at a single guy. I mean the Spanish were some of the most savage people in that time frame, but why people only blame Colombus and act like he personally was raping and murdering all these natives is ridiculous. He was a guy hired to captain a ship.

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

DrizztLink posted...

Columbus was legit about 4/5 a Hitler.

Don't try to defend him.

Only 9 posts in and we're already bringing up Hitler.

Da fuq is wrong with some of you guys?

at least it wasn't a full hitler
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JBaLLEN66 posted...

I didn't know Native Americans grew with the grass on the continent. They conquered tribes for land just like the Europeans conquered them.

Ooooooh....yeah, facts like that conflict with the liberal narrative.

gunplagirl posted...

Confirm with a few caveats, Mexican people are native to the continent snd have a right to Texas, Oklahoma, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and California areas. And as they were brought here against their will, descendents of slaves all can have space here.

Seriously, please do some basic research.

What is a legitimate right to land? The natives were there first? What about land that the Navajo took from the Cherokee, do we give that back to the Cherokee or do we give that back to the Navajo?

If you were to go backwards in time about 400 years and ask the natives who had the right to the land, they'd tell you "everyone"

ownership of land is a concept that Europeans exported to them. they didn't believe in it.
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Deny

Might is Right
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Are liberals really still beating this drum? You've all but made Columbus Day irrelevant, most cities don't celebrate it anymore. You still gotta bring up this garbage every year though.

X-Pac_Heat posted...

Deny

Might is Right

Oh so now you're okay with screaming at Cruz while he's trying to eat at a restaurant until he leaves.
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It has been long enough that it's a non-issue. The violent acts of the settlers should never be viewed in a positive light, but it's ancient history in terms of the people living today. The past eventually has to be viewed as the past.

Im_JustMe0129 posted...

JBaLLEN66 posted...

I didn't know Native Americans grew with the grass on the continent. They conquered tribes for land just like the Europeans conquered them.

Ooooooh....yeah, facts like that conflict with the liberal narrative.

Literally all of the world has been conquered with different races, religions and ethnicity's taking turns. To say we need to go back 100's of years in the past and take away peoples property cause people who looked like them conquered a region is legit insane.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Oh so now you're okay with screaming at Cruz while he's trying to eat at a restaurant until he leaves.

Yeah, I'm also for every single one of those people getting tear gassed/tasered to hell by his security personnel.
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TheKentster posted...

Are liberals really still beating this drum? You've all but made Columbus Day irrelevant, most cities don't celebrate it anymore. You still gotta bring up this garbage every year though.

They also conveniently forget that not every Native American tribe was peaceful. Some of them viciously conquered and raped and pillaged other tribes. In the case of hostile tribes like that, I'd say that colonialism was karma.

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

DrizztLink posted...

Columbus was legit about 4/5 a Hitler.

Don't try to defend him.

Only 9 posts in and we're already bringing up Hitler.

Da fuq is wrong with some of you guys?

Yeah, Godwin's law.

The guy was a fucking monster.
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It's hard not to feed them.
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The natives came from China in the distant past anyway

Conquerors of the land have every right to the land. When that group gets their asses kicked by the next group of conquerors, then they lose their right to the land to the newcomers. So on and so forth for eternity.
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I'll never understand why people pretend like Native Americans were the only people ever conquered and forced off of land
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Solid Snake07 posted...

I'll never understand why people pretend like Native Americans were the only people ever conquered and forced off of land

Yeah, the Apache were monsters. So were dozens of tribes.

Does that make Columbus killing a mess of people ok?
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MARKINGRAM22 posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Confirm with a few caveats, Mexican people are native to the continent snd have a right to Texas, Oklahoma, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and California areas. And as they were brought here against their will, descendents of slaves all can have space here.

The fuck are you talking about...Mexicans weren't brought from anywhere...they are from Mexico.

MARKINGRAM22 posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Confirm with a few caveats, Mexican people are native to the continent snd have a right to Texas, Oklahoma, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and California areas. And as they were brought here against their will, descendents of slaves all can have space here.

Seriously, please do some basic research.

lel, replying to the same post twice. Someones triggered.

Also you do realize that most of those states were a part of Mexico before we moved the border south, right?

You should be the one to do your basic research rofl
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Also you do realize that most of those states were a part of Mexico before we moved the border south, right?

You should be the one to do your basic research rofl

...wat
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It's not even about right to US soil, it's the fact that treaties and agreements were broken and the action taken was tantamount to genocide. What we should be argue over is how we move forward and how we, as North American countries, can find a way to co-exist with a people who were on the receiving end of not only physical genocide, but also cultural genocide.

DrizztLink posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Also you do realize that most of those states were a part of Mexico before we moved the border south, right?

You should be the one to do your basic research rofl

...wat

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Cession

How do people not know this.

Like do people think a bunch of California towns are Spanish names as a joke?
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MARKINGRAM22 posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Confirm with a few caveats, Mexican people are native to the continent snd have a right to Texas, Oklahoma, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and California areas. And as they were brought here against their will, descendents of slaves all can have space here.

The fuck are you talking about...Mexicans weren't brought from anywhere...they are from Mexico.

The "and as they were brought here" part was expanded upon in the same sentence, referring to descendents of slaves.

And the preceding sentence acknowledged Mexicans are natives to the continent.

So uhhhh, I take it you don't read at a high school level...?
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Im_JustMe0129 posted...

TheKentster posted...

Are liberals really still beating this drum? You've all but made Columbus Day irrelevant, most cities don't celebrate it anymore. You still gotta bring up this garbage every year though.

They also conveniently forget that not every Native American tribe was peaceful. Some of them viciously conquered and raped and pillaged other tribes. In the case of hostile tribes like that, I'd say that colonialism was karma.

"Hey some tribes murdered and raped so it's okay that people from a different continent came and killed and raped you and they didn't get punished for it"

X-Pac_Heat posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Oh so now you're okay with screaming at Cruz while he's trying to eat at a restaurant until he leaves.

Yeah, I'm also for every single one of those people getting tear gassed/tasered to hell by his security personnel.

And in that case you'd also be okay with the security getting taken out in self defense for an unmerited escalation of force on behalf of the security?
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they have more right than we do
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Paragon21XX posted...

Conquerors of the land have every right to the land. When that group gets their asses kicked by the next group of conquerors, then they lose their right to the land to the newcomers. So on and so forth for eternity.

You say that now but if someone beat you up and robbed you you'll cry to the police, huh?
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gunplagirl posted...

Paragon21XX posted...

Conquerors of the land have every right to the land. When that group gets their asses kicked by the next group of conquerors, then they lose their right to the land to the newcomers. So on and so forth for eternity.

You say that now but if someone beat you up and robbed you you'll cry to the police, huh?

Nothing wrong with calling upon allies when their aid is needed.
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Paragon21XX posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Paragon21XX posted...

Conquerors of the land have every right to the land. When that group gets their asses kicked by the next group of conquerors, then they lose their right to the land to the newcomers. So on and so forth for eternity.

You say that now but if someone beat you up and robbed you you'll cry to the police, huh?

Nothing wrong with calling upon allies when their aid is needed.

No take backs. Might makes right.
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The critical point in world history is Columbus landing here. I don't think it should ever be forgotten, in his days any voyage could of been his last and he took many back and forth from here.
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WafflehouseJK posted...

JBaLLEN66 posted...

I didn't know Native Americans grew with the grass on the continent. They conquered tribes for land just like the Europeans conquered them.

That's not accurate. Most native tribes and society's didn't really have land based systems of wealth like Europeans did.

There was still warfare among tribes, but the majority of the conflicts, if not all of them, were not based on owning/conquering land.

It wasn't until Europeans came and started actively taking land that they began to adapt and "realized" the importance of land ownership, but by that point it was unfortunately kinda too late.

Iroquois, Aztecs, Incas, even the Cherokee have Iroquoian roots
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Paragon21XX posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Paragon21XX posted...

Conquerors of the land have every right to the land. When that group gets their asses kicked by the next group of conquerors, then they lose their right to the land to the newcomers. So on and so forth for eternity.

You say that now but if someone beat you up and robbed you you'll cry to the police, huh?

Nothing wrong with calling upon allies when their aid is needed.

But you'll have already lost and therefore the possessions will be forfeit. To reclaim them, not by your own force but the force of others would ultimately render possession of your stolen items to the police which in turn only further distances you from any legitimate claim to them. Basically? Might makes right.
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Confirm. But legitimate right to land is a meaningless thing
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As a Native American I don't care if other people live on the continent at this point.
Just keep making funny pet videos I can laugh at and don't shit in my Cocoa Puffs.

Thanks.


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Columbus Day shouldn't exist anymore on a modern capacity. But if I had to vote, still deny because Native Americans essentially lost their land. A lot of people lose their land and migrate or conquer new land throughout history. Having come from Asia and its ridiculous history of land swapping throughout millennia, I think Native Americans are treated much better in general than some other races of people who have been chased out of their land. I guess we should be glad to not be in a time period of constant warfare for the sake of land rights
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